Installation on two PC

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Bruce said:
As it has *always* been with *all* Microsoft operating systems,
it's necessary (to be in compliance with both the EULA and copyright
laws, if not technically) to purchase one WinXP license for each
computer on which it is installed. The only way in which WinXP
licensing differs from that of earlier versions of Windows is that
Microsoft has finally added a copy protection and anti-theft
mechanism, Product Activation, to prevent (or at least make more
difficult) multiple installations using a single license.
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Just ask the DoucheBag to quote you the exact copyright laws he's
talking about. He'll either ignore you or avoid coming up with a real
law like it was the effin' plague!

http://groups.google.com/groups?as_...oe=UTF-8&as_uauthors=Bruce Chambers&lr=&hl=en

After saying the same exact thing a few hundred times, you'd think he be
able to back up those words like a real man, not run away from them like
the frightened little MicroMouse that he really has proven to be!

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The EULA factualy exists, just like the Flat Earth Society's web pages.
MS's post-purchase shrinkwrap license usage terms have yet to be proven
to be legally enforceable on any anonymous, private, and non-commercial
individual.
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The fact is they are there so, and a court need not decide their
validity, you good concious can..
When a court creates the legal precedent that some corporate copyright
owners rights out-weight my rights in my home, let us all know, but
until then, MS's EULA usage terms are nothing more than a modern fable.
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Why does it have to be until someone gets sued for violating the EULA?
Why violate the EULA and risk becoming the "test" case? Why don't you
become the test case yourself?
 
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People don't buy shrinkwrap licenses, they buy copies of copyrighted
software. As for rights:
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With that install media is rights they have purchased, and with copies
of MS operating systems, that includes a license to install it on one
machine. That is on the exterior of the box, easily visible.
 
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Gary said:
With that install media is rights they have purchased, and with copies
of MS operating systems, that includes a license to install it on one
machine. That is on the exterior of the box, easily visible.
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There is no legal precedent that validates a corporation enforcing
post-purchase shrinkwrap usage terms on any individual for private
non-commercial use. Until they is either a law or court decision that
lays down this precedent, MS's & your supposition about the legal
enforceability of MS's EULA usage terms on private individuals is
nothing more than sheer fantasy.

Notice you didn't come back with any law or court decision to back up
your's & MS's shared fantasy.

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Gary said:
The fact is they are there so, and a court need not decide their
validity, you good concious can..
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Actually, you are wrong. Any contract terms can be legally broken, then
if the other party disagrees, their only legal option to enforce those
allegedly broken terms, is to convince a judge to enforce them. If you
don't enforce them, then you it's just too bad for you. MS has
knowingly let private individuals to break their EULA usage terms
without ever trying to legally enforce them for over a decade. They are
like the boy who cries "wolf." The cry "One Computer" over & over
again, but have never legally proven that they have the right to enforce
those terms on any private individual, so after over a decade of their
cries, nobody believes MS.

Look at SCO. They are suing IBM for breaking their licensing terms for
UNIX. Should we all believe SCO legal claims about their Unix license
with IBM before a court rules that their claims are truely legally
enforceable?
Why does it have to be until someone gets sued for violating the EULA?
Why violate the EULA and risk becoming the "test" case? Why don't you
become the test case yourself?
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I tried over a couple of years ago by announcing to MS that I broke
their One Computer terms, and I'm still waiting. When MS has the balls
to try to legally enforce their EULA fantasy in a real court of law, AND
convinces a judge to enforce them on anonymous, private, &
non-commercial individuals, then I will be convinced, until then, MS's
EULA usage terms have absolutely no bearing in my home.

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By the act of scrolling this post on your computer, and/or printing or
replying to this post, you agree that I am your everlasting Lord &
Saviour. Breach of this term will result in you burning in hell for
ever and ever! Amen!"



There is no legal precedent that validates a corporation enforcing
post-purchase shrinkwrap usage terms on any individual for private
non-commercial use. Until they is either a law or court decision that
lays down this precedent, MS's & your supposition about the legal
enforceability of MS's EULA usage terms on private individuals is
nothing more than sheer fantasy.
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And there is no precident which invalidates MS' rights.
 
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Gary said:
And there is no precident which invalidates MS' rights.
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"Any individual may reproduce a copyrighted work for a "fair use"; the
copyright owner does not possess the exclusive right to such a use." -
US Supreme Court

Prehaps you missed it the first time.

Still waiting for you to come up with something other than MS's words to
back up your nonsense.

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ever and ever! Amen!"



"Any individual may reproduce a copyrighted work for a "fair use"; the
copyright owner does not possess the exclusive right to such a use." -
US Supreme Court

Prehaps you missed it the first time.


Still waiting for you to come up with something other than MS's words
to back up your nonsense.
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"Fair Use" does not mean complete duplication of the original work,
Moron. "Fair Use" has very strict limitations. Try reading the whole
section on Copyrights and "Fair Use", rather then just the parts that
you THINK support your arguement.

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boy this guy sure has a grudge and a hatred for Microsoft. Maybe he is a
disgruntled fired employee.
 
"By the act of scrolling this post on your computer, and/or printing or
replying to this post, you agree that I am your everlasting Lord &
Saviour. Breach of this term will result in you burning in hell for
ever and ever! Amen!"
"Fair Use" does not mean complete duplication of the original work,
Moron. "Fair Use" has very strict limitations. Try reading the whole
section on Copyrights and "Fair Use", rather then just the parts that
you THINK support your arguement.
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I have, and it doesn't even mention private home use. That has been
defined by the courts. And they have alowed complete duplication by
indivduals of copyrighted works. That's why it's legal to copy an
entire music CD, or videotape an entire TV program. Software is just
another copyrighted work and Congress even wrote a law to allow the
entire duplication of a computer program.

Title 17, Chapter 1, Section 117. - Limitations on exclusive rights:
Computer programs

(a) Making of Additional Copy or Adaptation by Owner of Copy. -
Notwithstanding the provisions of section 106, it is not an infringement
for the owner of a copy of a computer program to make or authorize the
making of another copy or adaptation of that computer program provided:

(1) that such a new copy or adaptation is created as an essential step
in the utilization of the computer program in conjunction with a machine
and that it is used in no other manner, or

(2) that such new copy or adaptation is for archival purposes only and
that all archival copies are destroyed in the event that continued
possession of the computer program should cease to be rightful.

The following is a translation of Section 117 (a) from the legalese
using MS's own definitions:

Title 17 Chapter 1 Section 117. - Limitations on the exclusive rights of
Copyright Owners: Computer programs

(a) Making of Additional Installation by the Owner of a Copy of
Software. - It is not infringement for the owner of a copy of software
to make another installation provided:

(1) that such a new installation is made as a necessary step in making
use of the software together with a previously unknown computer and that
it is used in no other manner, or

"(2) that such new copy or adaptation is for archival purposes only and
that all archival copies are destroyed in the event that continued
possession of the computer program should cease to be rightful"

Installation -
http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/features/dictionary/DictionaryResults.aspx?search=adaptation

made -
http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/features/dictionary/DictionaryResults.aspx?search=created

necessary -
http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/features/dictionary/DictionaryResults.aspx?search=essential

making use -
http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/features/dictionary/DictionaryResults.aspx?search=utilize

together with -
http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/features/dictionary/DictionaryResults.aspx?search=conjunction

a previously unknown -
http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/features/dictionary/DictionaryResults.aspx?refid=1861582871

or -
http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/features/dictionary/DictionaryResults.aspx?search=or

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William said:
boy this guy sure has a grudge and a hatred for Microsoft. Maybe he
is a disgruntled fired employee.
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Did I say I hate MS? Instead of coming up with your own uneducated
guesses about me, why don't you just ask me?

I am a former customer of MS products, that doesn't believe the words of
a convicted predatory monopolist are true without any proof to back them
up.

You have every right to believe MS's words on nothing more than faith,
just like the rest of MicroFundamentalists around here. Every religion
needs "True Believers!"

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On Tue, 9 Dec 2003 17:50:26 -0500, "kurttrail"


In short, you have the right to back up the original media,
or duplicate the contents of the provided physical better use the
media to install it, IMO, within the confined of the license
prescribed by the copyright holder.
 
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Gary said:
On Tue, 9 Dec 2003 17:50:26 -0500, "kurttrail"


In short, you have the right to back up the original media,
or duplicate the contents of the provided physical better use the
media to install it, IMO, within the confined of the license
prescribed by the copyright holder.
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WOW! And what words in Section 117 can be define to come up with that
fairy tale.

I use MS's own definitions of the words. I added nothing to my
translation from the legalese that wasn't already there in those
definitions.

Only part (2) covers backup up copies, and it is prefaced by the word
"or." So that doesn't mean that (1) _and_ (2) must both be met in order
to be able to legally infringe, it means that either can legally
infringe using condition (1) _or_ (2).

But go ahead, make up some more BS to fool yourself into believing the
utter nonsense you dreamed up out of thin air.

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(2) that such new copy or adaptation is for archival purposes only and
that all archival copies are destroyed in the event that continued
possession of the computer program should cease to be rightful.
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Are you blind to this section? Or, Are you just too stupid to
understand it. "For Archival purposes ONLY" Installing a working copy
one more then one machine is Not an Archival Purpose.

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Graphic violence is advised"

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By the act of scrolling this post on your computer, and/or printing or
replying to this post, you agree that I am your everlasting Lord &
Saviour. Breach of this term will result in you burning in hell for
ever and ever! Amen!"
Are you blind to this section? Or, Are you just too stupid to
understand it. "For Archival purposes ONLY" Installing a working copy
one more then one machine is Not an Archival Purpose.
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Only part (2) covers backup up copies, and it is prefaced by the word
'or.' So that doesn't mean that (1) _AND_ (2) must both be met in order
to be able to legally infringe, it means that either (1) _OR_ (2) can be
used to legally
infringe.

How many effin' times do I have to explain the difference between _AND_
& _OR_ to you, OR are you just too stupid to ever comprehend the
difference between the two?

The next time you bring up this stupidity, I'm really am not gonna show
you any mercy!

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