Installation from Vista upgrade disc

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Joe Grover

Quick question: Does the Vista Home retail upgrade disc support
installation on a computer that does not have XP installed, just providing
the XP installation CD when necessary for proof of previous ownership (like
previous versions of Windows)? Thanks.
 
J

Jane C

Hello Joe,

An upgrade edition must be started from the desktop of the qualifying
operating system, ie from the XP desktop.
 
C

Carey Frisch [MVP]

Make sure you have Windows XP w/Service Pack 2 installed before
you upgrade a computer running Windows XP to Windows Vista.
If you have an upgrade copy of the 32-bit version of Windows Vista,
you must start Windows installation while running your existing version of Windows.

How to Install or Reinstall Windows Vista
http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/Windows/en-US/Help/e77344fa-e978-464c-953e-eba44f0522671033.mspx

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Carey Frisch
Microsoft MVP
Windows - Shell/User

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:

Quick question: Does the Vista Home retail upgrade disc support
installation on a computer that does not have XP installed, just providing
the XP installation CD when necessary for proof of previous ownership (like
previous versions of Windows)? Thanks.
 
D

David B.

Yes it does, and you don't need to provide your XP disk at all, the catch is
you have to install Vista twice. A Google search will yield instructions on
how to do it.
 
R

Rick Rogers

Hi Joe,

No, it doesn't. This is a change from previous upgrade patterns. Now the
upgrade key will only work if the installation is started from within a
running, qualifying OS. You can still choose a custom install from there and
create a new installation, but Win2000 or XP must be loaded and running.

There is also a well-known workaround that involves loading the OS twice,
once without and then with the product key, but this is a) a lengthy step as
you might just as well load the qualifying OS first then anyways and b)
outside the terms of the license agreement as the upgrade license is
designed to incorporate the license of the upgraded OS.

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Best of Luck,

Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP

Windows help - www.rickrogers.org
My thoughts http://rick-mvp.blogspot.com
 
C

Carey Frisch [MVP]

Wrong. The Microsoft product activation servers have
been reprogrammed to not activate an upgrade Vista license
unless the qualifying Windows license is also present.

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Carey Frisch
Microsoft MVP
Windows - Shell/User

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Yes it does, and you don't need to provide your XP disk at all, the catch is
you have to install Vista twice. A Google search will yield instructions on
how to do it.
 
J

Joe Grover

Ok, thanks for the responses everyone, it's exactly what I needed to know.
I was wondering because a co-worker is having problems with Neverwinter
Nights 2 saved games (he saves the game and it says it's successful, but
won't show that game when he goes to load a saved game). This problem
started when he upgraded to Vista. I have Vista on a test box in the lab so
I threw it on there and it worked fine (didn't have to worry about running
as administrator or anything; just installed it and it worked like a charm).
The only thing I could think of was that this box came with Vista
pre-installed and his was upgraded, so he was wondering if he could reload
without doing the upgrade. I knew that prior versions supported it but
remember seeing things in the vista.general group about people doing the
"install twice" method so wanted to be sure.

Thanks again for your responses.

Joe
 
M

Malke

Carey said:
Wrong. The Microsoft product activation servers have
been reprogrammed to not activate an upgrade Vista license
unless the qualifying Windows license is also present.
Click to expand...

Carey, I understand that you like to support Microsoft and we all agree
that piracy is bad. But we're here to provide true information to
posters and the above is incorrect. The workaround of installing the
upgrade twice works and has no difficulties in activating. Whether this
is something the OP wants to do is up to him.


Malke
 
C

Carey Frisch [MVP]

According to the Microsoft Windows licensing team,
a Windows Vista upgrade license will only activate
if the qualifying Windows license (i.e. Windows XP)
license is also integrated into the Windows Vista
upgrade license, thus creating a whole, compliant license.
This can only occur if the qualifying
Windows XP operating system was installed prior
to upgrading to Windows Vista or performing a
clean install of Windows Vista.

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Carey Frisch
Microsoft MVP
Windows - Shell/User

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Malke said:
Wrong. The Microsoft product activation servers have
been reprogrammed to not activate an upgrade Vista license
unless the qualifying Windows license is also present.
Click to expand...

Carey, I understand that you like to support Microsoft and we all agree
that piracy is bad. But we're here to provide true information to
posters and the above is incorrect. The workaround of installing the
upgrade twice works and has no difficulties in activating. Whether this
is something the OP wants to do is up to him.


Malke
 
D

David B.

If this is the case, and Carey is blatantly lying, I would be unimpressed to
say the least, not what one would expect from an MVP, regardless of their
motives.
Any future advise from Carey would be highly suspect.
 
C

Carey Frisch [MVP]

Please read paragraph "c" of the Windows Vista licensing agreement which states:

"If, after a validation check, the software is found not to be properly licensed, the functionality of
the software may be affected."


The software will from time to time validate the software, update or require download of the
validation feature of the software. Validation verifies that the software has been activated and
is properly licensed. Validation also permits you to use certain features of the software or to
obtain additional benefits. For more information, see
http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?linkid=39157 .

b. During a validation check, the software will send information about the software and the device
to Microsoft. This information includes the version and product key of the software, and the
Internet protocol address of the device. Microsoft does not use the information to identify or
contact you. By using the software, you consent to the transmission of this information. For
more information about validation and what is sent during a validation check, see
http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?linkid=69500.

c. If, after a validation check, the software is found not to be properly licensed, the functionality of
the software may be affected. For example, you may
· need to reactivate the software, or
· receive reminders to obtain a properly licensed copy of the software,
or you may not be able to
· use or continue to use some of the features of the software, or
· obtain certain updates or upgrades from Microsoft.

Ref: http://download.microsoft.com/docum...lish_36d0fe99-75e4-4875-8153-889cf5105718.pdf

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Carey Frisch
Microsoft MVP
Windows - Shell/User

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If this is the case, and Carey is blatantly lying, I would be unimpressed to
say the least, not what one would expect from an MVP, regardless of their
motives.
Any future advise from Carey would be highly suspect.
 
C

Carey Frisch [MVP]

You'll soon receive a non-genuine notice when the
WGA notification tool is installed.

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Carey Frisch
Microsoft MVP
Windows - Shell/User

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And as my VM install just successfully activated using the 2 install
procedure, it is 100% obvious that YOU are wrong.

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D

David B.

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Carey Frisch [MVP]

What is seemingly technically feasible and legally ethical are two different subjects.
Like I said, eventually your "upgrade" only license will be flagged as
"non-genuine". I do not promote licensing workarounds that will eventually
result in a "non-genuine" issue in the future.

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Microsoft MVP
Windows - Shell/User

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I'll take you non reply as an indication that you figured out you were
wrong.

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