Increase gain in Linksys dd-wrt repeater


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freejazz

Hi, i have the Linksys in subject with my dd-wrt installed. I
activated Repeater function and works fine. Then i tried to take
the tx power to 2000mW and i attached an Alfa antenna mod. APA
M04 with only scotch tape and the signals i received from outside
are more strong.
Now i would want increase the gain to receive and which antenna do
you suggest me....that i can plug in router connector as well...
:lol:

I tried an Alfa AWUS036H with my notebook but i noticed many
issues to receive station or to switch the router feature...and
the notebook should be turned on as well.
Any suggestion??
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GlowingBlueMist

Hi, i have the Linksys in subject with my dd-wrt installed. I
activated Repeater function and works fine. Then i tried to take
the tx power to 2000mW and i attached an Alfa antenna mod. APA
M04 with only scotch tape and the signals i received from outside
are more strong.
Now i would want increase the gain to receive and which antenna do
you suggest me....that i can plug in router connector as well...
:lol:

I tried an Alfa AWUS036H with my notebook but i noticed many
issues to receive station or to switch the router feature...and
the notebook should be turned on as well.
Any suggestion??
Not able to answer your actual question, but wanted to mention, if you
raise the transmitter power level higher than the default setting in
DD-WRT you may need to include a cooling fan. Without a fan it might
work for days or possibly weeks but it will usually fry when you need to
use it the most.

Usually the default power setting given was the factories method of
keeping the unit working without needing a fan to keep from overheating
the transmitter.
 
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Paul

GlowingBlueMist said:
Not able to answer your actual question, but wanted to mention, if you
raise the transmitter power level higher than the default setting in
DD-WRT you may need to include a cooling fan. Without a fan it might
work for days or possibly weeks but it will usually fry when you need to
use it the most.

Usually the default power setting given was the factories method of
keeping the unit working without needing a fan to keep from overheating
the transmitter.
There are apparently "Fake" Alfa products as well as real ones.
Check to make sure the Alfa is a real one. This is the internals
of AWUS036H compared to a Chinese "fake".

http://ts3.mm.bing.net/th?id=HN.607990270876844962&pid=15.1&P=0

And if you need an antenna, go big like these guys. I'm sure
their EIRP is not in violation of the unlicensed spectrum
usage rules :) Yagi and parabolic antennas are available in
the 22dBi to 30dBi region, but they have a beamwidth of 6 degrees
and are difficult to point properly. Microwave repeater systems
are like that too, hard to point properly, and when the wind blows,
the antenna can be twisted off-axis causing signal loss. Too much
antenna gain is not a good thing, because of the directional
aspects.

http://wireless.ictp.it/school_2006/lectures/Rob/diy-antennas/pix/shootout.jpg

Paul
 
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freejazz

GlowingBlueMist said:
Not able to answer your actual question, but wanted to mention, if you
raise the transmitter power level higher than the default setting in
DD-WRT you may need to include a cooling fan. Without a fan it might
work for days or possibly weeks but it will usually fry when you need to
use it the most.

Usually the default power setting given was the factories method of
keeping the unit working without needing a fan to keep from overheating
the transmitter.
Thank you so much for your informations.
This is first time i use this product with modified firmware. I'll
read more to know better.
I wonder if there is a proper model fan for this well-known
product with its modifies.

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'zaFo'!
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freejazz

Paul said:
There are apparently "Fake" Alfa products as well as real ones.
Check to make sure the Alfa is a real one. This is the internals
of AWUS036H compared to a Chinese "fake".

http://ts3.mm.bing.net/th?id=HN.607990270876844962&pid=15.1&P=0
Is the fake is on the right?
I have just bought an Awus036nhr v2 and seller gas guaranteed me
to be an original one.
It seems that the hologram is not enought to certicate the
original product. Only one way is to ask to Alfa manufacturer
confirm for that serial no. and mac.
I used an AWUS036H for few day but o had very disappointing
results although i have the hologram.
I cannot open device because tomorrow I will send back it to seller.
And if you need an antenna, go big like these guys. I'm sure
their EIRP is not in violation of the unlicensed spectrum
usage rules :) Yagi and parabolic antennas are available in
the 22dBi to 30dBi region, but they have a beamwidth of 6 degrees
and are difficult to point properly. Microwave repeater systems
are like that too, hard to point properly, and when the wind blows,
the antenna can be twisted off-axis causing signal loss. Too much
antenna gain is not a good thing, because of the directional
aspects.

http://wireless.ictp.it/school_2006/lectures/Rob/diy-antennas/pix/shootout.jpg

Paul
Yeah. Thanks Paul.
Then you should find a good quality directional antenna as well
although all things you said are true.
However for these operative conditions once you point properly the
antenna i thing that is only solution to gain signals from one
station and meanwhile attenuate disturbs from other directions.
 
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freejazz

Paul said:
There are apparently "Fake" Alfa products as well as real ones.
Check to make sure the Alfa is a real one. This is the internals
of AWUS036H compared to a Chinese "fake".

http://ts3.mm.bing.net/th?id=HN.607990270876844962&pid=15.1&P=0
Is the fake is on the right?
I have just bought an Awus036nhr v2 and seller gas guaranteed me
to be an original one.
It seems that the hologram is not enought to certicate the
original product. Only one way is to ask to Alfa manufacturer
confirm for that serial no. and mac.
I used an AWUS036H for few day but o had very disappointing
results although i have the hologram.
I cannot open device because tomorrow I will send back it to seller.
And if you need an antenna, go big like these guys. I'm sure
their EIRP is not in violation of the unlicensed spectrum
usage rules :) Yagi and parabolic antennas are available in
the 22dBi to 30dBi region, but they have a beamwidth of 6 degrees
and are difficult to point properly. Microwave repeater systems
are like that too, hard to point properly, and when the wind blows,
the antenna can be twisted off-axis causing signal loss. Too much
antenna gain is not a good thing, because of the directional
aspects.

http://wireless.ictp.it/school_2006/lectures/Rob/diy-antennas/pix/shootout.jpg

Paul
Yeah. Thanks Paul.
Then you should find a good quality directional antenna as well
although all things you said are true.
However for these operative conditions once you point properly the
antenna i thing that is only solution to gain signals from one
station and meanwhile attenuate disturbs from other directions.
 
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Paul

freejazz said:
If anything blocking firmly the antenna..
Any suggestions about some kinds of tested and known antennas?
Purchase an antenna locally. Look for something
with relatively solid construction.

The thing is, for 2.4GHz operation, the antenna requirements
are not as difficult to meet as for a TV antenna (which is a
broadband device working on more than one band). If you look
at the Yagi antennas for Wifi, the element length and spacing
seems to be almost the same for all elements. Even if the
manufacturer cannot saw the elements off to the correct length,
the antenna will still have tremendous gain. If it says 30dBi,
you're likely to get at least 15dBi from it, even if it is
built by purely incompetent people.

The only thing to watch for, is "Pringles Can antenna" or
Cantenna. It is possible to make those work, but some
of the plans on the Internet for those, have wrong dimensions.

Antenna designers on the Internet, use programs like 4NEC2 to
verify antenna designs, and predict performance. I don't think
4NEC2 would necessarily be the best program for verifying
the dimensions on a Cantenna, but you need to find a
design which has been verified by an expert, before wasting
time on such a thing.

Even the BestBuy has Wifi antennas, well hidden on their
web page. That's a 24dBi TP-Link antenna. The connector on
the end won't be the one needed, and tracking down an
adapter cable solution will also be a chore.

http://www.bestbuy.ca/en-CA/product/tp-link-tp-link-grid-parabolic-antenna-tl-ant2424b-tl-ant2424b/10219157.aspx

http://www.tp-link.com/en/products/details/?model=TL-ANT2424B

Dimension 1000mm x 600mm (39.37 inch wide, 23.6 inch high)
Beamwidth 10 degrees one axis, 14 degrees other axis

If you are sitting in a small room, this will take up major
space. But it is a powerful antenna. And the lobe should
point out the front of the antenna (no gain on the back side).

HTH,
Paul
 
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freejazz

Paul said:
Purchase an antenna locally. Look for something
with relatively solid construction.

The thing is, for 2.4GHz operation, the antenna requirements
are not as difficult to meet as for a TV antenna (which is a
broadband device working on more than one band). If you look
at the Yagi antennas for Wifi, the element length and spacing
seems to be almost the same for all elements. Even if the
manufacturer cannot saw the elements off to the correct length,
the antenna will still have tremendous gain. If it says 30dBi,
you're likely to get at least 15dBi from it, even if it is
built by purely incompetent people.
I'm agreed with you but i think that is much better to look for a
better constructive quality materials one.
The only thing to watch for, is "Pringles Can antenna" or
Cantenna. It is possible to make those work, but some
of the plans on the Internet for those, have wrong dimensions.
I read about this "Cantenna" by Napleswireless.net and few years
ago i constructed a little one to apply on antenna of router to
direct waves and effectively the gain increased a bit but wasn't
enought for my needed.
Antenna designers on the Internet, use programs like 4NEC2 to
verify antenna designs, and predict performance. I don't think
4NEC2 would necessarily be the best program for verifying
the dimensions on a Cantenna, but you need to find a
design which has been verified by an expert, before wasting
time on such a thing.

Even the BestBuy has Wifi antennas, well hidden on their
web page. That's a 24dBi TP-Link antenna. The connector on
the end won't be the one needed, and tracking down an
adapter cable solution will also be a chore.

http://www.bestbuy.ca/en-CA/product/tp-link-tp-link-grid-parabolic-antenna-tl-ant2424b-tl-ant2424b/10219157.aspx

http://www.tp-link.com/en/products/details/?model=TL-ANT2424B

Dimension 1000mm x 600mm (39.37 inch wide, 23.6 inch high)
Beamwidth 10 degrees one axis, 14 degrees other axis

If you are sitting in a small room, this will take up major
space. But it is a powerful antenna. And the lobe should
point out the front of the antenna (no gain on the back side).

HTH,
Paul
Yeah, thank you Paul for your links.
I think that the ANT2424B TPLink with 24dB should be a good
antenna to get my goals.
On the market exists an identical antenna producted by Telcom
(24dB) and i think that is only a change of brand..
I read about a Tp 5210gamplifier receiver, ap/router and all
direction antenna with 12dB gain that you can adapt with
Gregorian antenna you suggested me.
I wonder is 12dB gain of amplifier will be add at Gregorian antenna.
I suppose that's not. The Gregorian will exclude internal
antenna's Tp 5210g...
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Paul

freejazz said:
Yeah, thank you Paul for your links.
I think that the ANT2424B TPLink with 24dB should be a good
antenna to get my goals.
On the market exists an identical antenna producted by Telcom
(24dB) and i think that is only a change of brand..
I read about a Tp 5210g
amplifier receiver, ap/router and all
direction antenna with 12dB gain that you can adapt with
Gregorian antenna you suggested me.
I wonder is 12dB gain of amplifier will be add at Gregorian antenna.
I suppose that's not. The Gregorian will exclude internal
antenna's Tp 5210g...
The output power, takes into account the antenna gain.
As the rating is EIRP. EIRP is how the unlicensed wireless
specification is set up. The more gain the provided antenna
has, the less power the RF transmitter could have, in order
to stay within the EIRP power limit. That is done, so that
the lobe of the transmitted signal (out in front of the antenna),
stays at a legal power level.

http://www.tp-link.com/en/products/details/?model=TL-WA5210G#spec

If you buy a product that comes with a weak antenna, then
slap on an antenna with huge gain, that gives you an illegal
power level right out in front of the antenna. And that's the reason
for using the fancy antenna. Knowingly exceeding the EIRP by
using an antenna with gain. You unscrew the 2dBi stick antenna
and connect the 24dBi antenna in its place.

Note that companies can sell gear intended for commercial usage
(in a mall), with power levels above the unlicensed value, but then
you just apply for a license to use the equipment. It makes you
visible to the government.

That's why these requests for fancy antennas are funny, as the
owner of the antenna will truly be able to claim they
don't know what an EIRP is, and they could not possibly
know the power level was at the license-required level out in
front of their antenna. Since our society triggers most
things based on "complaints", if you disrupt the Wifi of
your neighbors with your contraption, that's when the
Department of Communications comes looking for the source.
They would not normally check the transmit power level out
in front of your antenna, just for fun. As the 2.4GHz band
is already a mess, and it serves no purpose to patrol the
entire city looking for parabolic dishes. But if a neighbor
spots your parabolic antenna, and their Wifi stops working
as a result, you are the first person they will blame.
(Even if it is not your fault.) Just like they blame a
Ham Radio operator here, if their TV doesn't work. Even if
the Ham Radio operator no longer has a transmitter hooked
to the antenna tower outside their home. The Ham Radio
operator is the first person to receive a visit from
the government.

Paul
 

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