If you really think Vista is the future...

[Puppy Breath]

Vienna (code name) comes next. It's been in the works for a while now.

Many of the things cited in that article are the very reason why Vista will
be the OS of the future. Consumers want a more secure environment. Media
publishers want better copyright protection.

Hard disk space is cheap and plentiful and the constant navigating through
folders as we've been doing since the DOS era just doesn't cut it anymore.
The OS needs some kind of built-in search index/engine. Something along the
lines of WinFS.



"Zim Babwe"

 

[Saran]

If you really think Vista is the future, then please read this:

http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.html

To people who seem to be bent on telling people Vista is a good thing,
etc, then I'm sorry, you don't have a clue what Vista really represents.

Also have a look here for more relating to that:

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=37091

I don't care if you don't like the authors or whatever. Please just read
and comprehend what the DRM issue *REALLY* means here.

This is my attempt to educate people who think Vista is good for the
future of computing. It is not to start a flame war or troll bait. If
you want to comment on this, then please do so. Just don't reply saying
"you're an idiot, you actually trust that author" or what not.

The issue at hand I feel is a serious one, and I hope all who read this
will treat it as such.

Have a good evening.

 

[Rich]

To people who seem to be bent on telling people Vista is a good thing,

etc, then I'm sorry, you don't have a clue what Vista really represents.

Irony again

oh brother


Rich

 

[Gordon Keenan]

If you really think Vista is the future, then please read this:

http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.html

To people who seem to be bent on telling people Vista is a good thing,
etc, then I'm sorry, you don't have a clue what Vista really represents.

Also have a look here for more relating to that:

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=37091

I don't care if you don't like the authors or whatever. Please just read
and comprehend what the DRM issue *REALLY* means here.

This is my attempt to educate people who think Vista is good for the
future of computing. It is not to start a flame war or troll bait. If you
want to comment on this, then please do so. Just don't reply saying
"you're an idiot, you actually trust that author" or what not.

The issue at hand I feel is a serious one, and I hope all who read this
will treat it as such.

Have a good evening.

I don't think I have read anything on here from any user saying that Vista
is GOOD for the future of computing, but all I do seem to read is some
people moaning about the O.S. when it would seem they prefer to use Linux,
or some other O.S. If that's the case why not stick to what makes you happy
and allow others to be blind to your vastly superior and cheaper
alternatives?

The bottom line is this. MS has money and marketing available world-wide.
They can push whatever they want because they know that the press will lap
it up (oh that lovely advertising revenue) most end users are pretty
clueless and believe what a magazine journo will write, and bottom line they
know that if they push long and hard enough, the Dell's of the world and PC
World Stores will all do the marketing and selling for them, so they can
pretty much sit back and let everyone and anyone moan as much as they like.
Bottom line - "Make Money vs Moaning minnies on here = Don't Bat an Eyelid".

Sure, this is not very good if you believe that a computer O.S. should be
available free and that the end user is someone that the company cares
about, but it's about making money money money, and it's only when that
money making side of things gets hurt that any company will stop and take
stock on what might be happening.

My own "personal view" on Vista is that there should not be all the
different versions. There should only be one operating system and that way
there would be less confusion, but again, it's all down to making money! The
funny thing is that when I did a fresh installation of Windows XP
Professional on a second system I have here, it really did appear to be
running blisteringly fast, but when you consider that it's all down to the
drivers etc, I know once the usual MS and other manufacturer development
cycles keep rolling on, the driver situation will improve. How long has it
taken the likes of Linux to get up to a standard the average user can even
attempt to deal with? With that in mind, I think the likes of XP and Vista
have done an amazing job of making things easier for the average user.

The one thing though that nobody ever touches on though is the human/worker
factor. MS has a huge amount of staff and telephone support people, and
again due to making money they moved their support to call centers in the
likes of India. What have the likes of you did to complain about this? But
then again, why would you bother? Don't you care about the human aspect to
all of this? More a case of the short sightedness of complaining about an
O.S. when there are real problems and issues in the world more worthy of
bleating on about.

An O.S. is simply that. Use it, or not, it's your call, but bottom line is,
try and get a life and focus on what matters away from a computer and move
on with your life. It's a lot shorter than you think!

 

[Cymbal Man Freq.]

Bump.


| If you really think Vista is the future, then please read this:
|
| http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.html
|
| To people who seem to be bent on telling people Vista is a good thing,
| etc, then I'm sorry, you don't have a clue what Vista really represents.
|
| Also have a look here for more relating to that:
|
| http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=37091
|
| I don't care if you don't like the authors or whatever. Please just read
| and comprehend what the DRM issue *REALLY* means here.
|
| This is my attempt to educate people who think Vista is good for the
| future of computing. It is not to start a flame war or troll bait. If
| you want to comment on this, then please do so. Just don't reply saying
| "you're an idiot, you actually trust that author" or what not.
|
| The issue at hand I feel is a serious one, and I hope all who read this
| will treat it as such.
|
| Have a good evening.
|
|

 

[Loopy]

Seems to me that everyone is overlooking an inescapable fact - Microsoft and
Microsoft alone owns the Windows operating system. They designed it, built
it, packaged it and sold it and they can do as they please with it. There
is nothing in the universe forcing anyone to buy, build, or otherwise use a
computer and if you decide that you must have one there is no law forcing
you to use Windows. Buying a copy of
Windows does not give you or anyone else license to dictate to Microsoft
what they should or should not do with their operating system. Consumers
can discuss it, complain about it and submit requests for changes but in the
end only Bill Gates can decide what he wants to do with Windows.

 

[Cymbal Man Freq.]

| Seems to me that everyone is overlooking an inescapable fact - Microsoft and
| Microsoft alone owns the Windows operating system. They designed it, built
| it, packaged it and sold it and they can do as they please with it. There
| is nothing in the universe forcing anyone to buy, build, or otherwise use a
| computer and if you decide that you must have one there is no law forcing
| you to use Windows. Buying a copy of
| Windows does not give you or anyone else license to dictate to Microsoft
| what they should or should not do with their operating system. Consumers
| can discuss it, complain about it and submit requests for changes but in the
| end only Bill Gates can decide what he wants to do with Windows.
|

That's why Bill is bailing out from the top with a Golden Parachute. This is the
OS to end all OS's, including this one! What comes after Vista now?

 

[Zim Babwe]

What comes after Vista now? Since they can't get Vista right, Microsoft
will be thinking of going back to DOS. They will upgrade DOS 6.22 and
change the version to 8.0. Machines will run faster, less prone to
crashing.

 

[Saran]

I don't think I have read anything on here from any user saying that
Vista is GOOD for the future of computing, but all I do seem to read
is some people moaning about the O.S. when it would seem they prefer
to use Linux, or some other O.S. If that's the case why not stick to
what makes you happy and allow others to be blind to your vastly
superior and cheaper alternatives?

My post wasn't about OS vs OS vs OS, so whay try to turn it into that?
Please don't. This is about where Vista is trying to lead the computer
as we know it, and trying to change it completely, in regards to DRM.

An O.S. is simply that. Use it, or not, it's your call, but bottom
line is, try and get a life and focus on what matters away from a
computer and move on with your life. It's a lot shorter than you
think!

True, but an OS should not try to be acting like a police officer 24/7,
imposing artificial restrictions on media and what not in the ways
desribed in that paper. I strongly urge you read it.

 

[Saran]

Irony again

oh brother


Rich

Not like I expected you to listen to reason.

http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.html

Please actually read this, thne coem back, hopefully with an intelligent
response, then try to tell us all, that DRM (and how Vista employs it),
is a _GOOD_ thing.

 

[Vronans]

Seems to me that everyone is overlooking an inescapable fact -
Microsoft and Microsoft alone owns the Windows operating system.

What does this have to do with the DRM in Vista?

They designed it, built it, packaged it and sold it and they can do
as they please with it.

and it's "they", together with other entities, that want to screw the
consumers even more than they already do.

There is nothing in the universe forcing anyone to buy, build, or
otherwise use a computer and if you decide that you must have one
there is no law forcing you to use Windows.

I disagree that there isnt' at least a nattempt to try to force people
over. Like the exclusivety of DX10, is one example of a blatent attempt
at that. "Come to Vista or you don't get DX10", essentially.

Buying a copy of Windows does not give you or anyone else license to
dictate to Microsoft what they should or should not do with their
operating system.

Again, that isn't what this is about. This is how MS & others associates
are trying to gai na tight grip over what we can and cannot do with
media we own (or the so called "premium content"), which is all intented
to milk consumers as much as possible.

Consumers can discuss it, complain about it and submit
requests for changes but in the end only Bill Gates can decide what
he wants to do with Windows.

We are discussing it. Gates himself isn't exactly fond of DRM. It seems
to me Gate doesn't like the direction Windows is going (at least where
DRM is concerned) either.

http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/12/14/bill-gates-on-the-future-of-drm/

 

[Vronans]

Vienna (code name) comes next. It's been in the works for a while now.

Many of the things cited in that article are the very reason why
Vista will be the OS of the future. Consumers want a more secure
environment. Media publishers want better copyright protection.

If you really believe that (that DRM "Content Protect") can possibly
serve a positive purpose, then you must be from a parallel universe of
sorts. From where I (and seemingly a lot of other people) sit, it's
clear this is designed as another way to control people. I for one don't
want any content artificially degraded or refusing to play or what not.
But hey, to each his own.

 

[Jeffrey S. Sparks]

Nobody likes DRM except the MPIAA and RIAA. If they weren't forcing
companies like microsoft to implement it then it wouldn't exist.

Jeff

 

[Gordon Keenan]

My post wasn't about OS vs OS vs OS, so whay try to turn it into that?
Please don't. This is about where Vista is trying to lead the computer as
we know it, and trying to change it completely, in regards to DRM.

I only put it in that way because it just appeared to be another post on a
Vista group attacking a specific point that may or may have not been
anythign important to a braod range of users.

True, but an OS should not try to be acting like a police officer 24/7,
imposing artificial restrictions on media and what not in the ways
desribed in that paper. I strongly urge you read it.

I do agree with you on this for any operating system be it on a pc, phone,
dvd recorder etc, but in all honesty it's never affected me (yet) as all the
stuff I use I tend to buy, play and no hassle. I suppose if I was more
"into" various music and movies etc, then it would be more of an issue to
me, but I'm afraid for this one I have to let it pass..... sad I know,
but.... I know there are more determined people out their voicing their
opinions.

 

[Rich]

Speak for yourself.

Listen?, ah so easy to say, so hard to do.

Rich

 

[Jerry White]

You sir are moron. He is speaking for anyone. He was giving information. Not
that I'd expect you to understand the paper he linked, as that would require
reading comprehension.

 

[Saran]

You sir are moron. He is speaking for anyone. He was giving
information. Not that I'd expect you to understand the paper he
linked, as that would require reading comprehension.

I'll take that as you meaning to say "He is NOT speaking for anyone",
which would be true. I was, however, trying to infor mpeople of the
truth which essentially defines Vista's main purpose.

For anyone who missed the beginng of this thread: