IBM 60GXP failures (again)...

[Mike Deblis]

Hi,

I have a 60GXP (date code Dec-2001) that recently gave me the "click
of death" and W2K no won;t look at the drive at all - not even with
WinHex etc.

So, the drive spins up, but no data access seems possible - my last
full DriveImage backup was only a week ago, and I've restored that ok
to a new drive, but I would like the missing week's email.

Is there any sort of recovery route that doesn't involve paying USD
500 to someone? Can I buy another 60GXP and swap the logic (it seems
fairly straight forward and I have an EE background).

Is this mode of failure "solid", i.e. electro-mechanical, or is it
purely electronic in nature, i.e. would a board swap solve it (maybe).

Is there a good web site on this issue? The drive is in warranty, and
I have an RMA for it, but I'd rather have the data than another of
these poxy drives ;-)

Sigh ;-(

Thanks,

Mike

 

[joe smith]

I have a 60GXP (date code Dec-2001) that recently gave me the "click

of death" and W2K no won;t look at the drive at all - not even with
WinHex etc.

For years some specific 'regulars' of this group have claimed, that all
reports posted here about 60 GXP failures are drivel and biased. It made
news just the recent month that IBM was aware of the problems in relibiality
of this line of products.. I would like to hear comments from the regulars
that they have to say after calling people liars, idiots, etc. for years now
that the news is out.

Is it a fact, that F.Rien.. neven mind, *cough*, anonymous persons posting
here are clueless and know nothing about the topic afterall? Just some food
for thought. ;-)

</troll>

 

[Arno Wagner]

Hi,

I have a 60GXP (date code Dec-2001) that recently gave me the "click
of death" and W2K no won;t look at the drive at all - not even with
WinHex etc.

So, the drive spins up, but no data access seems possible - my last
full DriveImage backup was only a week ago, and I've restored that ok
to a new drive, but I would like the missing week's email.

Is there any sort of recovery route that doesn't involve paying USD
500 to someone? Can I buy another 60GXP and swap the logic (it seems
fairly straight forward and I have an EE background).

Don't think so. Some time ago we got a quote for exactly this
problem and it was more significantly more than 500USD. If it
was just a board-swap, it would have been cheaper, I think. And
the problem was well knowen at the data-recovery outfit we
asked.

Is this mode of failure "solid", i.e. electro-mechanical, or is it
purely electronic in nature, i.e. would a board swap solve it (maybe).

The latest speculation is that it is a disk-coating that produces
particles, I think. That would mean no chance without a clean
room and the right tools.

Is there a good web site on this issue? The drive is in warranty, and
I have an RMA for it, but I'd rather have the data than another of
these poxy drives ;-)

I would advise to forget it. Just a waste of time. I recently
threw away a working 60GXP and a working 75GXP, since they have
more like a negative monetary value... (i.e. will cost a lot of
time if used.)

Sigh ;-(

Agreed.

Arno

 

[Arno Wagner]

For years some specific 'regulars' of this group have claimed, that all
reports posted here about 60 GXP failures are drivel and biased. It made
news just the recent month that IBM was aware of the problems in relibiality
of this line of products..

Sheds some light on the quality of some of the "facts" given in this group.
But it's a free net, so everybody gets their say.

Interestingly enough, there are two sets of experts here. Both think
they know their stuff. One group is mostly incompetent, the other is
not. (Of course some cross-opver is happening. But I am sure this is
accidental on both sides.)

I wonder whether people can tell these groups apart and recognize
which is which?

Arno

 

[RWL]

Try DFSee to see if you can get into the drive at all

If not, what you propose to do sounds difficult from reading the other
posts here, but one of the drive recovery sites had a list of how to
determine what board you needed to look for in IMB (now Hitachi)
drives. Search the web for the file hitachi-pcb.pdf

RWL

Hi,

I have a 60GXP (date code Dec-2001) that recently gave me the "click
of death" and W2K no won;t look at the drive at all - not even with
WinHex etc.

So, the drive spins up, but no data access seems possible - my last
full DriveImage backup was only a week ago, and I've restored that ok
to a new drive, but I would like the missing week's email.

Is there any sort of recovery route that doesn't involve paying USD
500 to someone? Can I buy another 60GXP and swap the logic (it seems
fairly straight forward and I have an EE background).

Is this mode of failure "solid", i.e. electro-mechanical, or is it
purely electronic in nature, i.e. would a board swap solve it (maybe).

Is there a good web site on this issue? The drive is in warranty, and
I have an RMA for it, but I'd rather have the data than another of
these poxy drives ;-)

Sigh ;-(

Thanks,

Mike

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[Eric Gisin]

It that you Ronnie? The truth about deathstars finally wacked your belief
system back to partial sanity.

"joe smith"
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[Folkert Rienstra]

Previously joe smith <john.smith@iiuaudhahsyasdy232462643264276asdhfvhdsafhasdgdsagyufas


Sheds some light on the quality of some of the "facts" given in this group.
But it's a free net, so everybody gets their say.

Interestingly enough, there are two sets of experts here.

And then there's trolls and trollfeeders too.

Both think they know their stuff.
One group is mostly incompetent, the other is not.

Some of them can even type. Let's guess in which group you are.

(Of course some cross-opver is happening.
Oops.

But I am sure this is accidental on both sides.)

I wonder whether people can tell these groups apart and recognize
which is which?

Call yourself Joe Smith, see what you get.

 

[chrisv]

For years some specific 'regulars' of this group have claimed, that all
reports posted here about 60 GXP failures are drivel and biased. It made
news just the recent month that IBM was aware of the problems in relibiality
of this line of products.. I would like to hear comments from the regulars
that they have to say after calling people liars, idiots, etc. for years now
that the news is out.

Nope there's nothin there but just wacko slime.

Most everyone reports no problems at all and they are fast.

Your anti-IBM slime campaign has now been widely discredited.

 

[Tom Scales]

Hmm. My two sure failed pretty darned easily.

"joe smith"
<john.smith@iiuaudhahsyasdy232462643264276asdhfvhdsafhasdgdsagyufasgyufdashu
fdashuyfhuysafhuysafhuydh27324242742647623762667bhfbdsahbvfahds.net>

Nope there's nothin there but just wacko slime.

Most everyone reports no problems at all and they are fast.

Your anti-IBM slime campaign has now been widely discredited.

 

[John Doe]

For years some specific 'regulars' of this group have claimed, that all
reports posted here about 60 GXP failures are drivel and biased. It made
news just the recent month that IBM was aware of the problems in relibiality
of this line of products.. I would like to hear comments from the regulars
that they have to say after calling people liars, idiots, etc. for years now
that the news is out.

Is it a fact, that F.Rien.. neven mind, *cough*, anonymous persons posting
here are clueless and know nothing about the topic afterall? Just some food
for thought. ;-)

</troll>

Here is some more trolling on June 2002, almost two years ago.

http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=...=UTF-8&as_usubject=techies%20need%20big%20HDD

There is tons of IBM bashing bias in that thread, all of it proven silly
(to me).

My dirt cheap IBM Deskstar has been running 24/7, fast, reliable, and
very quiet. No thanks to the trolls' advice.

 

[John Doe]

"joe smith"

Most everyone reports no problems at all and they are fast.
Your anti-IBM slime campaign has now been widely discredited.

Yes it has, at least to me!

http://groups.google.com/groups?saf...big HDD&as_scoring=d&lr=lang_en&num=100&hl=en

Two years ago, I posted what I figured was helpful information about a
very low price on a 60 GB IBM Deskstar. A bunch of nay-sayers complained
about it.

It has been running 24/7 (not as a server). It is doing great. Yup.

Out.

 

[John Doe]

Maybe you put them on top of the case instead of inside?
(playing)

 

[joe smith]

There is tons of IBM bashing bias in that thread, all of it proven silly

(to me).

Here is some more conspiracy material for you, don't forget your tinfoil
hat..

http://techreport.com/onearticle.x/6292