I have to share my First build!

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Mr. Mustang

I picked up the following for my fist build

Athlon 64 3500+
MSI K8N Neo2 Platinum
1 Gig (512x2) PC3200 OCZ Extream (Love the copper heat displacers)
Cooler Master Aerogate Temp/Fan Controller

This stuff couples with my NVIDIA 5950 Ultra SCREAMS! The few games I ahve
tried so far have been taken to a WHOLE new level! I do regreat the case I
picked up. I was on a budget for the build so I chose to stay cheap with
the case (450 W power supply, 11 bays, good cooling 40 bucks) The case is
very cheaply made, but it will work fine until I can get a better one.

I pick up all the stuff at Tigerdirect's warehouse on Sunday here in
Naperville, IL. GREAT PRICES (500 bucks for everything.)

I did notice that my RAM speed drops from 400 to 333 if I use DIMM slots
recomemded by MSI. Anyone else seen this?
 
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Strings®

Great system parts, your power supply is like a lawnmower engine in a Viper
I would quickly replace that generic 450 with a reliable stable power supply
from a top 10 manufacturer.
The number one cause of phantom computer problems is poor power supplies.
The power supply as the foundation of any system and should be the first
consideration in building a system.You have allot invested in a great system
so protect it by replacing what I would call a questionable power supply.
Don't buy for "Sexy" high wattage but solid "Volvo " quality,
Example: a good Enermax 350w is more stable and reliable than a $18 600w
generic. If you have a reliable local shop call and ask for a recommendation
on a quality supply and read the links attached it may help.

http://compreviews.about.com/cs/casesandmods/bb/aabybpsus.htm
http://www.silentpcreview.com/article28-page1.html
http://www.amdboard.com/psu.html
http://www4.tomshardware.com/column/20011012/index.html
http://www.tomshardware.com/howto/20041223/index.html
http://www.tomshardware.com/howto/20040122/index.html
http://www.firingsquad.com/guides/power_supply/
http://www.pcworld.com/howto/article/0,aid,113931,00.asp
 
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Derek Baker

Strings® said:
Great system parts, your power supply is like a lawnmower engine in a
Viper
I would quickly replace that generic 450 with a reliable stable power
supply from a top 10 manufacturer.
The number one cause of phantom computer problems is poor power supplies.
The power supply as the foundation of any system and should be the first
consideration in building a system.You have allot invested in a great
system so protect it by replacing what I would call a questionable power
supply.
Don't buy for "Sexy" high wattage but solid "Volvo " quality,
Example: a good Enermax 350w is more stable and reliable than a $18 600w
generic. If you have a reliable local shop call and ask for a
recommendation on a quality supply and read the links attached it may
help.

http://compreviews.about.com/cs/casesandmods/bb/aabybpsus.htm
http://www.silentpcreview.com/article28-page1.html
http://www.amdboard.com/psu.html
http://www4.tomshardware.com/column/20011012/index.html
http://www.tomshardware.com/howto/20041223/index.html
http://www.tomshardware.com/howto/20040122/index.html
http://www.firingsquad.com/guides/power_supply/
http://www.pcworld.com/howto/article/0,aid,113931,00.asp
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'$18 600w'? Come on, now you're just Wes bating :)
 
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Wes Newell

'$18 600w'? Come on, now you're just Wes bating :)
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Yep, but it didn't work.:)

I just wonder why my $200 PSU is so much better than my $18 PSU? they have
both been working well for over a year. Hmmm... Did I really need to spend
$200 for that other PSU?:)
Well, at least I can brag about having the best. But do you know which one
I'm talking about?:)
 
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dawg

Your ram should run at 400FSB as long as you don't use four memory slots. It
may be three. But with only two slots used I don't see why it won't run at
400. I think the latest motherboards don't have that limitation.
 
M

Mr. Mustang

Actually I did pull the 400 watt PSU out of my old machine because the 450
watt felt very light and cheap when I took it out to inspect it.
 
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Strings§

Any PS on PCPC list from $49-200 is ten times the quality and reliability of
any $18 600w junk power supply. Price and wattage are no substitutes for
Quality and Reliability!!
Some people with low IQ's don't understand the difference between High
priced Specialty items, Quality at a high price, Quality at low to mid range
price OR No quality and a low price with eye popping magical 600w for $18,
In fact there is a fellow here who represents the junk power suppliers
association but forgets to ad the Warning "Results not Typical". I think
because in his own words he admittedly tell the difference between a
Specially $200 and $18 junk supply speaks volumes for his lack of technical
knowledge.
 
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Strings§

Sub standard parts with fewer capacitors at poor tolerances low gauge copper
in the switching voltage regulators and wires thin PCB low quality
transformers.
That's an $18 generic supply. hay there is a fellow who posts her who cant
tell the difference between any PS he may be happy to buy it for his
important clients to use in their business systems. 24/7

Mr. Mustang said:
Actually I did pull the 400 watt PSU out of my old machine because the 450
watt felt very light and cheap when I took it out to inspect it.
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Mr. Mustang

The motherboard manual indicates that this will happen when double sided
memory is used. Right now I have them in DIMM slots 1 and 3. MSI uses
green and purple for these slots to help the user put the memory in the
right place. For some reason the manual says to use the green slots (DIMM 1
and 3) before the purple ones (2 and 4).
 
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Wes Newell

Any PS on PCPC list from $49-200 is ten times the quality and reliability of
any $18 600w junk power supply. Price and wattage are no substitutes for
Quality and Reliability!!
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While I don't agree with this general analogy, the list price of the PSU
you are referencing is not $18. That is the sale price.
Some people with low IQ's don't understand the difference between High
priced Specialty items, Quality at a high price, Quality at low to mid
range price OR No quality and a low price with eye popping magical 600w
for $18, In fact there is a fellow here who represents the junk power
suppliers association but forgets to ad the Warning "Results not
Typical". I think because in his own words he admittedly tell the
difference between a Specially $200 and $18 junk supply speaks volumes
for his lack of technical knowledge.
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All this shows is that you are either an idiot, have a bug up your ass, or
both. You need to read my post again. I would hope that others realized I
was trying to say that even though the $200 PSU is better (in terms of
specs), the $18 PSU performed just as well in systems. Now I actually
don't have a $200 PSU, but just assumed it would perform as well as the
$18 PSU which has performed perfectly running 24/7 since March of 2004 (at
which time it was $24). And I'm tired of fixing your top post so I didn't
this time.
 
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Strings§

So you lied when you said you have a $200 PCPC power supply! Why does that
not shock me ?
600w $18 24/7 WOW! ... (Warning! "Results not Typical") The price changed 4
times so now its $24.

I am still waiting for you to provide a small sample of 4-6 sites that
support you insistence that 600w $18 power supplies are of quality and long
term reliability, after all you did provide a link for their sale. You
gambled and got lucky so please provide us a link so readers can see why
they should take the same gamble. Or are people to just believe your word
and single minded recommendation as "the gospel on PS" without proof? I have
provided 10 or more links that all suggest never buy a PS for less than $30
and educate people how to pick a good one at many prices.

You still have not addressed why all the top 10 PC manufactures never use
those low quality supplies you promote and support with a religious passion,
they would love to save money ? Is it that they don't want a 20+ failure
rate for this type of junk or is it they don't gamble with their clients.

The bug up my ass as you put it is pushing or promoting poor power supplies
to uneducated people. Some years back,
One second level manufacture used them in PC with popular toy (Girls Doll
and Mini Cars) images to sell systems in upper Canada. The power supplies
failed so often the Government pushed the importer (China PS) to replace
every one before bankruptcy. Kids called the shop often when the work did
not go fast enough. I worked on many of them and they were the same generic
PS sold at local shops for $20 the only reason the received attention was
the association with the large well known toy company. Local personal buyers
take a gamble when they buy them.

http://www.ftc.gov/os/2000/07/patriotcmp.htm
http://www.goldhawk.com/consumer/19991222.shtml
http://www.applefritter.com/node/5297
 
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Wes Newell

So you lied when you said you have a $200 PCPC power supply! Why does that
not shock me ?
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Because you're an idiot maybe.
600w $18 24/7 WOW! ... (Warning! "Results not Typical") The price
changed 4 times so now its $24.
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Learn how to read. I've posted numerous times that mine was $24 when i
bought it over a year ago. I've also posted that the $18 PSU was not the
same as the one I bought, but was similar. And frankly I'm getting tired
of your bull shit, so get lost.
 
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dawg

Mr. Mustang said:
The motherboard manual indicates that this will happen when double sided
memory is used. Right now I have them in DIMM slots 1 and 3. MSI uses
green and purple for these slots to help the user put the memory in the
right place. For some reason the manual says to use the green slots (DIMM 1
and 3) before the purple ones (2 and 4).
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Still, with only 2 double sided dimms it should work at 400FSB. I'm not sure
why it won't. I'll check the specs at MSI.
 
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Strings§

Funny they only bullshit here comes from you, I can only assume you are sick
of me pointing out how your the real idiot by recommending things any good
technician would not use in his own system or recommend with a clear
conscience.

So how about those links backing up your expertise on the quality and
reliability of $18 to $24 power supplies.

Make you a deal you refrain from recommending ONLY junk PS and I will
refrain from pointing it out. Its as close to getting lost as I can agree
to.
 
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Wes Newell

Make you a deal you refrain from recommending ONLY junk PS and I will
refrain from pointing it out. Its as close to getting lost as I can agree
to.
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I've never recommenderd a junk PSU. That's your perseption of the PSU I've
recommended. Actually, it's better put that you think any PSU that doesn't
cost a lot of money is junk and that's just not the case. I'll give that
you are intitiled to your opinion, but I'm intitled to mine. I'm willing
to let OP choose which one they care to believe. And I'll never recommend
a PSU that cost more than another when both would perform the same
function. That's like recommending everyone go out and buy a $100,000 car
to drive back and forth to work when you can get the job accomplished with
a $10,000 car just as reliably.

Now if you want to match expertise, I'll be happy to post links to
computer products I've designed from the ground up, manufactured, and
sold, and you can do the same. Then people will be able to make a choice
as to which advice they want to take. Other than that I'm done wasting
my time with you.
 
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OVS

association but forgets to ad the Warning "Results not Typical". I think
because in his own words he admittedly tell the difference between a
Specially $200 and $18 junk supply speaks volumes for his lack of technical
knowledge.
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I don't dispute whatever experience you may have, but you know what you
sound like? A 15 year old kid who's knowledge is based on what the 'cool'
guys on the PC forums say.
Your drivel speak is rendered even more meaningless with statements such as
"Some people with low IQ's don't understand the difference between High
priced Specialty items" just isn't helping your case

Let me guess, last year your style was more: OMG!! ONLY FAGOTS BY CHEAP
PSUs i SHUD NO 1 HAVE A MASTERS IN ELECTRIC STUFF & i BUILD ROBOTS FOR NASA
You've improved, but the style is the same. Lets hope, for your sake at
least you're still in your 'difficult' teenage years. If not, well I guess
you're doomed to forever sound unconvincing on your chosen interest,
however well informed you may be..
 
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Strings§

I shall assume that's a no on any agreements, CRY HAVOC! AND LET LOOSE THE
DOGS OF PSs!

You have more excuses and nonsense trying to pass as technical expertise
than any one I have ever seen in this business. You should read you postings
as if it were not you posting them, you too would snicker. Your out to
lunch, dinner and a snack the only person that stated any price was YOU! yes
you. I never told anyone they had to spend lots of money for quality or to
spend any amount for that matter or that they could not get quality on a
budget. BUT you know that and just have to repeat that lie to cover you
incompetence.
I only suggest readers research and buy for quality and long term
reliability. NOTE: there are NO top quality $18 600w power supplies that
conform to that standard just ask Dell, Sun, Apple, HP or IBM I repaired
then all. I supplied many links on how to choose a good power supply and how
to spot $18 600w junkers BUT you provide none on the quality and long term
reliability of your $18 PS's. (still waiting) I even provided a link to a
company that had to replace so many (aprox 40000) $18 PS they went bankrupt.
It laughable how people pay thousands on expensive system parts but on your
bad advice would use a cheap $18 600w PS (Warning! "Results not Typical")
 
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Jimmy

dawg said:
Okay, at MSI's website is a chart that says to run at 400 FSB using two
Double sided modules,they should be in Slot 3 and 4. I believe that will
still give you dual channel too. Here's the link.
http://www.msicomputer.com/product/p_spec.asp?model=K8N_Neo2_Platinum&class=mb
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You can run Dimm1 & 2 or Dimm 3 & 4 to run 400 FSB on this board per the
chart information provided. To run Dual Channel the pair of memory sticks
have to be identical and running in Dimm 1 and 2 (channels A & B) or in Dimm
3 & 4 (channels A & B). I have this board and am running Dual Channel 400
FSB with the memory located in Dimm 1 & 2.

I have heard others getting 400 FSB with 4 sticks, but as the chart
indicated they have to be single-sided modules. Three sticks may/may not
work at 400 FSB. I believe it will fault to 333 FSB and you would lose Dual
Channel.
 
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