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[Thomas A. Rowe]

What good is "valid code" if it doesn't display correctly in the user's browser?

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[P@tty Ayers]

There most certainly are web standards, which are supported widely now,
although not perfectly. And the imperfectness of the support is no reason to
abandon the effort to have industry-wide standards, as any medium should.


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Folks were writing HTML code long before the DOCTYPE was implemented, and
sites in general work just fine, and second there are no HTML standards,
just recommendations/guidelines. The closest thing to a standard is HTML
3.2 which all browsers support.

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[P@tty Ayers]

Good code should do both, of course - validate and display correctly.


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What good is "valid code" if it doesn't display correctly in the user's
browser?

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[Tom Pepper Willett]

I still think it's rather curious that major web sites don't worry about a
doc type. Perhaps you need to contact them and let them know their
failings. I'm sure they'd be delighted to hear from you......

Google, Foxnews, the White House, the US Congress, Netscape, MSNBC, etc.

Tom


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| | > What good is "valid code" if it doesn't display correctly in the user's
| > browser?
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| >> | >>> Valid code to me is any code that renders in the targeted browser(s).
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| >> Ok - but when the term 'valid code' is used in the web development
| >> industry, it has a specific meaning, much different than your
definition.
| >> Just FYI.
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[Thomas A. Rowe]

There are no web standard, just recommendations.

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There most certainly are web standards, which are supported widely now, although not perfectly.
And the imperfectness of the support is no reason to abandon the effort to have industry-wide
standards, as any medium should.

 

[P@tty Ayers]

I don't know why those sites use backward coding practices, but it's not my
mission to convince them - or you. Do as you please.

 

[P@tty Ayers]

There are specifications (as you know), which serve as standards.
http://www.webstandards.org/learn/faq/

But hey, I'm not trying to convert you. Do what you think is best.

 

[Thomas A. Rowe]

"which server as standards", but bottom-line they are not standards.

I see a standard as something like in the US, where you can buy a light switch made by any
manufacturer, and know the when you get home, it will work as long as you have met the basis
requirements. Where as until all browsers are designed equally and support the same thing, and every
computer user has one installed, you can not have standards.

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[Thomas A. Rowe]

Then why accuse me of using "Invalid Code", just because you prefer to use DOCTYPES and write to
some none existing standards?

When you surf the web, what is your primary goal, to find sites that have the content that you are
looking for and displays correctly in your choice of browser or if the sites have "Valid Code" and
DOCTYPES specified?

Do as you please and let the rest of us do as we please.

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[Thomas A. Rowe]

From your link:

"The W3C develops open specifications (de facto standards) to enhance the interoperability of
web-related products. W3C Recommendations are developed by working groups consisting of Consortium
members and invited experts. Working groups obtain general consensus from companies and other
organizations involved in creating applications for the Web, and create Working Drafts and Proposed
Recommendations."


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[P@tty Ayers]

I see a standard as something like in the US, where you can buy a light
switch made by any manufacturer, and know the when you get home, it will
work as long as you have met the basis requirements. Where as until all
browsers are designed equally and support the same thing, and every
computer user has one installed, you can not have standards.

Exactly. Major efforts are underway to better establish those standards for
our industry, and both browser makers and web developers are moving in that
direction in large numbers.

Once more, I'm not trying to tell you what to do, only to share information.

 

[P@tty Ayers]

Then why accuse me of using "Invalid Code", just because you prefer to use
DOCTYPES and write to some none existing standards?

There's no accusation involved, and it's certainly not a big deal if it
doesn't bother you. But it's a fact that you are not using valid code,
according to any W3C specification, if you're not using a doctype.

When you surf the web, what is your primary goal, to find sites that have
the content that you are looking for and displays correctly in your choice
of browser or if the sites have "Valid Code" and DOCTYPES specified?

I agree completely that what ultimately matters the most is whether the web
works. I believe that web standards are the best way to make the web work
for everyone, especially the end-user.

Do as you please and let the rest of us do as we please.

As I've said several times, please feel free. I haven't told anybody
what to do, but only shared information.