How to Set the Target ColorSpace in VueScan?

[haverbach]

I'm testing the trial version of VueScan. Currently, all scanned
images import into Photoshop tagged with an sRGB colorspace profile.
I'd prefer VueScan to scan and tag in the Adobe RGB 1998 color space,
as AdobeRGB is my Photoshop workingspace. Anyone know how to set
VueScan accordingly?

Thank you,

Howard

 

[catfish]

I'm testing the trial version of VueScan. Currently, all scanned
images import into Photoshop tagged with an sRGB colorspace profile.
I'd prefer VueScan to scan and tag in the Adobe RGB 1998 color space,
as AdobeRGB is my Photoshop workingspace. Anyone know how to set
VueScan accordingly?

since you are beta testing, ask Ed Hamrick

don't bother replying to (e-mail address removed)
or even (e-mail address removed)
just reply to the newsgroup and i will catch it there

 

[Dan M]

Howard,

Here's a slightly more useful answer, I hope:

Under the color tab, the dropdown menu near the bottom of the left
side: Output color space. There are several choices.

Dan

 

[Steven]

since you are beta testing, ask Ed Hamrick

I doubt this is beta testing; I think the OP is using it in unlicenced
mode.

I would try clicking the 'color' tab and selecting the appropriate entry
in 'output color space'.

-- Steven

 

[haverbach]

Thanks all; however, it appears that the TRIAL version does not allow
one to set the output colorspace. It seems that only the "PRO" version
of the software so allows, and that the trial version is the standard,
NON-pro version.

Unfortunately for me, that's the MOST IMPORTANT function. Here's why:

On my system, if both Photoshop and EpsonScan (for my 4870 scanner) are
set to sRGB, images look good in the scan preview and appear properly
in Photoshop. But if PhotoShop workingspace and EpsonScan target
output (through the "Configuration" dialog) are both set to Adobe RGB,
images look fine in the scan preview, but are much too saturated
(especially reds) when imported into Photoshop.

Having no clue other than that perhaps the EpsonScan software doesn't
work, I was hoping VueScan would solve the problem. Unfortunately, it
seems that I cannot test the matter with the trial version of VueScan.

So, maybe someone can help: If you have your Photoshop workingspace
set to Adobe RGB 1998, and you have told Vuescan to scan to and tag
images with Adobe RGB 1998, when the image appears in Photoshop, does
it have the proper saturation, or is it oversaturated (especially the
reds)?

Thanks,

Howard

 

[Dan M]

I use Adobe RGB and it usually looks right on target to me, but there
are so many variables...

Despite a few repeatedly negative posters here, I think Vuescan is an
excellent addition to my scanning process (Coolscan V) and for the most
part, I use it more than Nikon Scan. Maybe it's just a personal
preference, but more often than not, I prefer the Vuescan scan over the
Nikon Scan scan, especially when working with black and white. It is an
overwhelming interface at times and tweaking too many options at once
can really throw you off course, but I usually find it to be worth all
the tweaking I do with it. The only thing I couldn't do successfully is
make decent scans of some really old and very dark Kodachrome slides,
but I couldn't do that with Nikon Scan either.

I have also used Silverfast and found it to be quite useful as well,
though the upgradability is very confusing and I have to buy a new copy
every time I upgrade my scanner. Vuescan works both on my Epson flatbed
as well as the Coolscan, though I usually just use the Epson softare
for the flatbed.

Dan

 

[Maris V. Lidaka Sr.]

What is most important is that Vuescan will in fact deliver the image in
AdobeRGB once you select that. Proper saturation or oversaturation is a
function of other settings in Vuescan - Black and White points, gamma, etc.
Generally, users of Vuescan will end up with undersaturated images, the
point being that ALL detail, including detail in highlights and shadows is
captured. One can then adjust brightness, contrast, saturation etc. in
Photoshop.

Hoping this helps,

Maris

 

[Roger Moss]

I like it, too...

Bear in mind that (in Pro version at least) the Colour tab includes various
presets which produce quite different effects - particularly in saturation.
The Help files explain this (so rtfm) and, happily, you can preview these in
your preview window, before doing the final scan.

Let us know how you get on.

RM

 

[theo]

Thanks all; however, it appears that the TRIAL version does not allow
one to set the output colorspace. It seems that only the "PRO" version
of the software so allows, and that the trial version is the standard,
NON-pro version.

NOT! VueScan Trial Version is a hobbled Standard; otherwise, why would
anyone pay $50 for the Standard? But to get ICC/ICM gamuts other than the
generic built-in, the $90 Pro Version is the option, as you concluded. I
paid for the Pro so I do IT8 /profiles across my hardware.
Regards,
Theo

 

[Don]

Despite a few repeatedly negative posters here, I think Vuescan is an
excellent addition to my scanning process (Coolscan V)

What you call "negative postings" are legitimate complaints about
specific problems by frustrated paid-up users.

Vuescan is demonstrably unreliable and very buggy and that's just a
fact.

Maybe it's just a personal preference

Indeed, it is! Which is why some people with low requirements may be
happy with Vuescan. In case of such a low threshold Vuescan can be a
viable alternative.

Don.

 

[haverbach]

After MUCH experimentation, I've found the problem.

First, understand that I have a FULLY calibrated and profiled system.

My Photoshop workingspace is AdobeRGB. In the EpsonScan software that
comes with the 4870 scanner, there is a "Configuration" dialog which
allows one to choose between AdobeRGB (1998) or sRGB as the "Target
Space". I've always set this to Adobe RGB.

I normally scan using EpsonScan as a Photoshop plug in, i.e., directly
into Photoshop. In so doing, color images come into photoshop TOO
SATURATED, especially the reds. But I never receive any "Mismatched
Profile" or "No Profile" warnng dialog.

If instead of using EpsonScan as a plug in I scan to my Windows desktop
then import the file into photoshop, I do receive the "Profile
Mismatch" warning dialog.

As an experiment, I changed my Photoshop workingspace to sRGB. Scanned
images then came into Photoshop near perfect --- not Oversaturated.

As it turns out, changing the Target Space in EpsonScan makes no
difference. Output is never in the AdobeRGB workingspace. Output is
either tagged sRGB or untagged.

This led me to test VueScan for its AdobeRGB output. BUT THE TRIAL
VERSION DOES NOT HAVE THAT FUNCTIONALITY. All files are outputted in
sRGB.

Any comments?

Howard

 

[Robert Peirce]

On my system, if both Photoshop and EpsonScan (for my 4870 scanner) are
set to sRGB, images look good in the scan preview and appear properly
in Photoshop. But if PhotoShop workingspace and EpsonScan target
output (through the "Configuration" dialog) are both set to Adobe RGB,
images look fine in the scan preview, but are much too saturated
(especially reds) when imported into Photoshop.

Having no clue other than that perhaps the EpsonScan software doesn't
work, I was hoping VueScan would solve the problem. Unfortunately, it
seems that I cannot test the matter with the trial version of VueScan.

I have both VueScan and EpsonScan (2450). I keep VueScan current, but I
never seem to use it for anything. EpsonScan->Mac->Canon i9100 seems to
work fine.

 

[Maris V. Lidaka Sr.]

Don,

Your posting is regretably not responsive to the question posted, which was
how to change the scanned image to have it in and tagged with AdobeRGB and
not sRGB. Howard did not ask for a review or rating of Vuescan - he is
doing that himself.

Please read the question before posting your repetitive comments.

Maris

 

[DenverDad]

After MUCH experimentation, I've found the problem.
[snip]
As it turns out, changing the Target Space in EpsonScan makes no
difference. Output is never in the AdobeRGB workingspace. Output is
either tagged sRGB or untagged.

This led me to test VueScan for its AdobeRGB output. BUT THE TRIAL
VERSION DOES NOT HAVE THAT FUNCTIONALITY. All files are outputted in
sRGB.

Any comments?

Howard,

Having no experience with your scanner or its native software, I can't
even begin to suggest if there is hope for getting that combination to
output images in the colorspace of your choice. But the VueScan option
I CAN comment on. My workflow is just as you suggested - scan with
VueScan, outputting files in AdobeRGB; then bring the images into
Photoshop with AdobeRGB as the working space. It's been working great
for me and my film scanner. No oversaturated colors or other problems
to report - everything works the way it is supposed to. Unfortunately,
you are correct about the trial version of Vuescan not having the color
management capability. I don't think there is any way around this;
given your goals, you will need to purchase the PRO version if you
choose the VueScan solution.

Jeff

 

[Ken Weitzel]

After MUCH experimentation, I've found the problem.
[snip]

As it turns out, changing the Target Space in EpsonScan makes no

difference. Output is never in the AdobeRGB workingspace. Output is
either tagged sRGB or untagged.

This led me to test VueScan for its AdobeRGB output. BUT THE TRIAL
VERSION DOES NOT HAVE THAT FUNCTIONALITY. All files are outputted in
sRGB.

Any comments?

Howard,

Having no experience with your scanner or its native software, I can't
even begin to suggest if there is hope for getting that combination to
output images in the colorspace of your choice. But the VueScan option
I CAN comment on. My workflow is just as you suggested - scan with
VueScan, outputting files in AdobeRGB; then bring the images into
Photoshop with AdobeRGB as the working space. It's been working great
for me and my film scanner. No oversaturated colors or other problems
to report - everything works the way it is supposed to. Unfortunately,
you are correct about the trial version of Vuescan not having the color
management capability. I don't think there is any way around this;
given your goals, you will need to purchase the PRO version if you
choose the VueScan solution.

Jeff

Hi...

Late to the thread, with apologies if I'm repeating what may
already have been said.

For the OP, with EpsonScan... go to the pro setup; choose
configuration; choose colour from that tabbed window; choose
ICM, and the first option in the pulldown window will be
AdobeRGB.

Is this what's being looked for?

Take care.

Ken

 

[Alienjones]

: :
: Hi...
:
: Late to the thread, with apologies if I'm repeating what may
: already have been said.
:
: For the OP, with EpsonScan... go to the pro setup; choose
: configuration; choose colour from that tabbed window; choose
: ICM, and the first option in the pulldown window will be
: AdobeRGB.
:
: Is this what's being looked for?
:
: Take care.
:
: Ken
:
Way too simple for this lot Ken. Have you got a more complex solution by any
chance?
Maybe some advise on how bad the software is or why Adobe RGB is never going
to work? It would definitely be more in keeping with the thread that's
developed.

 

[Don]

Maris,

My posting was not intended as a response to the original question but
to your sweeping branding of all justified and factual criticism as
"negative comments". That's misleading because it brushes away and
minimizes well known Vuescan shortcomings voiced by frustrated users.

Yes, Howard did not ask for a review or rating but you have
volunteered one anyway! ("Vuescan is an excellent addition to my
scanning process")

Therefore, commenting on this subjective opinion (which you
acknowledge) is certainly appropriate, especially when this comment is
factual and objective.

As lawyers would say "you opened the door"! ;o)

By contrast, the statement "Vuescan is *demonstrably* buggy and
unreliable" is neither a review nor a rating but a simple and provable
(i.e. demonstrable) fact.

Don.

 

[Dan M]

Gee, I thought all the bloviators were working in news.

 

[haverbach]

Ken:

You're not paying attention. Consequently, neither is Alienjones.

The function you described is BROKEN. EpsonScan will NOT output to
AdobeRGB; it will not embed a profile. Period.

All the rest of this discussion is to develop a workaround.

Howard

 

[Maris V. Lidaka Sr.]

Please read more carefully - that positive opinion was given by Dan M, and
not by me. Re-read it at the very bottom of this reply.

Maris