how to plot a chart with 3 axes?

D

dinodeblasio

Hello, i have 3 columns and i want to have the normal y and x axis,
but on the other side of the plot
i'd like to have also a z axis.
For example i want to plot a curve that is a function of x: y=f(x) and
Z=g(x) on the same plot and have y on one side and z on the other
side.

Thanks, contact me also via email
 
P

Peter T

If I follow, you want the normal x-axis and two vertical y-axes, the
secondary y-axis on the right of your chart.

Rt-click your second series and Select Object (or double click the series),
select the 'Axis' tab and select the Secondary Axis option.

Regards,
Peter T
 
P

paul.robinson

Hi
Can't be done in Excel directly. Try Googling plot 3D to find free
plotters.
regards
Paul
 
R

Rich K

If I follow, you want the normal x-axis and two vertical y-axes, the
secondary y-axis on the right of your chart.

Rt-click your second series and Select Object (or double click the series),
select the 'Axis' tab and select the Secondary Axis option.

Regards,
Peter T

Or for more Y-axes in Excel, try Multy_Y or EZplot at www.OfficeExpander.com..
There is a Demo version to try.
Cheers!
 
J

Jon Peltier

The capability to add multiple axes looks nice, but it tends to confuse more
than help.

http://www.perceptualedge.com/articles/visual_business_intelligence/dual-scaled_axes.pdf
http://peltiertech.com/WordPress/2008/03/25/secondary-axes-in-charts-2/
http://peltiertech.com/WordPress/2008/03/26/secondary-axes-that-work-proportional-scales/

- Jon
-------
Jon Peltier, Microsoft Excel MVP
Tutorials and Custom Solutions
Peltier Technical Services, Inc. - http://PeltierTech.com
_______


Or for more Y-axes in Excel, try Multy_Y or EZplot at
www.OfficeExpander.com.
There is a Demo version to try.
Cheers!
 
R

Rich K

The capability to addmultipleaxeslooks nice, but it tends to confuse more
than help.

http://www.perceptualedge.com/artic...ordPress/2008/03/26/secondary-axes-that-work-...

- Jon
-------
Jon Peltier, MicrosoftExcelMVP
Tutorials and Custom Solutions
Peltier Technical Services, Inc. -http://PeltierTech.com
_______


Or for moreY-axesinExcel, try Multy_Y or EZplot atwww.OfficeExpander.com.
There is a Demo version to try.
Cheers!

More than just looking nice, the ability to have multiple axes is
viewed as essential in some professions, such as engineering.
Multiple Y axes provide more than a "magnitude" comparison, but can
actually aid in solving problems quickly by visual comparison. For
example, comparisons of temperatures, pressures and other (transient)
data can directly isolate issues in engine manufacturing and testing.
This includes stalls, sensor problems etc...

Therefore, it is a bit overstated to declare that multiple axes plots
are confusing when many people view them as not only clear and
accessible, but essential.
 
J

Jon Peltier

The vast majority of users of these newsgroups post on top. If you follow
suit, it will be easier to follow a thread.

I stand by my statement. While there are subsets of users that are
accustomed to multiple axis charts, even these users can be initially
distracted if the axes are not carefully planned and executed. IMO multiple
axes along the left side of a chart is one of the most confusing ways to
accomplish multiple scales. The user has to do a lot of work to correlate
each series to a particular scale. With the data overlapping, the impulse to
treat artifacts as real is hard to resist. Such an artifact would be where a
curve plotted on one scale intersects a second curve plotted on its own
scale.

The advantage of a panel type chart is that it simplifies the scales for
each panel, and it eliminates artifacts. You can still clearly compare in a
panel chart the positions of peaks, plateaus, slope changes, etc., in
different series.

I was trained as a scientist and worked as an engineer for two decades. I've
wrestled with many techniques for displaying information, and I've seen
cleverly designed axis scale mechanisms lead to much more confusion than
elucidation. The few situations that merit multiple scales have been where
opposite scales show alternated units for a given quantity, such as the
Fahrenheit and Celsius example I gave in one of the pages I cited, or where
a subset of data is displayed in a corner of the chart, as an inset, though
with perhaps one of the axes of the inset aligned with the axis of the main
chart.

I realize that you've got a product to sell, and in fact it looks like a
pretty well designed utility. The problem is that it makes it easy for
people to make nice looking but confusing charts.

- Jon
-------
Jon Peltier, Microsoft Excel MVP
Tutorials and Custom Solutions
Peltier Technical Services, Inc. - http://PeltierTech.com
_______


The capability to addmultipleaxeslooks nice, but it tends to confuse more
than help.
http://www.perceptualedge.com/articles/visual_business_intelligence/dual-scaled_axes.pdf
http://peltiertech.com/WordPress/2008/03/25/secondary-axes-in-charts-2/
http://peltiertech.com/WordPress/2008/03/26/secondary-axes-that-work-proportional-scales/


- Jon
-------
Jon Peltier, MicrosoftExcelMVP
Tutorials and Custom Solutions
Peltier Technical Services, Inc. -http://PeltierTech.com
_______


Or for moreY-axesinExcel, try Multy_Y or EZplot atwww.OfficeExpander.com.
There is a Demo version to try.
Cheers!

More than just looking nice, the ability to have multiple axes is
viewed as essential in some professions, such as engineering.
Multiple Y axes provide more than a "magnitude" comparison, but can
actually aid in solving problems quickly by visual comparison. For
example, comparisons of temperatures, pressures and other (transient)
data can directly isolate issues in engine manufacturing and testing.
This includes stalls, sensor problems etc...

Therefore, it is a bit overstated to declare that multiple axes plots
are confusing when many people view them as not only clear and
accessible, but essential.
 
R

Rich K

More than just looking nice, the ability to have multiple axes can be
viewed as essential in some professions, such as engineering.
Multiple Y axes can provide more than a "magnitude" comparison by
actually aid in solving problems quickly by visual comparison. For
example, comparisons of temperatures, pressures and other (transient)
data can directly isolate issues in engine manufacturing and testing.
This includes stalls, sensor problems etc...

Therefore, some people can find multiple axes plots to be not only
clear and
accessible, but essential.
 
R

Rich K

More than just looking nice, the ability to have multiple axes can be
viewed as essential in some professions, such as engineering.
Multiple Y axes can provide more than a "magnitude" comparison by
actually aid in solving problems quickly by visual comparison. For
example, comparisons of temperatures, pressures and other (transient)
data can directly isolate issues in engine manufacturing and testing.
This includes stalls, sensor problems etc...

Therefore, some people can find multiple axes plots to be not only
clear and accessible, but essential.
 
R

Rich K

More than just looking nice, the ability to have multiple axes can be
viewed as essential in some professions, such as engineering.
Multiple Y axes can actually aid in solving problems quickly by visual
comparison. For example, comparisons of temperatures, pressures and
other (transient) data can directly isolate issues in engine
manufacturing and testing. This includes stalls, sensor problems
etc...

Therefore, some people can find multiple axes plots to be not only
clear and accessible, but essential.
 
P

Peter T

Hi Jon,

I have not looked into the potential ambiguity of multiple Y-axis charts to
anything like the extent you have; however I have used, viewed and abused
them in many subject fields over many years.

To generalise, multi axis charts are used to compare changing states of
non-like but related properties. An example that most will have seen is
engine performance, where power and torque are plotted over rpm. Typically
of course the two Y axes are shown either side of the chart, and hopefully
even most casual viewers understand the chart.

Engine engineers (couldn't resist that) also need to plot many other facets
of engine performance (more recently to include various emission types vs
power, economy, temp, etc). I've seen the results of telemetry plotted both
with multiple Y axes and "panel type charts", even both on the same screen
with some dashboards thrown in!
While there are subsets of users that are
accustomed to multiple axis charts

This may be fundamental; the type of user that requires and, more
importantly, can correctly interpret multiple axis charts, such as engineers
I know who spend all day long looking at the charts I described above.

Regards,
Peter T
 
J

Jon Peltier

Peter -
This may be fundamental; the type of user that requires and, more
importantly, can correctly interpret multiple axis charts, such as
engineers
I know who spend all day long looking at the charts I described above.

In my experience, understanding such charts requires a depth of domain
knowledge that takes years to develop, as well as years of in-depth exposure
to such charts; even with this experience, some practitioners don't become
quite facile with them.

For 99.9% of the charts being made by 99.9% of Excel users, multiple axis
charts are the wrong way to proceed, even if panel or trellis charts take
more effort to construct. In general, Panel/Trellis/Small Multiple charts
are understood more rapidly and to a greater depth than multiple-axis
charts.

- Jon
 

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