How Many Laws did I break?

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I bought a HP PC with all the HP installed junk on it. It was made
clear to me I wouldn't be able to order a standard OEM DVD to reformat
and install just Windows - with nothing else.
So I downloaded it. Not from Bittorrent, but from IRC - I'm old school.
Once Idid that, I wiped the drive, installed Vista entered the COA
number and all was well. I went through all the Microsoft updates,
including the Genuine advantage updates. All it well, I registered my
copy of Windows and am installing only the programs I want, such as
Office '07.
Now, I was told that the OEM license somehow "requires" me to install
the HP junk. Can somebody show me the text where it says I'm required
to have HPs spyware installed on this machine? I skimmed the EULA and I
didn't see anything.
 
Justin said:
Now, I was told that the OEM license somehow "requires" me to install
the HP junk. Can somebody show me the text where it says I'm required
to have HPs spyware installed on this machine? I skimmed the EULA and I
didn't see anything.
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Because it's not there.
 
You could have saved yourself the trouble of downloading it, by borrowing a
Vista DVD.
All versions are contained on the one DVD.
The Product Key determines which version is installed.
 
If you violated any agreement (and I'm not saying you did because IANAL
anyway <G>) it would not be in the Windows EULA. Any agreement you broke
would be between you and HP, not you and Microsoft; so you'd need to check
any of the HP specific documentation and/or agreements to see if this is so.
 
So you know if you got some copy of windows and got your OEM key to work you
did infact violate Microsoft rules and HPs Rules Microsoft does not support
your OEM Computer the manufacture does and when you install someone else's
or any other Vista Operating System you void out you warranty and you in
fact can void your license. All you needed to do was uninstall every thing
you did not need that was all you just created more of a problem for
youself. Try getting you OEM Operating System and Software back on your
computer then try this web site it worked great for me hope it will work
for you. .pcdecrapifier.com/

Richard G. Harper said:
If you violated any agreement (and I'm not saying you did because IANAL
anyway <G>) it would not be in the Windows EULA. Any agreement you broke
would be between you and HP, not you and Microsoft; so you'd need to check
any of the HP specific documentation and/or agreements to see if this is
so.

--
Richard G. Harper [MVP Shell/User] (e-mail address removed)
* NEW! Catch my blog ... http://msmvps.com/blogs/rgharper/
* PLEASE post all messages and replies in the newsgroups
* The Website - http://rgharper.mvps.org/


Justin said:
I bought a HP PC with all the HP installed junk on it. It was made clear
to me I wouldn't be able to order a standard OEM DVD to reformat and
install just Windows - with nothing else.
So I downloaded it. Not from Bittorrent, but from IRC - I'm old school.
Once Idid that, I wiped the drive, installed Vista entered the COA number
and all was well. I went through all the Microsoft updates, including
the Genuine advantage updates. All it well, I registered my copy of
Windows and am installing only the programs I want, such as Office '07.
Now, I was told that the OEM license somehow "requires" me to install the
HP junk. Can somebody show me the text where it says I'm required to
have HPs spyware installed on this machine? I skimmed the EULA and I
didn't see anything.
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mike said:
So you know if you got some copy of windows and got your OEM key to work
you did infact violate Microsoft rules and HPs Rules Microsoft does not
support your OEM Computer the manufacture does and when you install
someone else's or any other Vista Operating System you void out you
warranty and you in fact can void your license. All you needed to do was
uninstall every thing you did not need that was all you just created more
of a problem for youself. Try getting you OEM Operating System and
Software back on your computer then try this web site it worked great for
me hope it will work
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This is incoherent and contradictory.
 
First of all if you buy or download a retail version of Windows XP or Vista
you can not use an OEM Product Key because the manufacture activates the
software and locks it to the bios called Bios Locking. On a retail version
there are people that do get that to work buy using counterfeit software. I
had both Microsoft and Hewlett Packard tell me that. This place is full of
people who know more than Microsoft and HP. If you all know more than them
get a job for them. Second when you buy a computer brand new you have to
accept the License to use that software and if you do not return it to where
you bought it do you know how read the license. If you do not agree than
quit using it. There is a lot of ways HP Can know if you are not using the
OEM Operating System and seems they are smarter than you LOL.
 
You did not violate any agreement at all...Not with MC or HP


Richard G. Harper said:
If you violated any agreement (and I'm not saying you did because IANAL
anyway <G>) it would not be in the Windows EULA. Any agreement you broke
would be between you and HP, not you and Microsoft; so you'd need to check
any of the HP specific documentation and/or agreements to see if this is
so.

--
Richard G. Harper [MVP Shell/User] (e-mail address removed)
* NEW! Catch my blog ... http://msmvps.com/blogs/rgharper/
* PLEASE post all messages and replies in the newsgroups
* The Website - http://rgharper.mvps.org/


Justin said:
I bought a HP PC with all the HP installed junk on it. It was made clear
to me I wouldn't be able to order a standard OEM DVD to reformat and
install just Windows - with nothing else.
So I downloaded it. Not from Bittorrent, but from IRC - I'm old school.
Once Idid that, I wiped the drive, installed Vista entered the COA number
and all was well. I went through all the Microsoft updates, including
the Genuine advantage updates. All it well, I registered my copy of
Windows and am installing only the programs I want, such as Office '07.
Now, I was told that the OEM license somehow "requires" me to install the
HP junk. Can somebody show me the text where it says I'm required to
have HPs spyware installed on this machine? I skimmed the EULA and I
didn't see anything.
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Bob said:
But he installed on the same machine. Same BIOS.

Also, if he got it activated and installed all the updates, then he is
"legal" as far as MS is concerned. It does not matter what HP thinks.

Yes, I know more than HP. That's why I don't work there.

The bottom line is he paid for a Vista license and he is using it.
That he is not using the HP installed version is of no consequence.
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Indeed. And the last time I called HP support for a client's PC they
said it was infected with a virus. The webcam wouldn't work. Here is a
transcript:

Kayleigh : Thank you for you are time.
Kayleigh : I request you to try with link:
Kayleigh :
http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/...ex?softwareitem=pv-51249-1&cc=us&lc=en&dlc=en
Kayleigh : Note : Copy the URL and paste in the address box of the
browser, then press Enter Key.
Justin : ok
Kayleigh : Please let me know if you are comfortable with the link
provided above.
Justin : Yes, I downloaded the file. sp35041.exe
Kayleigh : I request you to install that file.
Justin : I am now restarting the other machine.
Kayleigh : Okay.
Justin : No change. I have a yellow ! on the HP webcam in Device manager
Kayleigh : I suspect that it is the issue with Virus, I request you to
scan for virus and disable firewall and try to install any of the softpacs.
Justin : Virus?
Kayleigh : If issue still persists I request you to restore your
Notebook to factory settings.
Justin : I am running AVG anti virus. This is a clean install of
Windows, not more than two hours old.
Kayleigh : Yes, I have provided you all the possible drivers.
Justin : ok.
 
mike said:
So you know if you got some copy of windows and got your OEM key to work
you did infact violate Microsoft rules and HPs Rules Microsoft does not
support your OEM Computer the manufacture does and when you install
someone else's or any other Vista Operating System you void out you
warranty and you in fact can void your license. All you needed to do was
uninstall every thing you did not need that was all you just created
more of a problem for youself. Try getting you OEM Operating System and
Software back on your computer then try this web site it worked great
for me hope it will work for you. .pcdecrapifier.com/
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My problem with that site is the fact is is an improper solution. It is
a reactive solution, not a preventative one. Think about it. I have
two choices, let the mailman fall on his ass on my icy walkway, and
treat him for his injury, or I can dump some salt out there and prevent
the fall in the first place.
Which is the better solution?
 
Under NO circumstances should someone try to download/distribute ISO images for software
from a P2P file sharing site or use a second-hand burned copies of software. Research has shown
that about half of the software copies available on P2P download sites are infected with root kits,
spyware, Trojans, and other potentially harmful malware. One file in particular was very alarming.
This file was an administrator account giving the attacker full control over both your system and data.
I would be very concerned about your system integrity.

--
Carey Frisch
Microsoft MVP
Windows Desktop Experience

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I bought a HP PC with all the HP installed junk on it. It was made
clear to me I wouldn't be able to order a standard OEM DVD to reformat
and install just Windows - with nothing else.
So I downloaded it. Not from Bittorrent, but from IRC - I'm old school.
Once Idid that, I wiped the drive, installed Vista entered the COA
number and all was well. I went through all the Microsoft updates,
including the Genuine advantage updates. All it well, I registered my
copy of Windows and am installing only the programs I want, such as
Office '07.
Now, I was told that the OEM license somehow "requires" me to install
the HP junk. Can somebody show me the text where it says I'm required
to have HPs spyware installed on this machine? I skimmed the EULA and I
didn't see anything.
 
Carey said:
Under NO circumstances should someone try to download/distribute ISO images for software
from a P2P file sharing site or use a second-hand burned copies of software. Research has shown
that about half of the software copies available on P2P download sites are infected with root kits,
spyware, Trojans, and other potentially harmful malware. One file in particular was very alarming.
This file was an administrator account giving the attacker full control over both your system and data.
I would be very concerned about your system integrity.
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I already checked up on that. If MS sold OEM copies; I wouldn't have
this problem.
I'm paranoid about security; one step below tinfoil hat.
 
mike said:
First of all if you buy or download a retail version of Windows XP or
Vista you can not use an OEM Product Key because the manufacture activates
the software and locks it to the bios called Bios Locking. On a retail
version there are people that do get that to work buy using counterfeit
software. I had both Microsoft and Hewlett Packard tell me that. This
place is full of people who know more than Microsoft and HP. If you all
know more than them get a job for them. Second when you buy a computer
brand new you have to accept the License to use that software and if you
do not return it to where you bought it do you know how read the license.
If you do not agree than quit using it. There is a lot of ways HP Can know
if you are not using the OEM Operating System and seems they are smarter
than you LOL.
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Not all OEM versions of Windows are BIOS locked.
 
First of all when you buy an Computer from HP or Compaq all there operating
systems are locked to the Bios on all computers call HP for the truth if
that was not the case the why will an OEM HP Recovery CD not work on other
computers it says not for this computer so what the hell do you know
probably nothing when it comes to HP or Compaq All XP and Vista Operating
Systems are Locked to the Bios. You can get OEM illegal software off the
internet from hacked computers which is wrong and I know because I ran
across two sites that sell it. If you want the site to get some illegal
software I will give it two you. Get an OEM Factory Disk from HP and Try
using it on a different computer than the one intended and when it does not
work so be it then that will show ho much you know which is nothing.
 
mike said:
First of all when you buy an Computer from HP or Compaq all there
their...

operating systems are locked to the Bios on all computers call HP for
the truth if that was not the case the why will an OEM HP Recovery CD
not work on other computers it says not for this computer so what the
hell do you know probably nothing when it comes to HP or Compaq All XP
and Vista Operating Systems are Locked to the Bios. You can get OEM
illegal software off the internet from hacked computers which is wrong
and I know because I ran across two sites that sell it. If you want the
site to get some illegal software I will give it two you. Get an OEM
Factory Disk from HP and Try using it on a different computer than the
one intended and when it does not work so be it then that will show ho
much you know which is nothing.
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I have it working, with Windows update. All is well in the world of OEM
software.
 
Yeah how did you get your hands on OEM vista did you buy it. As far as I am
concerned when you erased hp software off your computer you voided out your
license that is how I see it. If your that worried about you security pussy
then get off the dam internet you go play at the park with your know one.
Did you call HP they are a hell of a lot smarter than you that is why they
know you are not using their operating system. HP does not spy on people all
the do is sell you a computer and someone like you should not own a computer
because you are very stupid. HP makes more money than you will ever see in
your life so what the hell is you problem with HP getting paid by companies
to put their software on your and every ones computers they sell Grow Up and
shut the hell up.
 
mike said:
Yeah how did you get your hands on OEM vista did you buy it. As far as I am
concerned when you erased hp software off your computer you voided out your
license that is how I see it. If your that worried about you security pussy
then get off the dam internet you go play at the park with your know one.
Did you call HP they are a hell of a lot smarter than you that is why they
know you are not using their operating system. HP does not spy on people all
the do is sell you a computer and someone like you should not own a computer
because you are very stupid. HP makes more money than you will ever see in
your life so what the hell is you problem with HP getting paid by companies
to put their software on your and every ones computers they sell Grow Up and
shut the hell up.
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You write and spell - and from all appearances, think - like a
ten-year old.

Follow your own advice (starting at: "Grow Up...")
 
Read what I posted: "Not all OEM versions of Windows are BIOS locked". An
OEM version of Windows is not a recovery disk. Not all - if any - OEM
Windows disk are BIOS locked.
 
Pete said:
Read what I posted: "Not all OEM versions of Windows are BIOS locked". An
OEM version of Windows is not a recovery disk. Not all - if any - OEM
Windows disk are BIOS locked.
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I have yet to encounter a bios locked OS of any kind.
 
Oh really I got Vista Preloaded on my computer and tried using my recovery
cds on my mothers Vista based computer and no work says these recovery cds
are not for this model please contact the manufacture for the correct
recovery disks so what the hell do you know apparently little or nothing.
They lock them to the bios to ensure the operating system stays with that
computer for the life of the computer and that is why you do not have to
activate it and can make all the hardware upgrades you want without the
activation hassles. You can not even get the OEM Disks to install so how the
hell do you know anything must be bios locked. Get over it you people that
say there is no bios locked operating systems is dumb and foolish to say
that do you ever browse HP Dells or Microsoft's Web sites probably not grow
up.
 
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