How long will Northwoods be available?

[Grumble]

Intel has nothing for the desktop market that can compete
with the various AMD64 processors. In the 2 way and 4 way
server market, there are a few cases where Itanic is a good
choice, but Opty beats Xeon in pretty much everything and
also beats Itanic in most things.

And yet "Itanium and Opteron show spotty sales".
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/05/28/itanium_opteron_q104/

It seems Xeon still rules that market.

 

[George Macdonald]

Plonk! This weeding out of useless posters really makes getting through
newsgroup reading quickly!

Between this and your mysterious revolutionary (proprietary ?) trading
"model"... <shrug>

Rgds, George Macdonald

"Just because they're paranoid doesn't mean you're not psychotic" - Who, me??

 

[Andy]

As for the original posters comments about all-Intel for servers, I
think the fact that Intel simply does not have a 4 processor
motherboard in it's entire line-up should tell him something. Intel
is well behind the 8-ball on the server front right now. Their Xeon
chips get pretty badly owned by the Opterons in raw 32-bit
performance, they don't have 64-bit capabilities, they don't have a
chipset capable of running 4P or 8P servers, they don't have any > 2P
motherboards, etc. etc.

What about this one with a serverworks chipset?:
http://www.intel.com/design/servers/blades/sbx44/

 

[George Macdonald]

And yet "Itanium and Opteron show spotty sales".
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/05/28/itanium_opteron_q104/

It seems Xeon still rules that market.

And that is what is known as "history".

Rgds, George Macdonald

"Just because they're paranoid doesn't mean you're not psychotic" - Who, me??

 

[George Macdonald]

What about this one with a serverworks chipset?:
http://www.intel.com/design/servers/blades/sbx44/

The trouble there is that Intel has cut Broadcom/Serverworks off at the
knees - the Xeon/P4 FSB license for higher speeds has been refused... and
of course Broadcom has jumped ship to AMD's Opteron for the future. I
can't help thinking Intel is cutting off its nose to spite its face here -
IOW the rancor from all the Broadcom litigation of the past few years means
they need to be put in their place... even if it hurts Intel. There is
also some doubt as to whether Broadcom has the talent to do the job after
their internal tiffs and related departures.

Rgds, George Macdonald

"Just because they're paranoid doesn't mean you're not psychotic" - Who, me??

 

[Tony Hill]

What about this one with a serverworks chipset?:
http://www.intel.com/design/servers/blades/sbx44/

Intel's white-box servers are a bit of an odd-ball, and they are sort
of an exception to the rule above. Intel does indeed sell 4-way
XeonMP servers using Serverworks chipsets, not only the blade server
you mention but also a rack-mounted and tower server as well. I
suppose you could say that they are offering a 4P motherboard with
these in that if you buy the whole server you get a motherboard with
it (of course it will only work in the Intel server).

I'm kind of guessing that these whitebox servers may end up
disappearing though, they don't seem to have succeeded at all in the
way Intel had planned. Originally it was supposed to be that Intel
would do the design work with these servers and then companies like
Dell and IBM would buy the whole system from Intel, slap their name on
it and sell them. However a few other companies beat Intel to the
punch and I'm not sure that any major vendor has ever offered an Intel
white-box server. Who knows though, they may still succeed. A couple
companies that have succeeded in this include MSI (IBM's x325 and x335
servers are both designed and built by them, and perhaps some others)
and Newisys (they designed Sun's AMD Opteron servers), so perhaps
there is room for Intel to compete here.

 

[Grumble]

It seems Xeon still rules [the 2-way and 4-way server] market.

And that is what is known as "history".

What do you mean?

Q1 2004 is already "history" ?

 

[George Macdonald]

It seems Xeon still rules [the 2-way and 4-way server] market.

And that is what is known as "history".

What do you mean?

Q1 2004 is already "history" ?

Of course it is... but the point is that we are in a major transition - a
watershed in the x-86 CPU form where the 32-bit x86 will be dead within a
year. x86-64 is a very small portion of the market but it had a huge
growth, 35% by accounts, in the last Q. When you count that Dell is equal
#3 in the server market and it doesn't have any x86-64s to sell, that
number is even more impressive.

Rgds, George Macdonald

"Just because they're paranoid doesn't mean you're not psychotic" - Who, me??

 

[Johannes H Andersen]

On Tue, 01 Jun 2004 03:26:01 GMT, "tony" [...]

Seriously though, who the heck reads newsgroups? Basically nobody in
the grand scheme of things. Same goes for the gamer sites,
overclocker sites, etc. The vast bulk of machines are simply
purchased as a Dell Dimension 8200 or an HP Compaq d530, very little
thought put into the nitty-gritty details.

Despite what some of us may like to think, we're in the definite
minority in this newsgroup in that we actually LIKE looking at the
nitty-gritty of computer internals.

My thoughts when I came home with a Gigabyte 875P mboard for me new PC.
It's really amazing complexity you get for the money. Think that the
mboard costs approximately about the same as a single 512MB stick and
compare how they look. Look at the hundreds of tiny resistors that are
soldered on with no margin of errors. OK so there is a lot of fine
silicon on the memory sticks, but just a though.

 

[Grumble]

AMD has made chipsets in the past but I think they got out of that
biz too.

They still make chipsets.

AMD-8000 Series Chipsets
http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/ProductInformation/0,,30_118_4699_4741,00.html

AMD Updates AMD-8000 Chipset Family
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/chipsets/display/20040614071459.html