How how do I get a ligature tie bar below two characters? Help

[Pamela Case]

The unicode character is 035C. I am using Word 2007 with Windows XP. When I
type the character between the two letters, select it, and key in ALT x, I
get the box that indicates a missing symbol. I can't find the symbol in the
Arial Unicode MS set under IPA extensions, yet it is an IPA symbol and it
does have a unicode character. Is there any way to make this work?
(If this appears twice, forgive me. I am new to this discussion and am
having some difficulty posting.)

 

[Peter T. Daniels]

The unicode character is 035C. I am using Word 2007 with Windows XP. WhenI
type the character between the two letters, select it, and key in ALT x, I
get the box that indicates a missing symbol. I can't find the symbol in the
Arial Unicode MS set under IPA extensions, yet it is an IPA symbol and it
does have a unicode character.  Is there any way to make this work?\

It's not under "IPA extensions," it's under "Combining diacritical
marks" (you can tell from its code number -- when you select a
character in Insert Symbol, it shows you its number; just keep
scrolling till you come to it).

(If this appears twice, forgive me. I am new to this discussion and am
having some difficulty posting.)

See extended discussion of your previous posting.

Don't "select" the Unicode code, just type the four digits (on the
regular keyboard) and press Alt-X.

 

[Pamela Case]

Thanks for your patient responding. When I scroll through the combining
diacritical marks section in either Arial Unicode MS or Lucida Sans Unicode,
I do not see the symbol and do not see the 035c code come up. When I type
a035cALT-xi using the regular key pad, I get just an empty box--neither the a
nor the i appears.

 

[Suzanne S. Barnhill]

I can confirm that Arial Unicode MS does not contain 035C, and I also get a
square when I use Alt+X. Perhaps this is something from another font that is
installed along with support for Asian languages? Or perhaps something else,
since MS Mincho has no Combining Diacritics at all.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
http://word.mvps.org

 

[Peter T. Daniels]

How old is your system? There are some Unicode ranges that aren't
covered by Windows XP, and there may be old versions of those fonts
that don't include the character.

Checking with BabelMap.exe, I find that the two "Unicode" fonts
_don't_ have all the Combining Diacritical Marks characters -- but
that the following fonts that you do have (they came with either
Windows or Office or both) do: Arial, Courier New, Microsoft Sans
Serif, Times New Roman, Tahoma, and probably Cambria Math.

But when the font in Insert Symbol is set to the first item ("normal
font" or something like that), it should show all the characters,
unless it was recently used set to some specific font. But when you
type the Unicode Alt-X for a character not in the font you happen to
be using, Word ought to substitute its default for the particular
missing character.

 

[Suzanne S. Barnhill]

Now this is interesting. I'm using Windows XP and Word 2003/2007 (including
the fonts installed with Word 2007). I do NOT see 035C in Cambria Math
(though it includes 035D). I would not expect to see it in any of the other
fonts, which are all older. Presumably when I get a Windows 7 laptop, I'll
have the versions you have.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
http://word.mvps.org

How old is your system? There are some Unicode ranges that aren't
covered by Windows XP, and there may be old versions of those fonts
that don't include the character.

Checking with BabelMap.exe, I find that the two "Unicode" fonts
_don't_ have all the Combining Diacritical Marks characters -- but
that the following fonts that you do have (they came with either
Windows or Office or both) do: Arial, Courier New, Microsoft Sans
Serif, Times New Roman, Tahoma, and probably Cambria Math.

But when the font in Insert Symbol is set to the first item ("normal
font" or something like that), it should show all the characters,
unless it was recently used set to some specific font. But when you
type the Unicode Alt-X for a character not in the font you happen to
be using, Word ought to substitute its default for the particular
missing character.

 

[Peter T. Daniels]

(I said _probably_ Cambria Math because it has not quite the full
number of characters in the range, and the display in BabelMap isn't
all that clear, especially for these characters that tend to pile up
on each other!) The tie ligature is definitely in the others that I
named.

 

[Pamela Case]

I have tried each of the fonts you listed, and don't find the symbol under
insert symbol in any of them and when I use the ALT-X method, just get the
empty box. The 035D is available in some of those fonts, but not 035C.

 

[Peter T. Daniels]

This is completely baffling -- maybe your TNR (etc.) came in with
Windows XP, and Office2007 didn't update it, so maybe you can get from
the MS website (somehow!) the font updates that come with Vista?? (Or
when you rush out to buy Windows 7, you'll get newer fonts?)