how do I stop Outlook from saving changes to received messages

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Guest

When I open an attachment on a message I received and maybe make some changes
and save the attachment, Outlook wants to save those changes back to the
original message. I find this stupid. Why would I want to change the content
of an email sent to me? The availability of this option effectively enables
me to falsify a received document and I do not want the possibility to arise
that I might reply yes accidentally.

How do I stop Outlook from prompting me to save changes to received messages?
 
L

L. D. James

Redman10 said:
When I open an attachment on a message I received and maybe make some
changes
and save the attachment, Outlook wants to save those changes back to the
original message. I find this stupid. Why would I want to change the
content
of an email sent to me? The availability of this option effectively
enables
me to falsify a received document and I do not want the possibility to
arise
that I might reply yes accidentally.

How do I stop Outlook from prompting me to save changes to received
messages?

A serious flaw if I've ever seen one. One little slip and you lose the
integrity of what you received forever.

-- L. James
 
B

Brian Tillman

Redman10 said:
When I open an attachment on a message I received and maybe make some
changes and save the attachment, Outlook wants to save those changes
back to the original message. I find this stupid. Why would I want to
change the content of an email sent to me? The availability of this
option effectively enables me to falsify a received document and I do
not want the possibility to arise that I might reply yes accidentally.

How do I stop Outlook from prompting me to save changes to received
messages?

Easy. Don't try to change the message. Save the attachment before trying
to modify it.
 
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Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]

Open the message first, then open the attachments. After editing, Office will ask you if you want to save the changes and if you answer "Yes" - it saves a copy of the item with a file name such as "attachment1." When you close the message and you are prompted for saving changes, answer no and everything remains the same iwth the edited version in your file system and the original unchanged in the email.

As for this being a flaw, it is not a flaw, just something along the learning curve highway.

--
Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]

Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. All
unsolicited mail sent to my personal account will be deleted without
reading.

After furious head scratching, Redman10 asked:

| When I open an attachment on a message I received and maybe make some
| changes and save the attachment, Outlook wants to save those changes
| back to the original message. I find this stupid. Why would I want to
| change the content of an email sent to me? The availability of this
| option effectively enables me to falsify a received document and I do
| not want the possibility to arise that I might reply yes accidentally.
|
| How do I stop Outlook from prompting me to save changes to received
| messages?
 
G

Guest

Yes, whoever decided on implementing this "feature" may have worked for Enron
in a previous life

Sed
 
L

L. D. James

Hi, Millie. It's definitely a flaw. I understand it and work around it by
being very careful. I work with many people that are not very computer
savvy. They open a mail, and try to view it by using the options to
download the imbedded pictures so that they can see how the email actually
looks. They might also click on some of the other view options such as
extra lines removed, extra lines restored. When they finish reading the
message, they might do as many of you have suggested, save what they were
looking at. They would think that reason would have gone into the
programming where they would be saving a copy. They would be surprised to
realize later that they can't find the original email with the original
date.

It would appear that the designers would have understood the importance of
retaining the integrity of the original.

I understand and appreciate your taking up for the programmers. But I'm
sure
they will soon realize this flaw and patch it.

These days, emails are being treated as important documents that are even
being presented
in courts of law. If a person reads it with Outlook, very easily, they
could lose the original they had received. With the date other items being
changed, it could
be any body's guess about any other components of the email's integrity.

I have the learning curve, and would never have a problem with the matter.
I developed this learning curve the hard way. Now when reading my archived
mail with Outlook, I handle it very careful. I wouldn’t want something
original from last year to have to be doctored up to get the original date
back.
I'm thinking about all the lawyers, doctors, mechanics and other
professionals who
don't have time (or concern) to learn computer programming and programming
concepts being left
behind the eight ball in this matter.

-- L. James

-------------------
L. D. James
(e-mail address removed)
www.apollo3.com/~ljames

"Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]"
Open the message first, then open the attachments. After editing, Office
will ask you if you want to save the changes and if you answer "Yes" - it
saves a copy of the item with a file name such as "attachment1." When you
close the message and you are prompted for saving changes, answer no and
everything remains the same iwth the edited version in your file system and
the original unchanged in the email.

As for this being a flaw, it is not a flaw, just something along the
learning curve highway.
 
F

F.H. Muffman

What I love is that in this thread, people are complaining because Microsoft
gives you the option to do something that could be considered a security
issue, and in another thread in the microsoft.public.outlook newsgroup
people are complaining because Microsoft *doesn't* give you the option to do
something that would be considered a security issue.

The moral? Nobody is 100% satisfied with the product. Ever. There's
always one little thing that isn't done the way you want, and some people
will say it's a good thing, and others will say it is a bad thing.

Oh, and FWIW, I think if *anyone* recognizes the issues surrounding
discoverability in e-mail, I'd say it's Microsoft. In spades.

L. D. James said:
Hi, Millie. It's definitely a flaw. I understand it and work around
it by being very careful. I work with many people that are not very
computer savvy. They open a mail, and try to view it by using the
options to download the imbedded pictures so that they can see how
the email actually looks. They might also click on some of the other
view options such as extra lines removed, extra lines restored. When
they finish reading the message, they might do as many of you have
suggested, save what they were looking at. They would think that
reason would have gone into the programming where they would be
saving a copy. They would be surprised to realize later that they
can't find the original email with the original date.

It would appear that the designers would have understood the
importance of retaining the integrity of the original.

I understand and appreciate your taking up for the programmers. But
I'm sure
they will soon realize this flaw and patch it.

These days, emails are being treated as important documents that are
even being presented
in courts of law. If a person reads it with Outlook, very easily,
they could lose the original they had received. With the date other
items being changed, it could
be any body's guess about any other components of the email's
integrity.
I have the learning curve, and would never have a problem with the
matter. I developed this learning curve the hard way. Now when
reading my archived mail with Outlook, I handle it very careful. I
wouldn’t want something original from last year to have to be
doctored up to get the original date back.
I'm thinking about all the lawyers, doctors, mechanics and other
professionals who
don't have time (or concern) to learn computer programming and
programming concepts being left
behind the eight ball in this matter.

-- L. James

-------------------
L. D. James
(e-mail address removed)
www.apollo3.com/~ljames

"Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]"
Open the message first, then open the attachments. After editing,
Office will ask you if you want to save the changes and if you answer
"Yes" - it saves a copy of the item with a file name such as
"attachment1." When you close the message and you are prompted for
saving changes, answer no and everything remains the same iwth the
edited version in your file system and the original unchanged in the
email.
As for this being a flaw, it is not a flaw, just something along the
learning curve highway.
 
G

Guest

Hi Milly

Thanks for your response but I believe this behaviour is wrong. It can
accidentally or otherwise place changes in an email sent to me that were not
the work or intention of the sender. It is an arbitary decision to install
this functionality, without my knowledge or consent, into outlook after I
purchased it and I suppose that is OK but I need a way to turn it off.

I could previously guarantee an email as the untouched work of the sender. I
can no longer do that and from what I can see there is no overt indication in
Outlook that the email has been updated (tampered with) after receipt.

How do I stop Outlook from prompting me to save changes to received messages?
 
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F.H. Muffman

Sed said:
Thanks for your response but I believe this behaviour is wrong. It can
accidentally or otherwise place changes in an email sent to me that
were not the work or intention of the sender. It is an arbitary
decision to install this functionality, without my knowledge or
consent, into outlook after I purchased it and I suppose that is OK
but I need a way to turn it off.

I could previously guarantee an email as the untouched work of the
sender. I can no longer do that and from what I can see there is no
overt indication in Outlook that the email has been updated (tampered
with) after receipt.

How could you guarantee that? Every version of Outlook has allowed you to
edit an email. Many mail clients out there will let you edit the message as
well. Even back in the old days, one could edit the actual file on the Unix
server.
How do I stop Outlook from prompting me to save changes to received
messages?

a) In Outlook 2007, attachments are opened as read-only. You can edit, but
in order to save, you have to do a Save As. No saving to the message at
all.

b) The saving to message functionality was pretty buggy anyways. Half the
time I'd get an unable to save message, some people say it actually ends up
deleting the attachment from the message, and, most of the rest of the time,
for me, it'd save, but the saved info wouldn't actually show in the email
attachment.

c) Pedantically speaking, you don't want it to not prompt you to save
changes. You want it to not allow you to save at all. If it didn't prompt
me, I'd be extremely concerned that it actually saved it.
 
B

Brian Tillman

Sed Mayne said:
Thanks for your response but I believe this behaviour is wrong. It can
accidentally or otherwise place changes in an email sent to me that
were not the work or intention of the sender.

No you can't. Outlook ASKS you if you want to want to save the changes to
the message. You must CHOOSE the Yes option. That simply CAN'T be done "by
accident." It's a completely voluntary act and completely under the control
of the person changing the message.
 
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L. D. James

F.H. Muffman said:
How could you guarantee that? Every version of Outlook has allowed you to
edit an email. Many mail clients out there will let you edit the message
as well. Even back in the old days, one could edit the actual file on the
Unix server.


a) In Outlook 2007, attachments are opened as read-only. You can edit,
but in order to save, you have to do a Save As. No saving to the message
at all.

b) The saving to message functionality was pretty buggy anyways. Half
the time I'd get an unable to save message, some people say it actually
ends up deleting the attachment from the message, and, most of the rest of
the time, for me, it'd save, but the saved info wouldn't actually show in
the email attachment.

c) Pedantically speaking, you don't want it to not prompt you to save
changes. You want it to not allow you to save at all. If it didn't
prompt me, I'd be extremely concerned that it actually saved it.

Hi, F.H. Muffman:
Interesting, you bring up Unix. Unix can be held up to such a high degree
for standards because of all the collaboration between so many that goes
into it. The standards and usability has always been so high that you can
use it for compare evaluations even today. However, as stable and organized
as it was back then, it wasn't perfect.

You're right; you could edit a message and edit the spool. While you could,
it wasn't something that happened naturally while just reading the message.
It was something you had to intentionally take the initiative to do. And by
your intentional actions, you knew you were doing it.

As I mentioned, with Outlook, when just reading a message and trying to view
it as it was intended, but clicking on the option to show the images and
original spaces and line feeds, suddenly when you finish reading the message
and decide to exit Outlook, you're prompt to save something. Since it wasn't
your intentions to edit an email someone sent you, you'd think, logically,
you were saving something on your hard drive, not going out and changing the
IMAP incoming mail spool that will change the original email that someone
sent to you.

You're right; Outlook 2007 isn't the only version with this blemish. I'll
remind you that I like Outlook and don't expect for any program to be
perfect. But I was responding to the original question, and hope that the
developers would take this into consideration. I believe it's a mistake.
If they want to save the message, save it as a copy, don't so easily change
the integrity of the original email that was sent to the user.

And, yes. I wouldn't matter whether there was a prompt or not, as long as
the prompt had to do with a copy and not the original message.

By the way, when I referred to previously guarantee un-tampered original, I
meant before reading with Outlook.

Hi, Brian:
Actually it can be done by accident. There are many times some application
will finish installing and give you a countdown to exit out of programs.
Sometimes no matter how careful a person happens to be, they might
mistakenly say yes, to confirm to close and loose the changes, or click yes,
to confirm to close and save the changes, especially if you have a lot of
Windows open. And yes, people are always multitasking. talking on the
phone, listening to the news, giving instructions to subordinates.

I'm sure you'll say that when Almighty Windows give you a prompt, the world
should stop so that you can be very careful not to make a mistake, but that
won't always happen. Because of the design, many people will hit the wrong
option and modify their original email when they only wanted to read the
immediate content and close the mail.

It's something as I mentioned, I can live with. However, it's something
that I believe warrants attention on the part of the developers. But if
more people would prefer that it stays the way it happens to be, I
understand. The developers wouldn't have a reason to look at the issue. If
a few people like the original poster call it to our attention (or other
flaws), I'll respond as I did, it's a flaw we'll have to live with. This
way, the user can stop trying to figure out how to find the switch to stop
it, and the developers can have a chance to consider addressing the issue.

Finally, a number of people are responding as if we are talking about
attachments. We are not talking about attachments that we can save to the
hard drive for viewing or handling. We are talking about simply reading a
email that was sent. Some of them don't have any pictures, or any links.
Outlook might indicate that his has removed extra lines that were included.
If you opt to view the messages as it was sent with all the linefeeds,
suddenly when you finish reading the email, you're prompted with modifying
the original email. This shouldn't appear in such an easy option to do
something that wasn't intentionally desired.

-- L. James
 

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