How do I apply a non-standard font size in Frontpage 2003

G

Guest

I have just upgraded to Frontpage 2003 and would link to be able to use font
sizes outside the standard 8, 10, 12, 14, 18, 24, 36 sizes shown in the drop
down on the toolbar in frontpage. Can I do this? And if so how.

Also it seems some of my installed fonts (eg Arial) no longer show up in the
font drop down - they were there for Frontpage 2000 - is there anything i
need to do here to get arial back into the menu?
 
A

Andrew Murray

You can actually type whatever font size you want in the Font dropdown box.
So if you want '13' instead of 12 or 14, just type '13' in the box

Any font installed on your system should show up in the font choices - don't
know why it wouldn't.
 
D

David Berry

You can use stylesheets (CSS) to make the font size anything you'd like. You
can use points, pixels, ems etc for font sizes. For example, if you wanted
the font to be 96Pt Arial you'd do this:

<style>
<!--
span.myFont { font-family: Arial; font-size: 92pt }
-->
</style>
</head>

<body>

<p><span class="myFont">Test</span></p>
 
W

Windsun

Points are for print, not websites.

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D

David Berry

Really. That's interesting since most web sites are in points (PT) and when
you choose a font and size from the font menu you're picking a point size.
What do you use? All the choices I indicated are valid.
 
M

Murray

That's interesting since most web sites are in points (PT)

Nonsense.

Points are defined as dots per inch. Inch means nothing on a pixel-based
screen. Points will give you unreliable sizing on the web.
you choose a font and size from the font menu you're picking a point size.
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Yes - and that's the wrong way to do it.

I use font size names - small, medium, large.
 
D

David Berry

Nonsense.

That's ridiculous. You may think of it as nonsense but that's the way
FrontPage works and anyone using it in a standard way is using points.
size=2 is a point size. It's valid HTML code and it's been in use for
years.
Yes - and that's the wrong way to do it.
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Then someone needs to tell the W3C, Microsoft and all the other makers of
web design software.

For the purposes of answering this person's question, points is valid. The
fact that there are other ways to do it or hat you *prefer* using size names
is great and I'm sure the people reading the post will be interesting to
know that however it doesn't make my response nonsense.

Everyone has their own opinions here about almost everything. Like Frames
etc but the fact is that Frames are valid and can be created with the tool.
If someone wants to know how to create them then we should be giving them
the answer. If our *opinion* is that they shouldn't use them that's fine
but I like to give people the choice. After all, it's their web site.

Dave
 
M

Murray

anyone using it in a standard way is using points.

I don't think that's correct.
It's valid HTML code and it's been in use for years.
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And it's wrong.
Then someone needs to tell the W3C, Microsoft and all the other makers of
web design software.
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Find me a page on W3's site that uses points.

Here's where you could/would use points - in a print stylesheet. It's not a
reliable metric for screen display.
points is valid.
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Yes, but misleading.
it doesn't make my response nonsense.
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What was nonsense in your post was your assertion that:
 
W

Windsun

I would NOT say that most websites are in points. A very few are yes, but
they also are not using CSS or text formatting correctly. To display fonts
correctly they should be in px, em, or percent usually.

Points are a unit physical length. There are 72 points per inch. Now tell me
what size screen or what resolution will come out to exactly 72 points per
inch every time.....

To see how far off points can be see this chart
http://www.sibagraphics.com/font.php



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T

Thomas A. Rowe

There is no requirements or standards that says a web designer / developer must use CSS, etc. and as
long as the text appears in the browsers, then it is formatted correctly. Currently all browsers
support the choices Dave indicated in his reply.

I personally do not use CSS for much of anything, and prefer to stick with font tags, as it makes my
life easier then having to deal with CSS.

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W

Windsun

If you are using points in FP then you must have found something I cannot
find.

Using points vs other methods of sizing is NOT "a matter of opinion". Points
for web pages is flat wrong - unless your monitor is exactly 72 dots per
inch.

And before you go citing W3C, explain why they say specifically that em's or
percent are preferred, and they also say that points (quote) "should be
specified only in CSS style sheets specifically for print media"

Do any search on the web for points vs pixels and you will see 100 against
points for every one you see for points. And there are good reasons for
that.

Unless you don't care how your site displays.

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D

David Berry

If you are using points in FP then you must have found something I cannot
find.
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When you choose Format, Font what do you think the little "pt" after the
size number means?
And before you go citing W3C, explain why they say specifically that em's
or percent are preferred, and they also say that points (quote) "should be
specified only in CSS style sheets specifically for print media"
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I never said they did. What I meant is that points are valid HTML code
according to the W3C specs. I never said they use them or recommend them.
and they also say that points (quote) "should be specified only in CSS
style sheets specifically for print media"
Click to expand...

Where did I ever say that?
 
W

Windsun

Yes they are valid HTML code.

No that does not mean they are suitable. White text on white pages is also
valid HTML.

Two different issues.

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