Horizonal Autoscroll of trees is the WORST new Vista feature

[MichaelDouglasKrause]

Is it just me or does anyone else hate the fact that whenever you are
browsing something in a tree, Vista tries to be smarter than you and
horizontally scrolls the tree for you?

This has got to be one of the more annoying "features" added to
Vista.

Here is the use case:

User brings up Windows Explorer
User navigates around the tree several levels deep looking for a
folder
While user is trying to read the name of the folder, or is looking at
nearby folders, Windows Explorer scrolls the portion of the tree user
is trying to read out of view

Result: User can't read what was on the screen because explorer
apparently knows better what user should be looking at

The development team should be ashamed of themselves for this one for
seemingly not having tested this with actual human beings.

Now for the big question: How the hell do I turn this feature off?

- Mike

 

[GTS]

It's not just you. It's an incredibly stupid and annoying "feature". In
addition to the annoyances you mentioned, if you click on a file name to
copy or rename it it may suddenly jump out of view. Many have complained
about it, but no one has yet reported a way to turn it off.

 

[Saucy]

Is it just me or does anyone else hate the fact that whenever you are
browsing something in a tree, Vista tries to be smarter than you and
horizontally scrolls the tree for you?

This has got to be one of the more annoying "features" added to
Vista.

Here is the use case:

User brings up Windows Explorer
User navigates around the tree several levels deep looking for a
folder
While user is trying to read the name of the folder, or is looking at
nearby folders, Windows Explorer scrolls the portion of the tree user
is trying to read out of view

Result: User can't read what was on the screen because explorer
apparently knows better what user should be looking at

The development team should be ashamed of themselves for this one for
seemingly not having tested this with actual human beings.

Now for the big question: How the hell do I turn this feature off?

- Mike

Funny, I like that feature. If I want to see the whole tree I just widen the
column - what's a big monitor for anyway?

Saucy

 

[MichaelDouglasKrause]

Funny, I like that feature. If I want to see the whole tree I just widen the
column - what's a big monitor for anyway?

Saucy

A big monitor is for placing lots of other windows besides just
explorer on the desktop. I have a two-monitor setup with combined
screen resolution of 2560x1024 pixels. The point is - if I want to
scroll to see something in the tree, let the user do it. If you like
the feature - I think that's great. I just need a way to turn it off
because I HATE it.

 

[Synapse Syndrome]

A big monitor is for placing lots of other windows besides just
explorer on the desktop. I have a two-monitor setup with combined
screen resolution of 2560x1024 pixels. The point is - if I want to
scroll to see something in the tree, let the user do it. If you like
the feature - I think that's great. I just need a way to turn it off
because I HATE it.

The really annoying thing is that still does this with a MS Intellimouse
that has sideways scrolling anyway.

PS. I have twin screens as well. You might be interested in UltraMon,
which gives you a few extra features when using more than one screen. The
best bit is that it gives you Taskbars on the other screens as well.

www.ultramon.com

ss.

 

[I eat vista]

Yeah its another one of those details that I don't mention.. but its
irritating..

I have found very little real improvements in vista, but literally thousands
of
stupid mistakes and bad designs, vista is crap.

 

[I eat vista]

he is also forgetting that not everyone has large monitors...
But even I that have 2 monitors 23 inch.. it still irritates me!

also vista should be able to be used on small monitors for various
reasons...

there should be an option to turn it off.. I agree 1000%

 

[I eat vista]

I use ultramon... its great.. although vista should have had taskbars for
secondary monitors built into the GUI..

oh com on.. what did vista add? gadgets and crap? This was something they
were saying that they would add on longhorn.. they removed that too when the
butchered longhorn into the crapista-vista

 

[Marco Desloovere]

Is it just me or does anyone else hate the fact that whenever you are
browsing something in a tree, Vista tries to be smarter than you and
horizontally scrolls the tree for you?

This has got to be one of the more annoying "features" added to
Vista.

Here is the use case:

User brings up Windows Explorer
User navigates around the tree several levels deep looking for a
folder
While user is trying to read the name of the folder, or is looking at
nearby folders, Windows Explorer scrolls the portion of the tree user
is trying to read out of view

Result: User can't read what was on the screen because explorer
apparently knows better what user should be looking at

The development team should be ashamed of themselves for this one for
seemingly not having tested this with actual human beings.

Now for the big question: How the hell do I turn this feature off?

- Mike

The reason why this feature annoys you is probably because you're not
using it correctly.
You are in fact looking at one item, but your mouse pointer is pointing
at another.
You need to *synchronize* the two, and you'll yet come to like that
feature.
Just try it.

Marco

 

[MichaelDouglasKrause]

(e-mail address removed) [Tue, 18 Sep 2007 17:09:07 -0000] wrote:

Is it just me or does anyone else hate the fact that whenever you are
browsing something in a tree, Vista tries to be smarter than you and
horizontally scrolls the tree for you?

This has got to be one of the more annoying "features" added to
Vista.

Here is the use case:

User brings up Windows Explorer
User navigates around the tree several levels deep looking for a
folder
While user is trying to read the name of the folder, or is looking at
nearby folders, Windows Explorer scrolls the portion of the tree user
is trying to read out of view

Result: User can't read what was on the screen because explorer
apparently knows better what user should be looking at

The development team should be ashamed of themselves for this one for
seemingly not having tested this with actual human beings.

Now for the big question: How the hell do I turn this feature off?

- Mike

The reason why this feature annoys you is probably because you're not
using it correctly.
You are in fact looking at one item, but your mouse pointer is pointing
at another.
You need to *synchronize* the two, and you'll yet come to like that
feature.
Just try it.

Marco

Marco,

The fact that I have to modify my behavior to conform to the way a
software engineer has implemented a feature is proof positive that the
program model and the user model are off-kilter. Microsoft XP's trees
do not have this behavior and that is what I am used to. In fact it's
what millions of Windows users before Vista are used to. Now they've
changed the default behavior in Vista and it is not what I'm used to.
Some people won't care and will like it, but I would argue many people
do care and are annoyed by it.

Again, if you like this feature, great. I'm very happy for you. All
I'm asking for is a way to turn it off.

Are there any Microsofties reading this news group? If so, can you
provide any input on how to toggle this autoscroll feature? Please?

- Mike

 

[MichaelDouglasKrause]

(e-mail address removed) [Tue, 18 Sep 2007 17:09:07 -0000] wrote:

Is it just me or does anyone else hate the fact that whenever you are
browsing something in a tree, Vista tries to be smarter than you and
horizontally scrolls the tree for you?
This has got to be one of the more annoying "features" added to
Vista.
Here is the use case:
User brings up Windows Explorer
User navigates around the tree several levels deep looking for a
folder
While user is trying to read the name of the folder, or is looking at
nearby folders, Windows Explorer scrolls the portion of the tree user
is trying to read out of view
Result: User can't read what was on the screen because explorer
apparently knows better what user should be looking at
The development team should be ashamed of themselves for this one for
seemingly not having tested this with actual human beings.
Now for the big question: How the hell do I turn this feature off?
- Mike

The reason why this feature annoys you is probably because you're not
using it correctly.
You are in fact looking at one item, but your mouse pointer is pointing
at another.
You need to *synchronize* the two, and you'll yet come to like that
feature.
Just try it.

Marco

Marco,

The fact that I have to modify my behavior to conform to the way a
software engineer has implemented a feature is proof positive that the
program model and the user model are off-kilter. Microsoft XP's trees
do not have this behavior and that is what I am used to. In fact it's
what millions of Windows users before Vista are used to. Now they've
changed the default behavior in Vista and it is not what I'm used to.
Some people won't care and will like it, but I would argue many people
do care and are annoyed by it.

Again, if you like this feature, great. I'm very happy for you. All
I'm asking for is a way to turn it off.

Are there any Microsofties reading this news group? If so, can you
provide any input on how to toggle this autoscroll feature? Please?

- Mike

By the way Marco, you'd make a fine engineer at Microsoft!

 

[Andrew McLaren]

Are there any Microsofties reading this news group? If so, can you
provide any input on how to toggle this autoscroll feature? Please?

Hi Mike,

I also dislike this "feature" (I was gonna say "hate" ... in fact, yeah: I
hate it!).

Microsoft does not seem to actively monitor this newsgroup for product
feedback. To register your feedback with Microsoft, go to this page:

http://feedback.windowsvista.micros...tp://support.microsoft.com/gp/cp_vista_master

If we all submit reports, they may relent and change the behaviour (or make
it an optional feature).

Cheers,

 

[Stephan Rose]

Hi Mike,

I also dislike this "feature" (I was gonna say "hate" ... in fact, yeah:
I hate it!).

Microsoft does not seem to actively monitor this newsgroup for product
feedback. To register your feedback with Microsoft, go to this page:

http://feedback.windowsvista.microsoft.com/eform.aspx? productkey=winvista&mkt=en-us&backurl=http://support.microsoft.com/gp/
cp_vista_master

If we all submit reports, they may relent and change the behaviour (or
make it an optional feature).

If they do, they'll probably make it an Ultimate Extra =)

--
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[DanS]

The reason why this feature annoys you is probably because you're not
using it correctly.
You are in fact looking at one item, but your mouse pointer is pointing
at another.
You need to *synchronize* the two, and you'll yet come to like that
feature.
Just try it.

Marco

So what you are really saying is that it's the OP's fault because they
don't know how to use Vista properly ?

Figures...........

 

[Saucy]

So what you are really saying is that it's the OP's fault because they
don't know how to use Vista properly ?

Figures...........

The feature makes sense. When one points the mouse at a folder it moves into
view so one can read the name etc. etc. I like it, these guys don't. What I
like better though is simpler: just widen the view of the folder tree a bit.
They make such a big deal out of doing so, but on the big monitors of today
it's utterly inconsequential to widen it, just a tad and that solves it ..
an itty bit over, that's all, no big deal, get over yourselves.

Saucy

 

[Stephan Rose]

The feature makes sense. When one points the mouse at a folder it moves
into view so one can read the name etc. etc. I like it, these guys
don't. What I like better though is simpler: just widen the view of the
folder tree a bit. They make such a big deal out of doing so, but on the
big monitors of today it's utterly inconsequential to widen it, just a
tad and that solves it .. an itty bit over, that's all, no big deal,
get over yourselves.

And what exactly do you know about the persons directory structure? If
it's something like 10 levels deep or so, widening it a "tad" isn't going
to do much of anything.

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[Saucy]

And what exactly do you know about the persons directory structure? If
it's something like 10 levels deep or so, widening it a "tad" isn't going
to do much of anything.

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Only ten? Sure it will. I'm looking at one fourteen deep right now.

Saucy

 

[Marco Desloovere]

(e-mail address removed) [Tue, 18 Sep 2007 17:09:07 -0000] wrote:

Is it just me or does anyone else hate the fact that whenever you are
browsing something in a tree, Vista tries to be smarter than you and
horizontally scrolls the tree for you?

This has got to be one of the more annoying "features" added to
Vista.

Here is the use case:

User brings up Windows Explorer
User navigates around the tree several levels deep looking for a
folder
While user is trying to read the name of the folder, or is looking at
nearby folders, Windows Explorer scrolls the portion of the tree user
is trying to read out of view

Result: User can't read what was on the screen because explorer
apparently knows better what user should be looking at

The development team should be ashamed of themselves for this one for
seemingly not having tested this with actual human beings.

Now for the big question: How the hell do I turn this feature off?

- Mike

The reason why this feature annoys you is probably because you're not
using it correctly.
You are in fact looking at one item, but your mouse pointer is pointing
at another.
You need to *synchronize* the two, and you'll yet come to like that
feature.
Just try it.

Marco

Marco,

The fact that I have to modify my behavior to conform to the way a
software engineer has implemented a feature is proof positive that the
program model and the user model are off-kilter.

It took me a few seconds. No big deal.

Microsoft XP's trees
do not have this behavior and that is what I am used to.

Unfortunately I don't know XP well enough. I'll have a look at that
particular feature the next time I get the chance.

In fact it's
what millions of Windows users before Vista are used to. Now they've
changed the default behavior in Vista and it is not what I'm used to.

Well, if a company has a market share of 90%, they tend to get very
arrogant and user-unfriendly.

Some people won't care and will like it, but I would argue many people
do care and are annoyed by it.

Some people are also annoyed by rain and/or George W. Bush.

Again, if you like this feature, great. I'm very happy for you.

I didn't say that I liked that feature, but it just doesn't bother me.

All
I'm asking for is a way to turn it off.

Sorry, no can help.

Marco

 

[Marco Desloovere]

So what you are really saying is that it's the OP's fault because they
don't know how to use Vista properly ?

How come that I don't have problems with it?

Figures...........

If you scratch yourself long enough, you'll start bleeding.
Whose fault is that?

Marco

 

[Marco Desloovere]

By the way Marco, you'd make a fine engineer at Microsoft!

In a previous life I was indeed a fine software engineer, but not at
fine Microsoft.
And I do not own fine Microsoft stock either... >:->

Marco