Help Resetting Passwords on XP

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Rick,

What happened to the userinit registry string? Windows update
rebooted the PC. Why would it corrupt the string in the registry?

Note that userinit.exe file looks good. It's the same as the one on
the kid's PC.

M.
 
Mark said:
I posted earlier about Windows Updates screwing up and not accepting
any passwords (it would login and then quickly log out). Good I
was able to get the Recovery Console to give us access to the disk. We
can see C and D drives and all files are there.

Is there a way to clobber/reset passwords from the command prompt?

Our first instinct was to stick a USB Drive in and copy stuff, but the
USB drivers don't appear to be there on the recovery console.


Unable to Log on if the Boot Partition Drive Letter Has Changed
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=249321

How to restore the system/boot drive letter in Windows
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=223188

The two KB articles requires the use of a networked machine to gain access
to the registry. You could also perform the registry edits via BartPE
bootable CD. Or you can *slave* the hard drive to another working XP machine
to make the registry edits. If you need help on doing this please let me
know.
 
Having your wife breathing down your neck won't
help you solve the problem. Asking every Tom, Dick
and Harry is like consulting a dozen different doctors
and getting fourteen different opinions. Ask your wife
to leave you in peace, concentrate on the respondents
who appear to know what they are talking about (selecting
an MVP is a fair guide), then take things easy.

Unfortunately it may be too late to save your installation
because you may have gotten into a quagmire by attempting
a repair job where none was needed. Your system may
now be in an unstable condition, with no way out other
than a complete reload.

The command "fixmbr" often allows Windows to recover.
Sometimes it does not.

It would take me some twenty minutes to document my option
d) but I won't spend the time unless you get serious by
concentrating on this branch of the two threads.

I'll wait for your response.
 
hehe...does "best of luck" mean...."dude you're screwed?" :)

Is there such a thing as a dos-level regedit for XP? I know they
exist for Win-95, but can't find one for XP.

Also, next time you talk to some folks at Microsoft, please let them
know that their Windows Update (and System Recovery) software sucks. I
think it's ridiculous that there isn't any low level software that
says go back to "User-Specified-Date" registry hive.

When it works, Windows is good...better than Linux, IMO. But, when
it's broken, XP is crappy software, and we're stuck with it because we
let microsoft be a monopoly. Imagine if our local telephones were like
this :)

M.
 
Hi William,

I tried all of those, except BartPE. I avoided Bart because he wants
you to pay for CD boot image (not that I blame him!). Maybe I'll blow
all day tomorrow on Bart-stuff. I tried everything else today.

That Norwegian/Russian software is pretty awesome:

http://home.eunet.no/~pnordahl/ntpasswd/bootdisk.html

I'm assuming it's like BartPE, in that it completely unlocks the C
drive (unlike the stupid Recovery Console). The problem is that it's
Registry Editor is only for Win95, and it cannot do mixed FAT32/NTFS
systems (which I have).

Thanks.
 
Mark said:
Rick,

I think you are dead-on-right. The password seems to be accepted, then
the custom background is shown (mine is airplanes, my wife's is a pic
of the kids), then we're summarily logged off.

Note that I grabbed userinit.exe off the kid's PC (also XP Home SP2)
and copied it to wsaupdater.exe on my wife's as you suggested. I noted
that it's exactly the same size. In the end it didn't help.

Ideas?


You have to edit the appropriate entry in the registry, not replace the
file. All the info on what to do is in that link.
 
You don't buy the CD image, you create this image yourself with your Win XP
CD. As far as I know BartPE is a free program. Maybe you clicked on one
those Google Ads.

Bart's Preinstalled Environment (BartPE) bootable live windows CD/DVD
http://www.nu2.nu/pebuilder/
 
Hi William,

Great link! I was able to DL it, build the image and make a bootable
CD, and then use it to get files off my wife's PC and onto my 1 GB USB
memory stick.

Why the heck can't Microsoft make a utility like this?

Thanks for your help.

M.
 
Great link! I was able to DL it, build the image and make a bootable
CD, and then use it to get files off my wife's PC and onto my 1 GB USB
memory stick.

Yep. Bart PE absolutely rocks.
Why the heck can't Microsoft make a utility like this?

Heh ... never ask a geek a rhetorical question ;-)

He doesn't - Bart PE is free. He may have other products that are not
(something has to cross-subsidize Bart PE development?) such as
pro-grade CD boot management software or something.

I bounced off that URL - i.e. the web browser found it just fine, but
I can't fit the text into my brain at the moment. Laaaater...

A Win9x interactive registry editor would be a good thing to have.

On RC, Bart and other mOS candidates, see the rather dated...

http://cquirke.mvps.org/whatmos.htm

....which I wrote before I *really* got into Bart PE :-)

Registry settings, applied ahead of time, can make RC slightly less
useless, but it is not an OS (can't run arb apps), thus is not a mOS
(maintenance Operating System). Think of it as being like ye olde
Norton DiskTool.exe for DOS; a canned set of useful tools.

Now then, are we sitting comfortably? Then let's chew on this...
Why the heck can't Microsoft make a utility like this?

How can MS so fail to understand stand-alone and unmanaged PC users?
Or do they know our needs, but ignore them anyway?

1) Lack of vision

There are several reasons why MS might not really understand how we
work and what we need, based on their assumption base.

Windows is either licensed on a retail basis, in which case MS garners
experience via PSS, or on an OEM basis, in which case support is by
the OEM or reseller thereof, and MS is out of the experience loop.

The relationship between MS and OEMs is dominated by the largest OEMs,
who have the power to demand concessions from MS by virtue of product
volume. These OEMs also do quite a bit of development when it comes
to pre-installing the OS; this is the market for which MS's closest
approach to a mOS - Windows PE - was developed.

Unfortunately, MS takes the abysmal service standards of large OEMs as
the norm. The typical large-OEM "service" approach is:
- wipe the HD and rebuild the installation via "restore" CD
- if that fails, issue an RMA to manage suspected hardware defects
- if that "wotrks", close the case as having been "fixed"

MS also evaluates users according to certain typical profiles, such as
the power user, the newbie home user, and so on. But they assume
these users exist in a vacuum, with no support resources other than
PSS (for the rare consumer that buys Windows as an upgrade) or OEMs,
where large-OEM "support" is the yardstick.

Here, most PCs are built by small custom builder/resellers or general
component distributors who assemble thier own generic PCs. Many of
these are too small to create their own automated installation
procedures, doing the same interactive install that end-users do.

These small OEMs are referred to as the DSP (Delivery Service Partner)
market, and speaking as a DSP in South Africa, I can tell you the
relationship between MS and DSPs is virtually non-existant, other than
promotional blurb. Specifically, there is no flow of tech support
information in either direction, nor are resources such as Service
Packs and other large downloads on CD, etc. provided.

In practice, the user's biggest concern is data loss, file system
corruption, and malware infection. None of these are the
responsibility of MS or OEM in warranty terms, but they are the bread
and butter for techs working for the user, as opposed to techs who
merely discharge a vendor's obligations as quickly as possible.

So you can see why MS may not "get" the need for a mOS from which data
can be recovered, file systems can be interactively repaired, and
malware can be formally detected and managed. Every fast-arrival at
just wipe and re-install" is further evidence of this lack of clue.

2) Conflicting agendas

Win9x was designed as a stand-alone OS for consumers, whereas NT was
designed as a network client for professionally-managed business
environments. With XP, this network client design has simply been
dropped into consumerland as-is, with a few dummy-down concessions to
the percieved needs of this market, and certain pro-grade
functionalities ripped out to stop bizworld catching a cheap lunch.

MS takes the consumer market for granted; there's hardly any
competitive pressure there. MS's competitive need was to demonstrate
they could scale up to enterprise level, and thus take on Linux
servers and UNIX/proprietary "big" systems.

So most of the focus has been on professional network management based
on corporate needs. PCs are beholden to The Server, from which the
Network Administrator's wishes are imposed, locking down what the user
can do. Users have limited roles, and so it makes sense to define
access rights in terms of what user or user role is in effect. All
data is on The Server, so the PCs that users actually use are
disposable; just wipe and rebuild, who cares what user preferences are
lost? No user at the keyboard should ever trump the Network Admin.

This is the complete opposite of what we want for our stand-alone PCs,
where NO "remote admin" is to ever attain any position of power over
the system. We generally physically secure our PCs, so it's usually
keyboard-uber-alles; user roles vary, and we generally fret less about
user A seeing user B's data than losing access to data altogether -
which is a real risk, given that these PCs generally do not have
backup devices or even the nominal MS Backup installed.

It all boils down to this: Who wins, a notional "administrator" that
seeks to assert control via automation or network, or the user at the
keyboard? Pro is for the first, Home is supposed to be the second,
and never will these divergent needs be met in the same product.

We need a mOS to recover data irrespective of the state of the system,
and assert our management objectives irrespective of how the system
may be set to block these. But what is a mOS to us, is a fearsome
hacking tool to the pro-admin'd network environment - and guess who
wins, when those agendas collide?

So you are sentenced to lose your data and have to surrender your
installation to any halfway-difficult malware, so that pro-managed
networks can be protected against anyone with physical access who
would be able to override administrative controls.

A large part of today's malware pain is a direct result of using a
network client OS as an unmanaged stand-alone OS. Home users are
expected to model their PC use on a notional corporate organogram,
with the same user pretending to be a limited employee one moment, and
then pretending to be the network administrator the next. Pathetic.


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Damn! I sense I touched a little nerve there wrt Microsoft :)

Thanks for all the great help. Getting BartPE working, saving the
files off onto a USB Memory Stick, reinstalling windows...PC was back
up (and booting faster than ever) in less than a day.

Mark
 
Damn! I sense I touched a little nerve there wrt Microsoft :)

As a co-sufferer and co-questioner, yes ;-)
Thanks for all the great help. Getting BartPE working, saving the
files off onto a USB Memory Stick, reinstalling windows...PC was back
up (and booting faster than ever) in less than a day.

Bart seriously rocks, eh? <g>


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