Help me keep this drive working long enough to rescue data from it...

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bughunter.dustin

Shhhh, I'm just after the drives...

Why would you want them? Their huge! They take up an entire 5 1/4 bay
man! ugly things.

if you really must have one, find a junked HP or compaq, one of the
little ATX jobbies. it's in there.
(you do need to work on your sense of humor).

I'm a programmer.....:)
 
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Meat Plow

One can never be sure when it comes to you. :) Did you checkout those
torrents yet? I should have asked if you even do the torrent thing before
suggesting them... My bad.

I use BitTorrent. Just learning the ropes.
 
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Pennywise

(e-mail address removed) wrote:

|>
|>[email protected] wrote:
|>
|>> Shhhh, I'm just after the drives...
|>
|>Why would you want them? Their huge! They take up an entire 5 1/4 bay
|>man! ugly things.

I got one of these http://tinyurl.com/nuhcj (looks like) awaiting only
the elusive XP drivers for the Ultra2SSCI card. I could make room for
an ATA .

Hopefully Ubuntu will have one...

|>> (you do need to work on your sense of humor).

|> I'm a programmer.....:)

One word, SOFTICE http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SoftICE
 
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Pennywise

|>On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 07:35:42 -0700, bughunter.dustin wrote:
|>
|>>
|>> Meat Plow wrote:
|>>
|>>> Don't be such a ****ing imbecile and recognize a joke when you see it.
|>>
|>> One can never be sure when it comes to you. :) Did you checkout those
|>> torrents yet? I should have asked if you even do the torrent thing before
|>> suggesting them... My bad.

|>I use BitTorrent. Just learning the ropes.

http://utorrent.com/ it's actually faster than the rest and is only
around 180K.

testing ground: http://thepiratebay.org/browse.php
 
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bughunter.dustin

I got one of these http://tinyurl.com/nuhcj (looks like) awaiting only
the elusive XP drivers for the Ultra2SSCI card. I could make room for
an ATA .

Nice! A co worker has one as well, We have it setup for NAS work.
Essentially, it's connected to a clone computer which runs naslite.
Maps the drives to our lan.
|> I'm a programmer.....:)

One word, SOFTICE http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SoftICE

They don't have a sense of humour either. I'm very familiar with the
program, it's been one of my favorite debugging apps since the DOS
days. :)
 
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bughunter.dustin

Meat said:
I use BitTorrent. Just learning the ropes.

Sweet. First, dump bittorrent, next, get utorrent.

Some sites worth learning:


www.demonoid.com (if you want an invite, I'll send you one)
www.mininova.org
www.meganova.org
www.piratic.org
www.torrentspy.com

Snag yourself a copy of peerguardian2 and keep it updated before
torrenting. While it doesn't prevent 100% riaa/mpaa persons from seeing
what your xferring, it goes a long long ways.

One of the most important.. ehh, rules of torrents. If you download a
torrent, you should keep your client open so that it can return as much
as you've leeched to other people who haven't already got it.
 
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Mike Tomlinson

In the same vein as John Holmes, might use a can of air (what you
remove dust with) and spray it on the circuit board to cool it down.
grab what you want if it work.

While I've never seen this work on a hard drive or had the chance to.

I've done it successfully to recover data on a Fujitsu MPG series drive
which had the failing Cirrus Logic chip (a google will tell you more),
but had to use several cans of freezer spray. The drive's owner was
very relieved though, as it contained the only copy of her PhD thesis.
 
P

Pete

I could use some ideas on this. Anyone have any suggestions on things I
could try to nurse the drive along long enough to pull data off it?
If you can source some dry ice somewhere, you can try keeping it chilled
long enough to copy off the data.
 
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Pennywise

|>@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com:
|>
|>>
|>> I could use some ideas on this. Anyone have any suggestions on things I
|>> could try to nurse the drive along long enough to pull data off it?

|>If you can source some dry ice somewhere, you can try keeping it chilled
|>long enough to copy off the data.

Now that's a good idea, just set it on a block of dry ice, keeps your
hands free.
 
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Horst Franke

In (e-mail address removed) typed:
Have a small fire extinguisher handy? :)
Make damn sure the boards are identical if you do this Penny, no
revision changes.. Absolutely must be identical. Alan is pulling a
fast one on you. :)

Hi Dustin, that's rubbish.
Revision changes will be of no harm as these changes have never
caused any changes on the power circuits!
Those power changes would have also caused a partnumber change!
Revision changes only reflect small functional electronic changes.

A company only knows replacement parts by partnumber but never
on a revision level for the SAME partnumber!
Horst
 
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Rod Speed

Horst Franke said:
(e-mail address removed) wrote
Hi Dustin, that's rubbish.
Revision changes will be of no harm as these changes have never caused any changes on
the power circuits!

There's move involved than the power circuits.
Those power changes would have also caused a partnumber change!

Wrong, as always.
Revision changes only reflect small functional electronic changes.

Wrong, as always.
A company only knows replacement parts by partnumber but never on a revision level for
the SAME partnumber!

Irrelevant to the chance of success with a logic card swap.
 
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Folkert Rienstra

Horst Franke said:
In (e-mail address removed) typed:


Hi Dustin, that's rubbish.
Revision changes will be of no harm as these changes have never
caused any changes on the power circuits!
Those power changes would have also caused a partnumber change!
Revision changes only reflect small functional electronic changes.

A company only knows replacement parts by partnumber but never
on a revision level for the SAME partnumber!
Horst

Rotflol. Horstshit is back. The comedy/comedian returns.
 
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bughunter.dustin

Rod said:
There's move involved than the power circuits.

Yep. Doesn't take the 12volt and 5volt circuits to cause a short,
either. It can be done with less voltage and the end result is the
same, one toasted drive...
Irrelevant to the chance of success with a logic card swap.

For many drives, the logic board needs to be the same, preferrably same
model # if at all possible. What people decide to do regarding how
close of a match it is is there business, it's someone elses data your
putting at risk.
 
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Brian Kendig

Thanks for the recommendations (and the entertainment).

I was able to recover all the data from the drive. I discovered that if
I:

- booted from another drive with the ailing drive as slave...
- waited until all disk activity settled down...
- opened the top-level directory on the ailing drive and waited for
disk activity to settle...
- opened another directory on the ailing drive and waited for activity
to settle down...
- do this with another directory or two...

.... then, about half the time, the drive would then remain running and
usable for hours, until the next reboot, when I'd have to try this
ritual again.

So this gave me plenty of time to recover data from the drive, and I
was able to get everything off it.

I still have no idea what kind of drive failure would result in this
behavior. I'm guessing maybe the drive had become incapable of handling
lots of requests at once.
 
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Pennywise

Brian Kendig said:
Thanks for the recommendations (and the entertainment).

I was able to recover all the data from the drive. I discovered that if
I:

- booted from another drive with the ailing drive as slave...
- waited until all disk activity settled down...
- opened the top-level directory on the ailing drive and waited for
disk activity to settle...
- opened another directory on the ailing drive and waited for activity
to settle down...
- do this with another directory or two...

... then, about half the time, the drive would then remain running and
usable for hours, until the next reboot, when I'd have to try this
ritual again.

So this gave me plenty of time to recover data from the drive, and I
was able to get everything off it.

I still have no idea what kind of drive failure would result in this
behavior. I'm guessing maybe the drive had become incapable of handling
lots of requests at once.

You can hold some people under water and they still don't understand
wet.

It's heat related, the more you access'd the HD the hotter the chips
become, you gave them (it) a chance to cool down by taking it slow.
 
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Arno Wagner

You can hold some people under water and they still don't understand
wet.

Don't be so hard on this guy. Without some engineering or scientific
background it is not as simple to understand as it sounds. And there is
lots of conflicting information he got here.

Arno
It's heat related, the more you access'd the HD the hotter the chips
become, you gave them (it) a chance to cool down by taking it slow.
 
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Folkert Rienstra

Arno Wagner said:
Don't be so hard on this guy.
Without some engineering or scientific background it is not as simple to
understand as it sounds.

And if you had reading comprehension you would know that that wasn't it,
never mind all your "engineering or scientific background ".
And there is lots of conflicting information he got here.

Because of most people's lack of reading comprehension, like yourself.

Have fun explaining:

"What's especially maddening is that when I boot from the SeaTools
(Seagate diagnostics) CD, it analyzes the drive for an hour or more,
and the drive remains online throughout. So I know the drive is capable
of working; I just don't know why it works for the diagnostics but not
for me! "

 
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Bosco836

I could use some ideas on this. Anyone have any suggestions on things I
could try to nurse the drive along long enough to pull data off it?

You also may want to try SpinRite, from GRC.com. It has been known to
save many dying harddrives and its not that expensive.
 
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Pennywise

Folkert Rienstra said:
Have fun explaining:

"What's especially maddening is that when I boot from the SeaTools
(Seagate diagnostics) CD, it analyzes the drive for an hour or more,
and the drive remains online throughout. So I know the drive is capable
of working; I just don't know why it works for the diagnostics but not
for me! "

Most likely That the diagnostic program is accessing the drive at the
bios level, and your not.
 

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