Darren Harris said:If someone who understands my questions sees this thread and responds,
then I will probably learn something.
The guy who tested the drives is the one who told me that the
terminator must say "Active Negation" on it in order to be sure that
it is an "Active Negation" terminator, so that is the term I was
putting in my Ebay search.
Now since all LVD cables don't necessarily have the correct (LVD)
termintor attached
(as per your words),
Folkert Rienstra said:Probably, as you seem incapable/unwilling of learning anything.
The words "active termination"If someone who understands my questions sees this thread and responds,
then I will probably learn something.
The guy who tested the drives is the one who told me that the
terminator must say "Active Negation" on it in order to be sure that
it is an "Active Negation" terminator, so that is the term I was
putting in my Ebay search.
Now since all LVD cables don't necessarily have the correct (LVD)
termintor attached(as per your words), I didn't want to take a chance
on getting the wrong cables again.
don't necessarily have to
appear on the terminator or in
an eBay auction description --
terms like "LVD" or "LVD/SE"
imply the proper kind of
termination for LVD operation,
so unless the seller is
tampering (e.g. plugging an SE
terminator into the far end
of what started life as an LVD
cable), then the cable will
allow LVD operation assuming
it's in working condition.
In my experience (which is a
tiny fraction of Folkert's,
Eric's, or Ron's), the most
common type of LVD cable is
pretty delicate and easily
damaged, much less durable
than the plain ribbon cables
used for SE drives. They
usually comprise multiple
twisted pairs held in place by
a transparent jacket that
tends dry out, become brittle,
and start to let go with age
and exposure to heat -- that's
why imo you're much better off
buying a new or NOS (new, old
stock) surplus item than
something that's already been
cooking in somebody's server
for a few years.
Eric Gisin said:Perhaps you should re-read the thread then. Nobody else confirmed this guys
statement about "active negation".
In fact, I have never seen this label on a LVD cable+terminator.
http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/ul160seacneg.html
If someone sells you an LVD cable without the correct terminator, you return
it.
Several did and it didn't happen then. You won't allow it.
You will find something, anything, at fault.
Uhuh, so what exactly are we here for? Canon fodder?
Why are you asking us questions when you don't trust us and when push
comes to shove you go back to your "guy" that you don't trust either.
I never said that. Learn to read.
terminator.
Or not. Not all cables come with terminators.
Darren Harris said:Back up that up with proof.
Wrong again.
I went back to no one.
No one here said he was wrong,
so I assumed he was right, and continued looking for terminators that had
"Active Negation" imprinted on them.
Also, I mentioned that the part number(E124936) you gave brought up
posts
that refuted
the notion that that particular cable was LVD, you didn't respond.
If someone had explained exactly how to be sure that a cable/terminator
is "Active Negation", all this would have been unneeded.
I'm evidently a much better reader than you,
since the following is a statement from Adam (who you were arguing with)
and your response:
Now repeat that you never said that.
Darren Harris said:No need to re-read.
That's right.
Clueless.
No one addressed it at all, so I assumed that he was correct.
Folkert Rienstra said:Good choice. One might embarrass oneself if one did and anyone knows
that when one closes ones eyes it just goes away conveniently, eh Darren?
Clueless.
*I* addressed it, you arrogant prick: news:[email protected]
"
Although an LVD terminator is of the sort "active negation" you need
a specific LVD or LVD/SE terminator.
Terminators that say "Active" on them are SE.
"
Uhuh, and where is the cable in that, evidently better reader?
This is just a trading company that sells an OEM LVD/SE terminator under
its own label, adding print-on specifications that should be selfevident just
to make it appear more appealing than any other LVD/SE terminator that
is the same to theirs. They all use the same or similar LVD/SE terminator
chips that are active negation and switch automatically for SE, LVD and HVD.
Folkert Rienstra said:It's there for anyone to see.
Nope, you are.
I did.
Oh wow, one.
???
Nope: "Sounds like it is not an LVD cable. The "UW" may confirm that."
'Sounds like', 'may' '?' Very convincing, evidently better reader.
Because it was useless to do so. As I said:
"You will find something, anything, at fault".
I and Eric therefor plonked you on that subject as soon as
you displayed your immense cluelessness and stubborness.
The E124936 cable that I have is made by Foxconn for Compaq/HP and
is a 3ft 4-device equally-spaced white teflon cable with an Amphenol SCSI
LVD/SE terminator on it that specifically says Ultra2 P/N 497330001.
The E124936-B cable that I have is made by Foxconn for Compaq/HP
and is a 3 ft 4 device closely-spaced-at-the-end white teflon cable with
an Amphenol SCSI LVD/SE terminator on it that specifically says
Ultra2/Ultra 160/Ultra 3 P/N 497330001.
You really think that Foxconn and Amphenol, HP/Compaq et al
don't know their business and what an LVD cable is?
That when the E124936-C cable advert specifically says that it is
LVD that it can't possibly be that because Ron R. thinks different?
But that Ron Reaugh is spot on when he knows 'for sure'
"Sounds like it is not an LVD cable. The "UW" may confirm that?"
Btw,
It now appears that the E124936 number is part of the manufacturers
partnumber for the raw white teflon cable and has nothing to do with
a specific complete cable assembly other than that it is a part of it.
This same cable may be used for SE terminated cable assemblies as well as
LVD terminated cable assemblies as well as unterminated cable assemblies.
The Compaq partnumbers appear to be 269157-004 for the first one and
269157-008 for the second one of my cables.
I did, Bruce Morgen did, but as usual you ignored it or find fault with it.
You haven't got a clue but you always know better.
Evidently not.
But I can see how your over-imaginative mind couldn't
resist being argumentative even when there isn't one.
Well, there you go then.
???
Don't need to as anyone with half a brain can see that that is not the same.
An LVD cable without a terminator obviously isn't the same as an LVD cable
with an incorrect (i.e. not LVD) terminator attached.
You really *are* braindead, aren't you, 'Evidently better reader'.
This is pretty clear. You need a terminator that says LVD, like many of usDarren Harris said:"Folkert Rienstra" <[email protected]> wrote in message
It's so easy for any little punk to exhibit balls by resorting to name
calling from thousands of miles away and behind a keyboard. You're
still wrong.
Rather, your moronic trolling will be recorded forever.Now how does that quote address the notion that the "terminator must
say "Active Negation" on it in order to be sure that it is an "Active
Negation" terminator?
These posts are archived, so your stupidity will be available for
everyone to see for a long, long time.
Eric Gisin said:This is pretty clear. You need a terminator that says LVD, like many of us
have said. "active negation" is insufficient.
Rather, your moronic trolling will be recorded forever.