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ModeratelyConfused
John Doe said:
He states that it is a word that he made up.
He states that it is a word that he made up.
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John Doe
ModeratelyConfused said:
I guess it doesn't really matter, as long as someone he is
supposed to be helping can separate his eccentric nonsense from
fact on issues of any importance and complexity.
....
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David Maynard
John said:
That is how they are 'used' in a binary number system context, which I also
clearly stated. The prefixes are, however, mathematically incorrect, as
anyone who took a proper math class would know, and I fully explained how
the improper usage came about and why.
Just in case you are unaware of it, a dictionary is not a math primer.
The official IEC 60027-2, Second edition, 2000-11, Letter symbols to be
used in electrical technology - Part 2: Telecommunications and electronics,
for *binary* numbers are:
http://physics.nist.gov/cuu/Units/binary.html
Prefixes for binary multiples
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Factor Name Symbol Origin Derivation
2^10 kibi Ki kilobinary: (2^10)^1 kilo: (10^3)^1
2^20 mebi Mi megabinary: (2^10)^2 mega: (10^3)^2
2^30 gibi Gi gigabinary: (2^10)^3 giga: (10^3)^3
SI DECIMAL prefixes are, as they always have been:
http://physics.nist.gov/cuu/Units/prefixes.html
10^9 giga G
10^6 mega M
10^3 kilo k
10^2 hecto h
10^1 deka da
The *official* IEEE Standards requirements are:
"Mega will mean 1 000 000, except that the base-two definition may be used
(if such usage is explicitly pointed out on a case-by-case basis) until
such time that prefixes for binary multiples are adopted by an appropriate
standards body."
Note that means drive manufacturers are in perfect compliance with official
standards and it is anyone using "megabyte" to mean "1 048 576 bytes" that
must make an *explicit* statement as to the non-standard usage.
And, if you had any reading comprehension skills you'd have noticed that I
specifically said it was my own invention.
But then your modus operandi is to snip the hell out of what one says to
misrepresent and make false accusations.
That's a real knee slapper coming from someone singularly incapable of
learning anything.
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David Maynard
ModeratelyConfused said:
John Doe is just cultivating his ass but if he isn't careful it's going to
overgrow his whole body. It's already taken over his head and mouth.
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BobR
David Maynard wrote in message said:
1G = 40000000h bytes as usual.
:-}
<bob logic>
So, you see, it wasn't the binars ('decibinals') that started the 1024
anomaly, it was the hexites. Notice how *round* that representation is? You
are free to use 3b9aca00h if you want. <G>
</bob logic>
[Not saying you or any of the other posters are wrong. just havin' fun.]
I liked your other (long) post. Too bad firearms are off topic here, I'd ask
you to explain 'caliber' vs. 'mm'.
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David Maynard
BobR said:
Hehe. I can see how you might think the Hexites are to blame but 1024 isn't
an even power of hex digits and one would expect the Hexites to define
'kilo' as 4096, 16^3, or some other power of 16 if they didn't keep the
exponent of 3, but certainly not a fraction. And there's a similar problem
with blaming it on the Octars. No, the evidence clearly suggests the Binars
are the culprits in this
As for 3b9aca00h, the purist in me leans towards the 'real' number
111011100110101100101000000000b
No need to. Caliber comes from the latin qualibra 'of what weight' or,
loosely, 'what size (measure)'? and, as used, simply 'size or measure'.
(also from Arabic "model, mold" which can be, itself, a size or measure.)
".38 caliber" can be said as ".38 size" or "size .38."
Or, to take the measure of a man is to know what caliber he is.
mm is a unit of measure. Caliber isn't (regardless of it being commonly
thought of as US small bore diameters in inches). There is no "vs" involved.
To illustrate, naval cannon 'caliber' is bore diameter and the length of
the barrel measured in how many bore diameters long it is. E.g. The main
guns of Iowa class battleships can be referred to as 16"/50 caliber. They
are 16 inches in diameter and the barrel is 800 inches long (16 * 50 = 800).
As a mater of language conventions (and unit of measurement)
'American/English' usage puts 'caliber' after the measurement as in ".38
caliber" while the EU would say "the caliber is 9mm." (not meaning to imply
that .38 is the same measure as 9mm)
If you want to know how caliber designations got so screwed up, that's
another whole ball of wax
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John Doe
Living proof that sometimes logic fails us.
David Maynard said:
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David Maynard
John said:
Yes, you are.
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Ed Medlin
I think you already coined the correct word DavidDavid Maynard said:
Ed
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Ed Medlin
John Doe said:
The word does fit though. At least it "defines" something correctly that
current gb/mb actually confuses. Decimal and binary values cannot be mixed
unless you redefine something with a new
word........i.e....decibinal.......
Ed
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David Maynard
Ed said:The word does fit though. At least it "defines" something correctly that
current gb/mb actually confuses. Decimal and binary values cannot be mixed
unless you redefine something with a new
word........i.e....decibinal.......
Ed
Ya know, that was why I coined it, to show it's a decimal prefix on a
binary number, and it helps in talking about it to not further confuse the
issue by referring to the 'number' one is trying to explain as simply
'binary', or not, when the very problem is it's hybrid terminology.
That and it injects a bit of humor to help remember the point.
John Doe is just being an ass for complaining about a word I specifically
said was my own invention.
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David Maynard
Ed said:I think you already coined the correct word David
Ed
Thanks.
I had no idea my humorous little word was going to stir up so much interest
both pro and con.
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ian lincoln
The final word
Gigabyte that is byte 8 bits in a byte.
For everything else it is
units
tens
hundreds
thousands
millions
billions
remember giga-byte.
Gigabyte that is byte 8 bits in a byte.
For everything else it is
units
tens
hundreds
thousands
millions
billions
remember giga-byte.
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John Doe
Ed Medlin said:The word does fit though. At least it "defines" something
correctly that current gb/mb actually confuses. Decimal and
binary values cannot be mixed unless you redefine something with
a new word........i.e....decibinal.......
It's clear to 99% of us. The meanings are defined by the context.
To argue that hard disk drive marketing departments are using the
terms properly, that they would not resort to deception in an
attempt to make their products look better, is just spewing your
personal politics on high-technology.
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John Doe
o-chan said:
Or memory chip, or floppy disk, or CD, or DVD.
Which means they know the terminology is incorrect.
Using the terms properly would not hurt anything and then no one
would notice/complain.
A manufacturer must match the other's advertised capacity.
Otherwise, they would have to explain how virtuous they are for
correctly representing the size.
Useful information that deserves sharing IMO.
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David Maynard
John said:
Oh sure. After all, what does NIST, IEEE, IEC, and all the other standards
groups in the world know, right?
It's fascinating how you routinely accuse others of doing precisely what
*you* are. Get the mirror out from in front of your face and look at the
real world.
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John Doe
A troll who will say anything, no matter how nakedly false
or misleading, sometimes apparently simply to extend discussion
of his closet bound beliefs.
or misleading, sometimes apparently simply to extend discussion
of his closet bound beliefs.
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David Maynard
John said:
A memory chip is a straight binary device. A hard drive isn't. There is
nothing that requires a 'binary' number of heads, or a 'binary' number of
tracks, or a 'binary' number of sectors.
or floppy disk,
Want to bet? Why do you think your 1.44 'meg' floppy shows as 1.38 'meg'?
Here's a shocker for you, it isn't measured in either 'binary' OR my custom
invented term 'decibinal'.
The tracks, number of sectors, and surfaces are multiplied in straight
decimal and then applied to the binary sector size to make a THIRD 'meg'.
I.E. 80 x 18 x 2 for 2880. And sectors are 'half a kilobyte' and two make a
'kilobyte' so they multiply the decimal number times the binary for 1.44 'meg'.
THAT 'meg' is 1,024,000 bytes and not the coveted 'decibinal' 1,048,576
bytes, nor the official, decimal system, standard of 1,000,000 bytes.
Gets to be fun when people cram a decimal prefix on just any old thing,
don't it?
It is the official terminology by every standards group on the planet.
There is NO standards group that defines 'mega-anything' as 1048576, unless
the non-standard usage is specifically noted.
You've been shown the proper terms defined by the official standards
organizations and chose to close your eyes and sit in your closet.
They use the same number system that every other scientific and technical
discipline on the planet uses: decimal.
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John Doe
http://www.ewh.ieee.org/r3/savannah/acronym/acropc.htm
IEEE
PERSONAL COMPUTER (PC) TERMS
KB... KILOBYTE = 1024 bytes
MB... Megabyte, 1024 Kilobytes
GB... GIGABYTE = 1024 Megabytes
Tb... TERABYTE = 1024 Gb
A troll who will say anything, no matter how nakedly
false/misleading, sometimes apparently simply to extend discussion
of his closet bound beliefs.
IEEE
PERSONAL COMPUTER (PC) TERMS
KB... KILOBYTE = 1024 bytes
MB... Megabyte, 1024 Kilobytes
GB... GIGABYTE = 1024 Megabytes
Tb... TERABYTE = 1024 Gb
A troll who will say anything, no matter how nakedly
false/misleading, sometimes apparently simply to extend discussion
of his closet bound beliefs.
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David Maynard
John said:
And you're apparently a illiterate nut who can't read the NIST links the
first two times I posted it to you.
http://physics.nist.gov/cuu/Units/prefixes.html
http://physics.nist.gov/cuu/Units/binary.html
With the IEEE and IEC 60027-2, Second edition, 2000-11, Letter symbols to
be used in electrical technology - Part 2: Telecommunications and
electronics references.