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I want to create a cd-rom boot disk and flash the bios on this Soyo
motherboard so it will work with service pack 2. I’d like to do this
with a cd-rom since I’m building this system without a floppy drive.

How do I create a bootable and flashable CD-ROM?
 
Yes, it is possible. I tried it once, after flashing with a floppy
didn't work. When making a CD didn't seem to be an easy option, I looked
at my floppy drive and found the problem, and me and my floppydrive
lived happily ever after.

Conclusion: spend a few dollars on a floppy drive, since you still can't
live without one.

Marc
 
nero will create a bootable CD. It can emulate a floppy or a hard drive. You
add the files that you want. and burn it.


Trashdog said:
I want to create a cd-rom boot disk and flash the bios on this Soyo
motherboard so it will work with service pack 2. I’d like to do this
with a cd-rom since I’m building this system without a floppy drive.

How do I create a bootable and flashable CD-ROM?

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I want to create a cd-rom boot disk and flash the bios on this Soyo
motherboard so it will work with service pack 2. I’d like to do this with
a cd-rom since I’m building this system without a floppy drive.

How do I create a bootable and flashable CD-ROM?
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Seems like work as many vendors have a Windows based BIOS flash
utility.
 
I want to create a cd-rom boot disk and flash the bios on this Soyo
motherboard so it will work with service pack 2. I’d like to do this
with a cd-rom since I’m building this system without a floppy drive.

How do I create a bootable and flashable CD-ROM?
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If you don't even know how to create a bootable CD to get
this done, IMO it is not a very good idea for you to give up
floppies just yet.

It's rather easy though, most burning apps will make a
bootable disc, just make it boot plain dos with nothing more
loading, put the flasher and the bios version on it.

Note that if your flash fails, you can't reboot the CD and
reflash it, the system may be virtually dead until you get a
floppy drive, make the floppy and reflash. Floppy drives
are not used because people "like" them, they're used
because for some things, they are very useful if not
"always" necessary... and for some things like emergency
bios recovery, they are always necessary except for a rare
few boards with secondary bios EEPROM onboard (and a
properly working recovery implementation- just because it
has two chips, when the day comes that you needed the 2nd
one you may not know yet if it really works so seamlessly as
the design goal implied).
 
What trick, what device, what starting-hole on Sun, 25 Sep 2005
22:22:02 GMT, canst thou now find out, to hide jaster
Seems like work as many vendors have a Windows based BIOS flash
utility.
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This is not an answer to your question.

Why do so many manufacturers of PC boxs leave out floppies? They're
like, what $8? Sure floppies are like yesterdays stale drawers, with a
brown butterfly denoting The Rear, but as jaster demonstrates above,
they are oh so useful & EZ.
 
Why do so many manufacturers of PC boxs leave out floppies? They're
like, what $8? Sure floppies are like yesterdays stale drawers, with a
brown butterfly denoting The Rear, but as jaster demonstrates above,
they are oh so useful & EZ.
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$8 here, $8 there... it adds up.

They are also likely to think it's a good thing to keep
users' ability to do anything with a floppy, limited. If
you can boot their pre-installed OS, and if the system works
using ONLY the software they provide, exactly as they
provided it, their obligation towards warranty is done.
What gain would they have in allowing you to use a floppy?
 
kony said:
$8 here, $8 there... it adds up.

They are also likely to think it's a good thing to keep
users' ability to do anything with a floppy, limited. If
you can boot their pre-installed OS, and if the system works
using ONLY the software they provide, exactly as they
provided it, their obligation towards warranty is done.
What gain would they have in allowing you to use a floppy?
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The great floppy debate is always interesting with the 'home builder' often
proudly proclaiming they don't include the 'useless' things and now the
buyers of pre-builts wondering why they aren't there.

Ironically, the home builder is precisely who might need one to load F6
drivers while pre-builts are usually distributed with a pre configured
restore image on CD so there's no great burning need for a floppy.

You're quite right about secondary reasons besides the '8 bucks', which
isn't really just 8 bucks.

While the system designer looks at per box components accountants tend to
look at 'the company' and 8 bucks over, say, 120,000 systems looks to them
like a million dollars. A million dollars for something that isn't really
'needed'.

But then, in addition to the component cost, you've got to qualify them,
buy them, stock them, part number them with an alternate suppliers list,
install them, test them, and it takes a cable, and routing it, and
instructions in the manual because it's a 'human interactive' device, and
call support for those who jam them, and warranty repair/replacement
support, and in-house service procedures. That costs money too and all for
something that isn't really 'needed'.

As you aptly said, it adds up.
 
uh said:
What trick, what device, what starting-hole on Sun, 25 Sep 2005
22:22:02 GMT, canst thou now find out, to hide jaster


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This is not an answer to your question.

Why do so many manufacturers of PC boxs leave out floppies? They're
like, what $8? Sure floppies are like yesterdays stale drawers, with a
brown butterfly denoting The Rear, but as jaster demonstrates above,
they are oh so useful & EZ.
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Like everywhere else in life, decisions have to be made. In this case
the decision was made that, given even a nominal cost, so few people
would want a floppy drive that it wasn't worth including it. And anybody
who really did need it would be able to add it themselves.

A manufacturer can't really be expected to accommodate every need of
every user unless they operate on a purely custom basis. Sure, if you
look hard enough you can probably find somebody who REALLY REALLY needs
to have a 5.25" floppy drive. And for every thousand of these you might
even find somebody who REALLY REALLY needs to have an 8" floppy drive
(don't laugh, I've been there). The question is "when do you stop?" and
the answer for mass-market makers is "at the cheapest point".
 
John McGaw said:
Like everywhere else in life, decisions have to be made. In this case
the decision was made that, given even a nominal cost, so few people
would want a floppy drive that it wasn't worth including it. And anybody
who really did need it would be able to add it themselves.

A manufacturer can't really be expected to accommodate every need of
every user unless they operate on a purely custom basis. Sure, if you
look hard enough you can probably find somebody who REALLY REALLY needs
to have a 5.25" floppy drive. And for every thousand of these you might
even find somebody who REALLY REALLY needs to have an 8" floppy drive
(don't laugh, I've been there). The question is "when do you stop?" and
the answer for mass-market makers is "at the cheapest point".
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I agree, and this is another example of technology changing(decisions being
made) and software manufacturers not keeping up. Raid was a big problem, as
all you got from windows was a search for A:drive after F6. Now the service
paks have changed that. I have one machine that has a floppy, I share it on
the LAN(doesn't always get recognized during some install routines)
eventually things catch up here in the USA, usually right about the time
another major change takes place. These folks learned from the best GM, Big
oil etc etc.
 
I want to create a cd-rom boot disk and flash the bios on this Soyo
motherboard so it will work with service pack 2. I?d like to do this
with a cd-rom since I?m building this system without a floppy drive.

How do I create a bootable and flashable CD-ROM?
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Create a bootable CD with Nero and copy the flash utility and the BIOS
file to the CDROM.

When the CD boots, hold the left shift key so no system files are
loaded.
 
I agree, and this is another example of technology changing(decisions being
made) and software manufacturers not keeping up.
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Not really true, technology didn't change, the OEMs simply
chose not to include a floppy even though there were clearly
still uses for them.

I don't use my spoon much when dining, does that mean I'm ok
with not having one around? No.
 
do you argue long windedly for the sake of it ?

"technology changing(decisions being made)" what does this mean to you?
 
do you argue long windedly for the sake of it ?

"technology changing(decisions being made)" what does this mean to you?
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Nope, just that you're wrong that it has anything to do with
"technology change". The only change is that if you buy a
box that the builder decided not to put a lloppy drive into,
you dont' get one!

Same could be said for a box that has no optical drive or
any other part.
 
would you call 'case design' a change in technology?
would call bios changes, changes in technology?
addition of USB boot devices a change?

sigh be gone with your silliness
 
would you call 'case design' a change in technology?
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Depends on what was changed.
If the change was to not install a side panel, no.
would call bios changes, changes in technology?
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Again, depends on what was changed. If they simply removed
the ability to change FSB, again no.
addition of USB boot devices a change?
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sigh be gone with your silliness
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.... could be thinking same thing here.

Omission of a drive is not a technology change, systems
(usually) still support them, users may still have similar
tasks that require one, and there is no alternative with the
universal support. It's not a technology change to fail to
install a drive in order to save ~$8. If it were cheaper to
leave the drive in, if the cases had come with a *free*
floppy drive, they'd be in the cases.
 
Kony

There are MANY cases that no longer support a floppy,
the insides have significantly changed in some cases.

bios changes THAT HAVE NOW INCLUDED USB FLASH DRIVES.
who the hell was talking about FSB? we are speaking of things that are going
to put the floppy down for the count. AND FWIW an entire countries economy
will be hit..............

Later
 
Kony

There are MANY cases that no longer support a floppy,
the insides have significantly changed in some cases.

bios changes THAT HAVE NOW INCLUDED USB FLASH DRIVES.
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BIOS changes that "include flash drives" are not a universal
replacement not only from a software support standpoint, but
also from an (actually working to boot USB devices)
standpoint.

I"m not a "fan" of floppy drives, put bluntly: they suck

Even so, there is no viable, universal replacement "yet".
Once that is the case it would be a waste to continue using
them. Same was the case with 5.25" floppies being displaced
by 3.5"

who the hell was talking about FSB? we are speaking of things that are going
to put the floppy down for the count. AND FWIW an entire countries economy
will be hit..............
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We were speaking about it in the context of a parts
omission.

There is nothing "yet" that replaces a floppy universally...
not even remotely close. Floppies are less reliable and
low capacity but even so, there is not yet anything else
that enjoys such universal support. If you like USB, fine,
it's not like you have to choose having ONLY one or the
other.


Nobody forces you to have a floppy in your system, but to do
without an $8 part then have to make alternate plans just to
compensate on a multi-hundred (if not thousand) dollar
system is rather pointless except in unique, special purpose
systems. I don't recall anyone suggesting to save
documents to floppy or try to make it a primary storage
device, rather for $8 it's one of those feature of a system
that make it more useful and versatile, which is the whole
point of a "PC" versus a closed appliance.
 
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