Got my XFX One PCI-E vidcard

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Flasherly

Under $15US shipped w/ no rebates or catches.

Does simultaneous displays - a couple large LEDs be nice, if that
weren't so guady. I really haven't room for that sort of setup.

Three different resolutions according to 3 display-type outputs
available, too.

Wish I could find a core driver solution - as in vastly reduced. I'm
already dreading what I'll find in the way of ATI's untold megabytes
bundled into unified packaging. Don't do games, so if it'll help any
bottlenecks, rendering video or bringing overall system streaming up a
balanced notch - way cool.

Nice looking card and packaging - very slick, more like a $35 add-on,
anyday. I therefore have kicked serious butt in the deals dept,
provided the thing powers up when it gets plugged in to one of those
PCI-E slots, I've had for years and years, but never until now used.

Score another one for BestBuy's clearance deals.
 
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Flasherly

Does simultaneous displays

--
VGA connector comes up locked into 640x480 on MONITOR 1. Being a
simultaneous display chipset, only one of the *other* connectors -
HDMI, DVI - shows the full spectrum of resolutions. Obviously,
that's only MONITOR 2, which won't be reassigned to ONE, which I don't
have.

Of course it's screwed on my system, which couldn't be more natural.
Did, though, manage a manual install of 100meg of ATI Unified Drivers
into 3meg added driver resources (pointed Device Management driver
updates to the appropriate ATI driver inf files, and it grabbed what
it could, I guess). Works beautifully once and only once with all the
resolutions available: next time on a reboot, Windows shuts down the
ATI board and locks it into 640x480.

Oh, well - then there's more cables and ten tons of adaptors to try
and buy. Buying computers and catching and skinning cats. Got to love
the industry at times, the way it loves to standardize how to shoot
itself in the foot. Obviously, the handheld, telephone & cloud-only
crowds do.
 
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Mr. Man-wai Chang

Radeon 5450?

Under $15US shipped w/ no rebates or catches.

Does simultaneous displays - a couple large LEDs be nice, if that
weren't so guady. I really haven't room for that sort of setup.
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Flasherly

Radeon 5450?
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Dear Mr. Chang --
Make no mistake, you are either the weirdest, or it's got to be me.
Look at the times we both posted since that first post. We posted
almost to the second together.

(Yea, a nothing-special board, marginal by way of newer vid-chipped
MBs -- my MBs are 3 maybe 4 yrs old, so I *might* get something off it
by way better vid-encode playback.)
 
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Mr. Man-wai Chang

Dear Mr. Chang --
Make no mistake, you are either the weirdest, or it's got to be me.
Look at the times we both posted since that first post. We posted
almost to the second together.
Click to expand...

Have a cup of tea... Cheers! :)

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Flasherly

Does simultaneous displays
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Put the 5450 on another Gigabyte MB, this time an AMD chipset support
over dualcore 2X 4000 or some such. (A no go on 1st-tried Gigabyte w/
a P4 dually.) The VGA connector took and works fine - full spectrum of
resolutions right off available for an old 19" Samsung. Have to see
now that it takes no less perfectly to a 40" NEC and how VGA
renditions improve if any - if not, my jaw doesn't drop the floor
immediately, may have optionally HDMI DVI connectors to play with
(it's getting to be a pretty old NEC, though). Probably works on that
machine because of an uncluttered and newer XP revision (which it
supports, XP, although I didn't do the driver install on either, per
se, but did the pick 'yer own routine from ATI's directory catalyst
*.INF offerings - both for audio/vid compliance (with audio being new
to me, of course, from DVI/HDMI spec sheets I've never yet had - and
new speaker routing options possible). 3meg install well could beat
what 100meg actually means from a formal ATI Unified Setup (I'm not
big into clutter, all else being equal). Little toasty for cramped
across the case - back of the card literally butting heads with the HD
array - but if you like building, that's the oldest song going for the
smallest violin ever made. Oh, yea - and the BIOS curiously had GPU
recognition correlations as for whether it's chipset should augment
the system, while not (a switch) PEG being present. I turned it off
for now.
 
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Flasherly

Little toasty
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No sensors so measured its black mass with a laser sensor gun's
projector LED beam and it's 115F with the case cover off. Definitely
going to be toasty once locked down and in.
 
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Paul

Flasherly said:
No sensors so measured its black mass with a laser sensor gun's
projector LED beam and it's 115F with the case cover off. Definitely
going to be toasty once locked down and in.
Click to expand...

If the card is fanless, and your case has a rear exhaust fan,
the temperature will actually go down (because there will be air
moving across the fins). When the side is off the case, the airflow
is no longer constrained.

And give the readout on GPUZ a try. Do a measurement with the side
off, and with the side on. And see which direction the temperature
heads (up or down).

http://www.techpowerup.com/downloads/SysInfo/GPU-Z/

Paul
 
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Flasherly

If the card is fanless, and your case has a rear exhaust fan,
the temperature will actually go down (because there will be air
moving across the fins). When the side is off the case, the airflow
is no longer constrained.

And give the readout on GPUZ a try. Do a measurement with the side
off, and with the side on. And see which direction the temperature
heads (up or down).

http://www.techpowerup.com/downloads/SysInfo/GPU-Z/

Paul
Click to expand...

Good idea, haven't heard of GPU-Z long enough to have about forgotten
it. I've seen some really outrageous comebacks from ATI technicians
in support forums they support -- these cards being "intended" near in
excess of 175F for operational characteristics. Sounds fine, although
nothing I'd care to handle in the Southern savannas. The case is near
a Rosewill clone of Antec's 300 series, perhaps scaled down slightly,
tight in there nonetheless. Also, incorporated into and entertainment
center, there's limits to how it is situated presently to fit -- on
it's side, I've air directed in across the HDs from the front panel,
as well from directly over the CPU. Outgoing is solely the PS,
obviously not much of a rear exhaust but gentler at not blowing up
dust onto the wall directly behind. Perhaps if GPU-Z will detect it, I
may consider other fan options.

Putting the card through its paces, though, I'm not really seeing much
of an improvement, a practical intent I use it for video decode
playback, over what the MB's vidchipset performance generates;-
although that's neither having switched first to give DVI/HDMI due
consideration, or making a test run through the full ATI driver
install for what further potentials may be. Nope, nothing especially
eye-catching so far. May in fact be better suited the P4 dually MB if
I can get past and over essentially a quagmire of driver history
usages, conflicts, and plain outdatedness. Might slip it the "Mickey"
and get through that maze by activating Monitor 2 by way of DVI/HDMI;-
Monitor 1 (VGA port only) effectively comes up shot in the foot, once
only normally operational, thereupon locking in itself at 640x480 upon
a very next reboot. A very much whacked, but sentimental system.
 
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Mr. Man-wai Chang

Putting the card through its paces, though, I'm not really seeing much
of an improvement, a practical intent I use it for video decode
playback, over what the MB's vidchipset performance generates;-
although that's neither having switched first to give DVI/HDMI due
consideration, or making a test run through the full ATI driver
install for what further potentials may be. Nope, nothing especially
Click to expand...

Try LAV Filter (codec)...
http://code.google.com/p/lavfilters/

.... and MPC Black Edition!
http://sourceforge.net/projects/mpcbe/

They both can use DXVA2 of DirectX 10.

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Mr. Man-wai Chang

They both can use DXVA2 of DirectX 10.
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I assumed that you were using Win 7. :)

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Flasherly

I assumed that you were using Win 7. :)
Click to expand...

I'm using the Chinese player, PotPlayer - have been for a couple
years. I did manage LAV Filter in it, just now, however I'm seeing no
apparent benefit when switch to LAV over recommended/or built-in
filters;- DX10/DXVA2 -- DOOM9 website, whew, long time since I was
there learning encoding on much older equipment -- needless to mention
if it's a W7 over XP dependency thing.

Your player link, however, I dunno about that one. PotPlayer is a
hell'va player and I wouldn't easily give it up. Really, the player
qualities I'm getting is pretty high, at least for me, although I'd of
course put a reservation on it at least until I can see to judge
higher standards and how appropos that might subjectively be
(something perhaps like my sound system, hi-end studio monitors and
such, and approaching points where quality sound goes beyond
practically 'very good' and into both subjective and esoteric
territory).

Anyway, back to what need first to have been said -- I installed the
whole ATI Catalyst package since posting to Paul, and it's pretty
close to a big and noticible 'difference' - believe after some more
time on it as my main vid/entertainment thing, and I should be
convinced I won't want to go back to the MB's native vidchipset
drivers. It's pretty impressive for, all told, no major snags or
hairpulling, inasmuch a plugin-type improvement to simple ends. Should
be good to go the way it is, looking more than not already established
for a definite and positive improvement.

These drivers I'm liking more and more for detailed, precise in
chroma/backliight balances, and for a more workable contrast to
brightness levels.
 
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Mr. Man-wai Chang

Anyway, back to what need first to have been said -- I installed the
whole ATI Catalyst package since posting to Paul, and it's pretty
close to a big and noticible 'difference' - believe after some more
time on it as my main vid/entertainment thing, and I should be
convinced I won't want to go back to the MB's native vidchipset
drivers. It's pretty impressive for, all told, no major snags or
hairpulling, inasmuch a plugin-type improvement to simple ends. Should
be good to go the way it is, looking more than not already established
for a definite and positive improvement.
Click to expand...

5450 was never a hi-end Radeon. Don't expect too much about its speed... :)

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John Doe

Paul said:
If the card is fanless, and your case has a rear exhaust fan,
the temperature will actually go down (because there will be air
moving across the fins). When the side is off the case, the
airflow is no longer constrained.
Click to expand...

There are other factors... Like hot air rises, it doesn't just sit
on the fins. The benefit of moving air flow in a closed case might
depend on the location of your hot device. If it's at the end of
the airflow, the airflow is going to be warm or hot. Currently, my
case is open with a filter fan blowing into it. I always use the
filter fan anyway. Of course I agree with the advice to measure the
temperature. Monitoring is almost always a good idea. Not that it
matters, but I use "RealTemp". Works correctly in windows 8 64
bit.

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Flasherly

There are other factors... Like hot air rises, it doesn't just sit
on the fins. The benefit of moving air flow in a closed case might
depend on the location of your hot device. If it's at the end of
the airflow, the airflow is going to be warm or hot. Currently, my
case is open with a filter fan blowing into it. I always use the
filter fan anyway. Of course I agree with the advice to measure the
temperature. Monitoring is almost always a good idea. Not that it
matters, but I use "RealTemp". Works correctly in windows 8 64
bit.
Click to expand...

The only real cooling benefits I'm getting these days are the lowest
I've ever experienced with budget but relatively high-end CPU
heatsinks. The rest of the case - that one I put the 5450 into -
there's a certain feeling that comes with holding all the HD SATA
cables, one one hand, pushing them firmly into right angles, while the
two hands are attempting to shoe-horn the PCI-E videocard into its
slot.

Then, again, a relatively no-name case. Unlike this ANTEC all
aluminum, which really *wants* to be a high-end case, all except for a
poorly engineered HD cage, where the engineers went out for a few
beers after determining HD mounting and securement, instead of
realizing how that would restrict cross-case air flow (it originally
came with two oversized cross-case fans, front and back, that were
entirely too powerful -- 1) noisy and 2) damning for tending to gather
dust into the case insides.
 
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Flasherly

5450 was never a hi-end Radeon. Don't expect too much about its speed... :)
Click to expand...

Never was about speed - just hoping it will do everything better,
which believe it is, other than what limitations are to a 40" NEC
monitor's persistence levels. An unusual monitor in itself - made
according to NEC for commercial-grade settings, such as airport flight
terminals for displaying info 24/7. This smaller OLEVIA, a 32" on I'm
on now, is almost twice as old, (going on 10 years), and one of the
*very first* consumer grade LCDs produced and originally sold for
$2000US (I bought it a year later when the priced dropped to $800).
 
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Mr. Man-wai Chang

Never was about speed - just hoping it will do everything better,
which believe it is, other than what limitations are to a 40" NEC
monitor's persistence levels. An unusual monitor in itself - made
according to NEC for commercial-grade settings, such as airport flight
terminals for displaying info 24/7. This smaller OLEVIA, a 32" on I'm
on now, is almost twice as old, (going on 10 years), and one of the
*very first* consumer grade LCDs produced and originally sold for
$2000US (I bought it a year later when the priced dropped to $800).
Click to expand...

If you were serious about colors, you should be using those expensive
IPS monitor. You also need a hardware device to calibrate its colors.

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Flasherly

If you were serious about colors, you should be using those expensive
IPS monitor. You also need a hardware device to calibrate its colors.
Click to expand...

The NEC LCD monitor is only relative to the NVidia videochipset on
that particular motherboard. The 5450 being the superior display. A
day on the 5450, and probably one of the most critical areas, blacks,
show they're a base to remain blacker while either contrast or
brightness have less to introduce to factor, earlier, by way of grays
being introduced into the blacks. ATI appears to have the "smoother"
chipset/driver package.

Going into a setup involving a IPS or higher quality monitors also
wouldn't involve lesser quality encodes, but sourcing them to digital
media references. I have done that with audio -but, no, you're right-
video in itself, nearer for professional levels, isn't something I
should care to take seriously.
 
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Mr. Man-wai Chang

Going into a setup involving a IPS or higher quality monitors also
wouldn't involve lesser quality encodes, but sourcing them to digital
media references. I have done that with audio -but, no, you're right-
video in itself, nearer for professional levels, isn't something I
should care to take seriously.
Click to expand...

Thanks. I hope I would never need to care about colors. :)

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