Got a 9800Pro and Im not to impressed with it!

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pwrberry

Got a powercolour 9800pro today. Im nit very impressed with its
performance compared to the nvidia fx5900 LX i just took out. System
specs are

athlon xp 2400+ cpu 266mhz fsb
512mb pc2100 ddr ram
80gb maxtor diamondmax hdd ( boot drive ) 7200rpm
60gb ibm slave drive 7200rpm
ECS K7S5A Mobo ( SiS chipset ) AGP 4x
SB Audigy 2ZS
Crwative 6.1 speakers
Plextor 52x32x52 CDRW
LiteOn 8x DVD Writer
Powercolour 9800 Pro 128Mb


Here are my results with the radeon 9800pro

3DMARK 01SE = 11769
3DMARK 03 BUILD 340 = 5031

And with the Geforce FX 5900 LX ( 2.8ns Ram, slower model )

3DMARK 01SE = 10500
3DMARK 03 BUILD 340 = 5166

Why on earth is my pc slower with the redeon card? I was under the
impression that it was the dogs bo****ks top notch card!

I was going to upgradde my mobo and my cpu to a 2500+ barton cpu. is
it really worth it?

thanks

paul
 
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Andy

Asus A7v266e with XP2400+(266MHZ)
Crucial 9800 pro(stock speed) AGP 4X
Western Digital 20Gb 5200 rpm
Creative SoundBlaster Live

my results are:
3D MARK 2001 13900
3D MARK 2003 5266

runs all my games very well,Call of Duty,BF1942

use benchmaks as a guide only
 
J

Julian Richards

Got a powercolour 9800pro today. Im nit very impressed with its
performance compared to the nvidia fx5900 LX i just took out. System
specs are

athlon xp 2400+ cpu 266mhz fsb
512mb pc2100 ddr ram
80gb maxtor diamondmax hdd ( boot drive ) 7200rpm
60gb ibm slave drive 7200rpm
ECS K7S5A Mobo ( SiS chipset ) AGP 4x
SB Audigy 2ZS
Crwative 6.1 speakers
Plextor 52x32x52 CDRW
LiteOn 8x DVD Writer
Powercolour 9800 Pro 128Mb


Here are my results with the radeon 9800pro

3DMARK 01SE = 11769
3DMARK 03 BUILD 340 = 5031

And with the Geforce FX 5900 LX ( 2.8ns Ram, slower model )

3DMARK 01SE = 10500
3DMARK 03 BUILD 340 = 5166

Why on earth is my pc slower with the redeon card? I was under the
impression that it was the dogs bo****ks top notch card!

I was going to upgradde my mobo and my cpu to a 2500+ barton cpu. is
it really worth it?

thanks
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Forget scores. What is the image quality like to your personal
impression when using whatever software you use? I'm sure that you
could get it to display a blank screen at hundreds of frames per
second but I don't think that you would appreciate it.
--

Julian Richards
julian-richards "at" ntlworld.com

XP Home
L7S7A2 motherboard
Powercolor 9800 SE 8 pipelines with Omega drivers
1 GB RAM
10 GB + 80 GB HDs
CD+DVD/CDRW drives
 
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pwrberry

Just downloaded and installed the latest drivers from ati.com.

My 3DMARK 03 score has gone up slightly from 5031 to 5136
My £DMARK 01 score has DROPPED from 11769 to 11610

Very strange as my 5900LX still beats it in 3dmark 03

ah well...

paul
 
K

K

Here are my results with the radeon 9800pro

3DMARK 01SE = 11769
3DMARK 03 BUILD 340 = 5031

And with the Geforce FX 5900 LX ( 2.8ns Ram, slower model )

3DMARK 01SE = 10500
3DMARK 03 BUILD 340 = 5166

Why on earth is my pc slower with the redeon card? I was under the
impression that it was the dogs bo****ks top notch card!
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Play 3DMark a lot, do you?

K
 
P

PB

Because "ATI is faster" is a myth.

It's all a big race to see who can cheat at the benchmarks faster.

In the end, look at the screen, play with the control panel, whichever you
like better, use it. That is what will determine what gives you the best
gaming experience, not the ability to wave your penis...err...benchmarks
around.

DD

P.S.: Yes, the Barton with higher-speed RAM will give you a lot more
satisfaction than changing video card vendors, at the level you are gaming
at.
 
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Idbbs01

Got a powercolour 9800pro today. Im nit very impressed with its
performance compared to the nvidia fx5900 LX i just took out. System
specs are

athlon xp 2400+ cpu 266mhz fsb
512mb pc2100 ddr ram
80gb maxtor diamondmax hdd ( boot drive ) 7200rpm
60gb ibm slave drive 7200rpm
ECS K7S5A Mobo ( SiS chipset ) AGP 4x
SB Audigy 2ZS
Crwative 6.1 speakers
Plextor 52x32x52 CDRW
LiteOn 8x DVD Writer
Powercolour 9800 Pro 128Mb


Here are my results with the radeon 9800pro

3DMARK 01SE = 11769
3DMARK 03 BUILD 340 = 5031

And with the Geforce FX 5900 LX ( 2.8ns Ram, slower model )

3DMARK 01SE = 10500
3DMARK 03 BUILD 340 = 5166

Why on earth is my pc slower with the redeon card? I was under the
impression that it was the dogs bo****ks top notch card!

I was going to upgradde my mobo and my cpu to a 2500+ barton cpu. is
it really worth it?
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Crank up AA and AF in control panel and play your games. Then do the same with
nVidia card.
Come back then and tell us all how you'll never use nVidia again.

PS: uninstall 3dmark and clean the 100's of registry entries it leave behind
and dont look back!
 
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Pluvious

On Thu, 12 Feb 2004 13:34:19 +0000, (e-mail address removed) wrote:

||Got a powercolour 9800pro today. Im nit very impressed with its
||performance compared to the nvidia fx5900 LX i just took out. System
||specs are
||
||

There should have been a HUGE difference with those cards. You need to
clean out ALL of the old Nvidia drivers completely. A reformat would
be the best but a major pain. Until you clean up your old drivers you
won't like the ATI.

Pluvious
 
G

GTD

Got a powercolour 9800pro today. Im nit very impressed with its
performance compared to the nvidia fx5900 LX i just took out. System
specs are

athlon xp 2400+ cpu 266mhz fsb
512mb pc2100 ddr ram
80gb maxtor diamondmax hdd ( boot drive ) 7200rpm
60gb ibm slave drive 7200rpm
ECS K7S5A Mobo ( SiS chipset ) AGP 4x
SB Audigy 2ZS
Crwative 6.1 speakers
Plextor 52x32x52 CDRW
LiteOn 8x DVD Writer
Powercolour 9800 Pro 128Mb


Here are my results with the radeon 9800pro

3DMARK 01SE = 11769
3DMARK 03 BUILD 340 = 5031
Click to expand...
You may be CPU limited. I get 17,000+ in 01se with a 9800pro128m, a
barton 2500+ @2200 and a gig of ddr400.



You should start drinking prune juice and KY jelly cocktails right now,
that will make things a lot smoother.
-Felatio Love
 
J

JAD

what made you buy it in the first place? Obviously it wasn't because it was slower than your current card. That would leave the
problem lying within your install or your system. Since you are so into demos and benchmarks you must have seen others scores 5
times that so, once again the problem lies within your system. Or was it simply to start a thread for the sake of it?
 
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Mike B

Why do you go by benchmarks? After all, if you can't see the difference of
frames and image quality with your naked eye, then who cares? Benchmarks are
not accurate anyway, and video card makers cheat with their drivers. Why
don't you just look at the games you want to play, and do a visual test?
 
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zmike6

Got a powercolour 9800pro today. Im nit very impressed with its
performance compared to the nvidia fx5900 LX i just took out. System
specs are

athlon xp 2400+ cpu 266mhz fsb
512mb pc2100 ddr ram
80gb maxtor diamondmax hdd ( boot drive ) 7200rpm
60gb ibm slave drive 7200rpm
ECS K7S5A Mobo ( SiS chipset ) AGP 4x
SB Audigy 2ZS
Crwative 6.1 speakers
Plextor 52x32x52 CDRW
LiteOn 8x DVD Writer
Powercolour 9800 Pro 128Mb


Here are my results with the radeon 9800pro

3DMARK 01SE = 11769
3DMARK 03 BUILD 340 = 5031

And with the Geforce FX 5900 LX ( 2.8ns Ram, slower model )

3DMARK 01SE = 10500
3DMARK 03 BUILD 340 = 5166

Why on earth is my pc slower with the redeon card? I was under the
impression that it was the dogs bo****ks top notch card!

I was going to upgradde my mobo and my cpu to a 2500+ barton cpu. is
it really worth it?

thanks

paul
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Make sure anti-aliasing, anisotopic filtering, and vsync are off for
your benchmarks. And make sure you have the right AGP chipset driver
for your motherboard. But I think we have similar issues, because I
have a somewhat similar system to yours (2600+/266 instead of 2400+).
I've overclocked a little (to 139 fsb, 16x139 = 2.2 ghz) but got
"only" a best of 14376 in 3dMark 2001. I was expecting a little
more. I think the 133 FSB of these older motherboards/RAM just kills
3dMark 2001 performance. I have the impression that the 9800 needs a
pretty potent system behind it. I wonder if the ATI driver package
has more CPU or system load than the Nvidia drivers? And, with a
recent card like a 5900, why did you even bother to get another? I
think in many benchmarks of older games, the later GeForce series do
very well.

On the plus side, my games are running well and I can ramp up the
antialiasing and anisotopic much better than I could with my old
Ti4200. Good luck.
 
C

Chrisr

Its your slow board, or at least thats my conclusion. Everyone I have
seen, myself included (13,000 with 2001se), with a slow performing 9800
Pro have a 266 Mhz FSB board. You'll have to do some benching with
actual games to determine how fast it is really as 3DMark only tells you
half the story.
 
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Chip

Its your slow board, or at least thats my conclusion.
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I agree completely. 3dmark01 is really quite CPU limited, 3dmark03 less so.
But even with 3dmark01, scores of 17000+ should be easily attainable with a
9800 Pro. Heck, I can get that with my 9700 Pro.

Chip.
 
P

pwrberry

I am cpu limited, and also memory limited as its only pc2100. The
reason i got it was that it was only £178.00 inc vat from
overclockers.co.uk, see copy of ad below. Seemed like a huge bargain.
Plus i can sell the 5900 for at least a hundred, so all its really
cost me is £80

PowerColor Radeon 9800 Pro 128MB - Retail (GX-006-PC)
RADEON™ 9800 Series of visual processors is the most visually advanced
3D performer on the planet, delivering an immersive, cinematic
experience for the most demanding next-generation games with up to
256MB of DDR memory and a 256-bit memory interface. Merging advanced
stability with revolutionary features, RADEON™ 9800 Series is the only
Visual Processing family in its 2nd generation. Prepare yourself for
the world's fastest and most compelling gameplay, courtesy of the
unprecedented power, control and eight-pipeline architecture of
RADEON™ 9800 Series. Experience feature film quality on your PC, the
new standard in 3D entertainment. Advanced stability meets
revolutionary features with support for Microsoft® DirectX® 9.0,
OpenGL® feature sets and the only cinematic quality Visual Processing
Unit in its 2nd generation. Featuring CATALYST™, the industry's most
stable 3D acceleration software.

- 128MB of DDR memory provides increased performance
- 256-bit memory interface delivers the bandwidth for real-time 3D
graphics
- 8-pixel pipeline architecture doubles the rendering power
- SMARTSHADER™ 2.1 supports latest Microsoft® DirectX® 9.0, enabling
cinematic quality lighting and shadow effects
- SMOOTHVISION™ 2.1 delivers the sharpest, clearest textures without
sacrificing frame rates
- 128-bit full floating point enables billions of color variations for
same lighting and effects as Hollywood studios
- Featuring CATALYST™, the industry's most stable 3D acceleration
software
- Supports the latest Microsoft® DirectX® 9.0 and OpenGL® feature sets
- FULLSTREAM™ removes blocky artifacts from streaming Internet video
- VIDEOSHADER™ integrates features to provide unprecedented support
for digital and high definition video
- Supplied with FREE DX9 enabled Tomb Raider - The Angel of Darkness -
full game, Splinter Cell, Warcraft III, Will Rock, Breed, Colin McRae
Rally 3, TOCA Race Driver demos, Big Mutha Truckers and WinDVD 4 full
programmes


Full Specification

Price: £152.00 (£178.60 Including VAT at 17.5%)
 
D

Darthy

Got a powercolour 9800pro today. Im nit very impressed with its
performance compared to the nvidia fx5900 LX i just took out. System
specs are
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There are some big differencess... but they are both in the SAME
performance class, almost. (5900xt is about 20% slower)
athlon xp 2400+ cpu 266mhz fsb
512mb pc2100 ddr ram
Fine...

ECS K7S5A Mobo ( SiS chipset ) AGP 4x
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Crap motherboard.
Powercolour 9800 Pro 128Mb
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I have this.

Here are my results with the radeon 9800pro

3DMARK 01SE = 11769
3DMARK 03 BUILD 340 = 5031
Click to expand...

I get about 16,500 and 5600 (03)...
And with the Geforce FX 5900 LX ( 2.8ns Ram, slower model )

3DMARK 01SE = 10500
3DMARK 03 BUILD 340 = 5166
Click to expand...

On my Ti4200, I was getting just under 10,000.
Why on earth is my pc slower with the redeon card? I was under the
impression that it was the dogs bo****ks top notch card!
Click to expand...

Didn't I say your mobo was crap? (No insult implied) But also
software can effect performance. get SPYBOT SEARCH AND DESTORY
(www.downloads.com) and Zonelarm - remove spyware, junkware, etc.
I was going to upgradde my mobo and my cpu to a 2500+ barton cpu. is
it really worth it?
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Mobo yes... CPU... why? You're talking about spending about $150~200
for a decent AMD32 setup. not including MEMORY! (AMD2500 requires
faster RAM) and it would be a small speed bump..

Spend $300~320 on an AMD64-3000 (MSI brand MOBO & CPU) and you'll be
flying. And when WinXP64 comes out, you'll gain about 10~20% more
speed.
 
C

Chip

I am cpu limited, and also memory limited as its only pc2100. The
reason i got it was that it was only £178.00 inc vat from
overclockers.co.uk, see copy of ad below. Seemed like a huge bargain.
Plus i can sell the 5900 for at least a hundred, so all its really
cost me is £80
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Yes, but you could have bought the Sapphire 9800 Pro retail for £168!

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/acatalog/sapphire_ati_graphics_cards.html

Still, any 9800 Pro is a damned fine card.

Cheers,

Chip.
 
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