Ghost or something like it?

[Arno Wagner]

Hello, Arno:

VHS "made it," because it offered more recording time than Betamax did,
and at a nominal hit in video quality. There's nothing "abysmally bad"
about it...not even remotely so.

Not applying the "abysmally bad" to VHS. Still, the quality hit was
quite visible. We had Betamax equipment at shool for the video
equipment.

Arno

 

[Arno Wagner]

Not applying the "abysmally bad" to VHS. Still, the quality hit was
quite visible. We had Betamax equipment at shool for the video
equipment.

Forgot to say that this was all PAL. With "Never The Same Color"
(NTSC), it might not have been too visible.

Arno

 

[Rod Speed]

I emailed True Image and asked if I could install it on more than one home computer- they wrote
back that I must buy a copy for each computer. But, if I try to install it on more than one home
computer (not that I would <G>)- but if I did, would they all work?

Yep, it doesnt bother to check if its been installed previously.

The reason I wonder is that you can't get away with doing that with MS stuff
since you need to register MS's OSs and Office or they'll stop working-

No they dont.

and they'll catch you- unless you're a hacker and know how to get away with it.

What about Ghost? If I buy it, can I install it legally on more than one home computer?

Nope, and it trys harder to check if you are doing that.

Heck, such utility software should give us a break and let us legally install on more than one
computer- and yes, it would be fair to charge extra per computer, but not the full price per
computer- a fair charge per computer I can handle.

They consider the sticker price to be that.

 

[Contumeliorus Florius]

I emailed True Image and asked if I could install it on more than one home
computer- they wrote back that I must buy a copy for each computer. But, if
I try to install it on more than one home computer (not that I would <G>)-
but if I did, would they all work? The reason I wonder is that you can't get
away with doing that with MS stuff since you need to register MS's OSs and
Office or they'll stop working- and they'll catch you- unless you're a
hacker and know how to get away with it.

What about Ghost? If I buy it, can I install it legally on more than one
home computer?

Heck, such utility software should give us a break and let us legally
install on more than one computer- and yes, it would be fair to charge extra
per computer, but not the full price per computer- a fair charge per
computer I can handle.

Joe

Well, you don't need to install Acronis True Image on each computer to use
it on any computer. You install it to one computer and then you use it to
make a boot cdrom. You can use that boot cdrom with any computer (not
legally but it is a grey area and they have no way of knowing). You should
be using the boot cdrom to do your imaging and restores anyway. I never use
the Windows version.

 

[Rod Speed]

Well, you don't need to install Acronis True Image on each
computer to use it on any computer. You install it to one
computer and then you use it to make a boot cdrom. You can use
that boot cdrom with any computer (not legally but it is a grey area

Nope. They dont allow that, no grey area what so ever, legally.

and they have no way of knowing).

Its quite feasible to know, Symantec does, Acronis doesnt bother.

You should be using the boot cdrom to
do your imaging and restores anyway.

Wrong, you cant get incremental and differential images that way.

I never use the Windows version.

More fool you. Incremental and differential images have lots of advantages,
most obviously with very quick differential images just before you install or
modify something, so you can conveniently roll back to the pre install state,
if the system restore doesnt do the job, as it sometimes doesnt.

 

[Keith Wilby]

Hello, Arno:

VHS "made it," because it offered more recording time than Betamax did,
and at a nominal hit in video quality. There's nothing "abysmally bad"
about it...not even remotely so.

But V2000 had the best of both worlds, you could even turn the cassettes
over and record on the "other side" too. Better marketting for VHS ensured
that V2000 as a VCR sank without trace, although this is the technology used
(AIUI) in 8mm camcorders.

Keith.

 

[Keith Wilby]

Nope. They dont allow that, no grey area what so ever, legally.

I don't understand Acronis' licensing. They say you can use True Image on
more than one PC provided that you only have it installed on one at a time.
That's just daft - why not just limit you to using one instance at a time?

Keith.

 

[Joe]

Yep, it doesnt bother to check if its been installed previously.


No they dont.

(snipped)

Really? Uh.... I don't know why I thought the MS stuff would fail if you
don't register- I thought I saw once a warning that after a certain time,
that XP and Office would stop working or work at a reduced level.

Like, lets say you purchased a computer with XP and Office- then after a few
years the hard drive fails- you build a new computer and try to install
those copies of XP and Office- if you had registered XP and Office with the
original computer- then you try to register them with the newly built
computer- that MS could tell that it's a different machine because the
registration process sends MS info on the hardware- and then MS won't
register the software.

Joe

 

[Joe]

I'm now curious about how long it takes for either of these programs to make
a full image of say, a drive with 30 gigs of stuff on it. Say you're
stroring that 30 gigs of stuff on an external drive- how much slower will it
take to go to the external drive compared to an internal second drive?

Is the image compressed or exactly as on the original?

Joe

 

[Rod Speed]

Really?

Yep, really.

Uh.... I don't know why I thought the MS stuff would fail if you don't register- I thought I saw
once a warning that after a certain time, that XP and Office would stop working or work at a
reduced level.

Pity that is only a subset of 'MS stuff'. Doesnt happen with the corp
versions, or the OEM versions that come preinstalled on hardware.

Like, lets say you purchased a computer with XP and Office- then
after a few years the hard drive fails- you build a new computer and
try to install those copies of XP and Office- if you had registered
XP and Office with the original computer- then you try to register
them with the newly built computer- that MS could tell that it's a
different machine because the registration process sends MS info on the hardware- and then MS
won't register the software.

Pity that a system that comes with XP and Office preinstalled isnt
registered with MS and so MS wont even notice when you use the restore
process that came with that system to put it onto the new hard drive.

 

[Rod Speed]

I'm now curious about how long it takes for either of these programs
to make a full image of say, a drive with 30 gigs of stuff on it.

Basically its the speed of the hard drive that determines
that because its a very hard drive intensive operation but
it also depends on the cpu horsepower with compression.

Say you're stroring that 30 gigs of stuff on an external drive- how much slower will it take to go
to the external drive compared to an internal second drive?

Not that much, tho the difference is measurable.

Is the image compressed or exactly as on the original?

You can specify what level of compression you want used.

 

[Rod Speed]

I don't understand Acronis' licensing. They say you can use True Image on more than one PC
provided that you only have it installed on one at a time.
Correct.

That's just daft
Nope.

- why not just limit you to using one instance at a time?

Because they clearly believe that their approach is better.

And they are right, most obviously when you upgrade etc.

Even MS has the same approach with all but the OEM verions of their stuff
and MS's claim about what applys with OEM versions flouts the law in most
first world countrys and even the MS EULA acknowledges that and says that
that restriction with OEM versions doesnt apply when its contrary to law.

 

[Michael Daly]

Doesnt happen with the corp
versions, or the OEM versions that come preinstalled on hardware.

Preinstalled versions from a major vendor don't come with XP disks, so the issue
is moot - the best you can do is run their recovery disks. If you have no
ability to do multiple installs, there's no incentive for MS to bar the way.

Mike

 

[Rod Speed]

Rod Speed wrote

Preinstalled versions from a major vendor don't come with XP disks,

Some do, some dont.

so the issue is moot - the best you can do is run their recovery disks.

Not with the ones that come with an XP CD.

If you have no ability to do multiple installs, there's no incentive for MS to bar the way.

Irrelevant to his pig ignorant claim.

 

[Keith Wilby]

Because they clearly believe that their approach is better.

And they are right, most obviously when you upgrade etc.

Even MS has the same approach with all but the OEM verions of their stuff
and MS's claim about what applys with OEM versions flouts the law in most
first world countrys and even the MS EULA acknowledges that and says that
that restriction with OEM versions doesnt apply when its contrary to law.

I used to use a planning application called Plantrac Outlook which was
developed by a small software company in Woking called Computerline and
their licensing allowed for as many installations as you liked provided that
concurrent usage was limited to the number of licenses held. It relied on
honesty but then again so does the other (Acronis) method. "Why force
people to go to the trouble of uninstalling when you are trusted to use only
one instance per license?" was the philosophy and it didn't seem to do them
any harm.

 

[Rod Speed]

I used to use a planning application called Plantrac Outlook which was
developed by a small software company in Woking called Computerline
and their licensing allowed for as many installations as you liked provided that concurrent usage
was limited to the number of licenses held.

Yeah, there's been a few that do it like that.

It relied on honesty but then again so does the other (Acronis) method.

Some enforce it, not that hard to do.

"Why force people to go to the trouble of uninstalling when you are trusted to use only one
instance per license?" was the philosophy and it didn't seem to do them any harm.

Trouble is that its easy to exploit by those who choose to flout the restriction.

The whole point of the MS system is that hordes chose not to buy it when that was easy.

Plenty choose not to buy Acronis products, just download them instead.

 

[John Turco]

Hello, Arno:

Sorry, I disagree; I believe the "quality hit" was negligible, not
"quite visible."

Forgot to say that this was all PAL. With "Never The Same Color"
(NTSC), it might not have been too visible.

Arno

Don't forget, though: PAL, and SECAM, are both based on NTSC! They were
created for political/economic reasons, not technical ones, basically
(i.e., Europe didn't want to become too dependent on post-WWII, U.S.
technology).


Cordially,
John Turco <[email protected]>

 

[John Turco]

But V2000 had the best of both worlds, you could even turn the cassettes
over and record on the "other side" too. Better marketting for VHS ensured
that V2000 as a VCR sank without trace, although this is the technology used
(AIUI) in 8mm camcorders.

Keith.

Hello, Keith:

Okay, enlighten me (and the newsgroup): What was "V2000?"


Cordially,
John Turco <[email protected]>

 

[Rod Speed]

Hello, Arno:

Sorry, I disagree; I believe the "quality hit" was negligible, not
"quite visible."

Don't forget, though: PAL, and SECAM, are both based on NTSC!

No they arent.

They were created for political/economic reasons,
not technical ones, basically (i.e., Europe didn't want to
become too dependent on post-WWII, U.S. technology).

That is true of SECAM, but not PAL.

 

[Rod Speed]

Okay, enlighten me (and the newsgroup): What was "V2000?"

Another video tape technology that never did fly.