Getting Around "Access Is Denied"?

[(PeteCresswell)]

I've got a mystery folder on a drive that I put in a couple of
months ago. Basically the drive's only function is to accept
recorded TV.

The folder (fa00bf80b2aa7ba87ebf5b) looks like some sort of
leftover from an IE8 install bco the presence of files like
"IE8.cat" and a EULA.txt file that starts off with "MICROSOFT
SOFTWARE SUPPLEMENTAL LICENSE TERMS
MICROSOFT WINDOWS INTERNET EXPLORER 8 FOR MICROSOFT WINDOWS XP"

But this PC does not have IE8 on it - just IE6.

I've deleted most of the folder's contents, but there are still
files where Windows throws "Access Denied..." when I try to
delete or rename them.

Tried re-booting, but no change.

Short of booting to Linux or something, is there a way?

 

[VanguardLH]

I've got a mystery folder on a drive that I put in a couple of
months ago. Basically the drive's only function is to accept
recorded TV.

I've deleted most of the folder's contents, but there are still
files where Windows throws "Access Denied..." when I try to
delete or rename them.

Could be Windows Explorer has an open handle on the file which means the
file is in use.

- Open Task Manager.
- Kill all explorer.exe processes (Windows Explorer).
- Your desktop disappeares (it's managed by Windows Explorer).
- Use Task Manager's File -> New Task menu to run "cmd.exe".
- A console window opens.
- In the console window, delete the files using the 'del' command and
delete the folders using the 'rd' command.
- Type "exit" (sans quotes) in the console window to close it.
- In Task Manager, use File -> New Task menu to run "explorer.exe".
- Your desktop reappears (but some icons may be missing from the tray
area of the taskbar).

If that doesn't work, reboot into Windows' Safe Mode (hit the F8 key
immediately when Windows starts to load; if you see screens showing
Windows is loading, you're too late) and retry.

If that doesn't work, reboot into Windows' Recovery Console mode. You
might want to install the Recovery Console so it's an OS option on
startup; see http://support.microsoft.com/kb/314058.

If that doesn't work, get a utility to assist in removing handles to
files/folders that are inuse, like Unlocker (http://www.emptyloop.com/).

 

[(PeteCresswell)]

Per David H. Lipman:

You have to take ownership and add yourself permissions so you can delete
this HotFix artifact folder.

Control Panel | User Accounts | Pick an account to change says
that the ID I log on with has admin authority.

But when I tried taking ownership as per
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/308421, the Properties dialogs
did not contain a "Security" tab.

Maybe it's time to download a .ISO for a bootable Linux CD...

 

[David H. Lipman]

Per David H. Lipman:

Control Panel | User Accounts | Pick an account to change says
that the ID I log on with has admin authority.

But when I tried taking ownership as per
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/308421, the Properties dialogs
did not contain a "Security" tab.

Maybe it's time to download a .ISO for a bootable Linux CD...

If it is HP Home, you mau have to boot into Safe Mode for the Security Tab.

 

[Paul]

Per David H. Lipman:

Control Panel | User Accounts | Pick an account to change says
that the ID I log on with has admin authority.

But when I tried taking ownership as per
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/308421, the Properties dialogs
did not contain a "Security" tab.

Maybe it's time to download a .ISO for a bootable Linux CD...

The Ubuntu site is only offering a Unity based download, so
time to dump them. (I've tested it, and the interface sucks.)

That leaves something like Linux Mint (Ubuntu like). I haven't been
testing them.

I've usually had pretty good luck with Knoppix. Knoppix is
a LiveCD, but with less emphasis on installing to a hard drive.
It's really intended to be LiveCD mostly. Or, you might be
able to load a USB stick, and place a persistent store on the
USB stick.

http://www.knopper.net/knoppix-mirrors/

It can be a bit daunting, looking at the download list.

http://mirrors.kernel.org/knoppix/

The one I downloaded last year, was this one. The "Adrienne" might
be for hearing or vision impaired, while the vanilla CD might
lack that option.

KNOPPIX_V6.7.1CD-2011-09-14-EN.iso 733,839,360 bytes

You can mount a volume, by using File Manager and clicking a
partition in there. Then, open an LXTerminal, do "df" to
see the mount point for each partition you've clicked,
then "cd /media/blah" and work your way down to the
thing you want to delete. An "rm blah.txt" would remove
the file. Or "rm -f blah.txt" if you want to force it.
Recursive removal (whole directory tree) is "rm -Rf baddir"

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/3289/k671.gif

You can run the "root terminal" from that menu, and
then you're running as "real root" or the equivalent
of Adminstrator. Usingthe LXTerminal, you might need
the occasional "sudo rm -f blah.txt" if you need to
run elevated. The root terminal avoids that step,
no "mother may I"...

Paul

 

[micky]

Per David H. Lipman:

Control Panel | User Accounts | Pick an account to change says
that the ID I log on with has admin authority.

But when I tried taking ownership as per
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/308421, the Properties dialogs
did not contain a "Security" tab.

Maybe it's time to download a .ISO for a bootable Linux CD...

Or a bootable DOS CD.

But better than either is Hirem's something or other.

Just google Hirem's. Maybe the rest is Emgergency Boot CD.

It has a short version of XP that doesn't use your regular XP files
so you will have access to them, and it has loads of shareware (not
with explanation and much of it is hard for me to understand, but
otoh, if I really needed those programs, I would figure it out.

 

[jim]

On Tue, 8 May 2012 08:25:55 -0500, in microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,

- Kill all explorer.exe processes (Windows Explorer).
- Your desktop disappeares (it's managed by Windows Explorer).
- Use Task Manager's File -> New Task menu to run "cmd.exe".

Capital C Clever!

 

[Don Phillipson]

The folder (fa00bf80b2aa7ba87ebf5b) looks like some sort of
leftover from an IE8 install bco the presence of files like
"IE8.cat" and a EULA.txt file that starts off with "MICROSOFT
SOFTWARE SUPPLEMENTAL LICENSE TERMS
MICROSOFT WINDOWS INTERNET EXPLORER 8 FOR MICROSOFT WINDOWS XP"

But this PC does not have IE8 on it - just IE6.

I've deleted most of the folder's contents, but there are still
files where Windows throws "Access Denied..." when I try to
delete or rename them.

Tried re-booting, but no change.

Short of booting to Linux or something, is there a way?

You should be able to delete files (or the folder) from a
DOS prompt because DOS is not bound by Windows
protection systems.

 

[Char Jackson]

You should be able to delete files (or the folder) from a
DOS prompt because DOS is not bound by Windows
protection systems.

DOS is long gone, replaced by the Command Prompt. The standard Windows
protections systems usually apply at the Command Prompt.

 

[(PeteCresswell)]

Per Char Jackson:

The standard Windows
protections systems usually apply at the Command Prompt.

Confirmed.

 

[micky]

Per Char Jackson:

Confirmed.

I think when you're in Windows that's true, but it's not important if
you ignore windows, don't start windows, and boot to straight DOS.

But I misspelled the name before of what I recommend.

http://www.hirensbootcd.org/download/ with an n, not an m.

Hmmm. I don't know why when I put the cursor on "Download", the file
name at the bottom includes ...googleadservices....
But I think I've dl'd from there before wth no problem, and used
several of the included programs, including the mini-XP and something
equivalent to windows explorer.

Here's another possible source.
http://www.softexia.com/hirens-bootcd.html

whose first entry points to http://hbcd/hnsdc.com/....

 

[micky]

I think when you're in Windows that's true, but it's not important if
you ignore windows, don't start windows, and boot to straight DOS.

But I misspelled the name before of what I recommend.

http://www.hirensbootcd.org/download/ with an n, not an m.

Hmmm. I don't know why when I put the cursor on "Download", the file
name at the bottom includes ...googleadservices....

Oh, because the two big Download buttons are for something else.

For the program, go down near the bottom and click on the file name in
the light green box.

 

[Char Jackson]

Indeed they do; that's why Don said a DOS prompt, reached by booting
from a DOS boot disc.

You're assuming facts not in evidence.

 

[Char Jackson]

Unfortunately that will only work (and with 8.3 type filenames, though
figuring those out isn't usually a problem, especially if all you want
to do is delete files) if the disc in question is formatted with a FAT
variant; if it's NTFS, which is the default for XP and later, then DOS
just won't see it. (XP will quite happily _run_ on FAT discs [though
without some of the sophisticated access controls that most home users
don't need anyway], but defaults to NTFS at install.)

But you can get those NTFS for DOS utilities, if you're persistent enough to
find them.

You don't need to be persistent. They aren't hidden. ;-)

 

[BillW50]

On Tue, 8 May 2012 18:53:12 -0400, "Don Phillipson"


DOS is long gone, replaced by the Command Prompt. The standard Windows
protections systems usually apply at the Command Prompt.

Indeed they do; that's why Don said a DOS prompt, reached by booting
from a DOS boot disc.

Unfortunately that will only work (and with 8.3 type filenames, though
figuring those out isn't usually a problem, especially if all you want
to do is delete files) if the disc in question is formatted with a FAT
variant; if it's NTFS, which is the default for XP and later, then DOS
just won't see it. (XP will quite happily _run_ on FAT discs [though
without some of the sophisticated access controls that most home users
don't need anyway], but defaults to NTFS at install.)

If I am not mistaken, all NT kernel based Windows defaults to NTFS,
Windows 2000 included. And I really don't see any need for a DOS based
OS (for NT OS anyway), since this has been obsolete since BartPE and
WinPE anyway.

 

[BillW50]

In message <[email protected]>, Char
Jackson
On Tue, 8 May 2012 18:53:12 -0400, "Don Phillipson"
[]
You should be able to delete files (or the folder) from a
DOS prompt because DOS is not bound by Windows
protection systems.

DOS is long gone, replaced by the Command Prompt. The standard
Windows protections systems usually apply at the Command Prompt.

Indeed they do; that's why Don said a DOS prompt, reached by booting
from a DOS boot disc.

Unfortunately that will only work (and with 8.3 type filenames,
though figuring those out isn't usually a problem, especially if all
you want to do is delete files) if the disc in question is formatted
with a FAT variant; if it's NTFS, which is the default for XP and
later, then DOS just won't see it. (XP will quite happily _run_ on
FAT discs [though without some of the sophisticated access controls
that most home users don't need anyway], but defaults to NTFS at
install.)

If I am not mistaken, all NT kernel based Windows defaults to NTFS,
Windows 2000 included. And I really don't see any need for a DOS
based OS (for NT OS anyway), since this has been obsolete since
BartPE and WinPE anyway.

Not Neccessarily. XP defaults to FAT32 for less than 32GB and NTFS

32GB. I think it was the same for Win2K.

Boy I don't know why I don't recall that one. But I do recall that
Windows 2000/XP won't allow you to use FAT32 if it is over 32GB though.
Do you have any sources?

 

[Tim Slattery]

Boy I don't know why I don't recall that one. But I do recall that
Windows 2000/XP won't allow you to use FAT32 if it is over 32GB though.
Do you have any sources?

No so. XP will not *create* a FAT32 partition larger than 32GB (I
think that's the limit), but it has no problem using larger FAT32
partitions created using other tools.

 

[BillW50]

No so. XP will not *create* a FAT32 partition larger than 32GB (I
think that's the limit), but it has no problem using larger FAT32
partitions created using other tools.

Sorry Tim... that is what I meant to say. I just worded it wrong, sorry.