Get daily count from these table designs?

L

LMB

Hi Everyone,

I am still in the table design phase of my Respiratory Therapy Assignment
database. These are just 3 of the tables but I think they are the tables
that I am planning to get the info I want for one query/report. I want to
get a total count for a particular type of therapy for each day. I want to
know how many aerosol treatments, MDI treatments, Vent checks were done by
day, week, month, quarter etc. Since I have a start and end date/time
fields I think it should work but I can't visualize how I would get a query
to show me this. I will also need to make sure if a frequency is change, a
new therapy record is started or is there another way to allow a frequency
change for the same therapy withoug losing the previous frequency that was
entered? You are also invited to let me know if something looks wrong that
is not related to my question.............Thanks, Linda

tblPatients
PtID
MRNum
AdmitNum
AdmitDtTm (Date patient was admitted to hospital)
PtDCDtTm (Date Patient is discharged from hospital)
PtLName
PtFName
PtMI
PtDOB
PtActive (y/n) (I need this because the DC from hospital date may take place
after the patient is DCd from respiratory therapy)
Isolation (y/n)

tblPtThpy
PtThpyID
PtID_fk
ThpyTypeID_fk
PhysID_fk
ThpyEquipTagNum
ThpyStDtTm
ThpyEndDtTm
ThpyRenewDtTm
ThpyOrderNum
TherapyFreq
PtThpyOnProtocols (y/n)
PtThpyActive (y/n)


tblThpyType
ThpyTypeID
ThpyType (Aerosol treatments, MDI treatments, Ventilators, etc..)
ThpyPoints
 
A

Amy Blankenship

LMB said:
Hi Everyone,

I am still in the table design phase of my Respiratory Therapy Assignment
database. These are just 3 of the tables but I think they are the tables
that I am planning to get the info I want for one query/report. I want to
get a total count for a particular type of therapy for each day. I want
to know how many aerosol treatments, MDI treatments, Vent checks were done
by day, week, month, quarter etc. Since I have a start and end date/time
fields I think it should work but I can't visualize how I would get a
query to show me this. I will also need to make sure if a frequency is
change, a new therapy record is started or is there another way to allow a
frequency change for the same therapy withoug losing the previous
frequency that was entered? You are also invited to let me know if
something looks wrong that is not related to my
question.............Thanks, Linda

tblPatients
PtID
MRNum
AdmitNum
AdmitDtTm (Date patient was admitted to hospital)
PtDCDtTm (Date Patient is discharged from hospital)
PtLName
PtFName
PtMI
PtDOB
PtActive (y/n) (I need this because the DC from hospital date may take
place after the patient is DCd from respiratory therapy)
Isolation (y/n)

First, if you want a patient to be able to stay multiple times and to be
able to get information on those stays as the same patient, that information
cannot be stored in the same table as the patient him/herself. Note I don't
know what MRNum is. So I am leaving it out. If it is directly related to
who the patient is, put it in tblPatients. If it is related to a particular
hospital stay, put it in tblPatientStay.

tblPatients
=======
PtID
PtLName
PtFName
PtMI
PtDOB
PtSSN (I suspect you'll need this to distinguish patients from time to time)

tblPatientStay
==========
PtID (fk to patients)
AdmitNum
AdmitDtTm
DischargeDtTM
IsolationYsN

tblPtThpy
PtThpyID
PtID_fk
ThpyTypeID_fk
PhysID_fk
ThpyEquipTagNum
ThpyStDtTm
ThpyEndDtTm
ThpyRenewDtTm
ThpyOrderNum
TherapyFreq
PtThpyOnProtocols (y/n)
PtThpyActive (y/n)

This also seems to be a combination of what should be two tables. The first
is whether patient should be receiving therapy, and the second is therapy
actually received. Note that if you know when therapy is to start and end,
you don't need anything that tells you whether a patient is actively
receiving therapy, because any time when they are not supposed to be
receiving therapy, they would be inactive. Presumably when a therapy comes
up for renewal, they are either renewed, in which case the renewal period
would be the current therapy period, or they are not renewed, in which case
they are inactive. I'm leaving off PtTpyOnProtocols, because it is not
obvious where it belongs.

The above table should probably look like this:

tblPatientTherapy
PtThpyID
ptID
ThpyTypeID
PhysID
BeginOnDtTm
RenewOnDtTm
ThpyOrderNum
ThpFreq

tblTherapySessions
PtThpyID
ThpyEquipTagNum
SessionStartDtTm
SessionEndDtTm
TechnicianID
tblThpyType
ThpyTypeID
ThpyType (Aerosol treatments, MDI treatments, Ventilators, etc..)
ThpyPoints

This one is better, but I suspect that since ThpyPoints is plural, it should
probably point to another table to allow it to relate to multiple records.
More than likely, you'll need to have a table of possible points and a
junction table between tblPatientTherapyType to allow you to define the
points only once, yet use them in more than one therapy.

HTH;

Amy
 
A

Amy Blankenship

Amy Blankenship said:
First, if you want a patient to be able to stay multiple times and to be
able to get information on those stays as the same patient, that
information cannot be stored in the same table as the patient him/herself.
Note I don't know what MRNum is. So I am leaving it out. If it is
directly related to who the patient is, put it in tblPatients. If it is
related to a particular hospital stay, put it in tblPatientStay.

tblPatients
=======
PtID
PtLName
PtFName
PtMI
PtDOB
PtSSN (I suspect you'll need this to distinguish patients from time to
time)

tblPatientStay
==========
PtID (fk to patients)
AdmitNum
AdmitDtTm
DischargeDtTM
IsolationYsN



This also seems to be a combination of what should be two tables. The
first is whether patient should be receiving therapy, and the second is
therapy
actually received. Note that if you know when therapy is to start and
end, you don't need anything that tells you whether a patient is actively
receiving therapy, because any time when they are not supposed to be
receiving therapy, they would be inactive. Presumably when a therapy
comes up for renewal, they are either renewed, in which case the renewal
period would be the current therapy period, or they are not renewed, in
which case they are inactive. I'm leaving off PtTpyOnProtocols, because
it is not obvious where it belongs.

The above table should probably look like this:

tblPatientTherapy
PtThpyID
ptID
ThpyTypeID
PhysID
BeginOnDtTm
RenewOnDtTm
ThpyOrderNum
ThpFreq

tblTherapySessions
PtThpyID
ThpyEquipTagNum
SessionStartDtTm
SessionEndDtTm
TechnicianID

Oops, this should probably have an autonumber primary key as well, call it
TherapySessionID.

I forgot to answer the original question, which becomes much easier now with
this table structure. You simply query TherapySessions for all sessions
with a given PtTpyID in the period you are interested in.

HTH;

Amy
 
L

LMB

Amy Blankenship said:
First, if you want a patient to be able to stay multiple times and to be
able to get information on those stays as the same patient, that
information cannot be stored in the same table as the patient him/herself.
Note I don't know what MRNum is. So I am leaving it out. If it is
directly related to who the patient is, put it in tblPatients. If it is
related to a particular hospital stay, put it in tblPatientStay.

No, we are only interested in the current patient stay. It's a database to
determine therapist assignments but the long term data is to keep track of
patients on therapy and how long they are in the hospital. We have
determined that patients who are on protocols (explained in more detail
below) get better faster and are thus discharged out of ICU sooner than
patients who are not on protocols. Now we want to expand it and get it into
a database to see if the patient's hospital LOS is also reduced and also
collect and report the data each quarter and thenby year. We now pull
patient charts after they are discharged from the hospital and enter the
info into a spreadsheet. This is very time consuming. Since our staff
already tracks most of the info on the current "flat" database then just
deletes the record when the patient is off therapy, my idea was to never
delete the records and our group could add the extra info after the patient
is gone into the new database. Some questions we would like to get
answered....Who is on therapy today and what is their location and name.
What doctors are ordering protocols and which ones do not. Are ventilator
patients in certain units getting off the ventilator sooner than patients in
other units? How many aerosol treatments were ordered and how many did we
do last week? MR number is Medical Record number and is assigned to a
patient on their first admission to the system by Admissions department and
is unique to that patient. Admit number is for the current admission and
the billing people use this so we need it listed. We would use the MR
number if we wanted to pull a patient chart or look up other admissions on
the hospital database. I do not use SS numbers because MR number would be
unique to that patient and there is no need for us to have the patients SS
number on our database. Our database has nothing to do with the
hospital/system database or electronic health record. It is soley for the
RT departments use.
tblPatients
=======
PtID
PtLName
PtFName
PtMI
PtDOB
PtSSN (I suspect you'll need this to distinguish patients from time to
time)

tblPatientStay
==========
PtID (fk to patients)
AdmitNum
AdmitDtTm
DischargeDtTM
IsolationYsN



This also seems to be a combination of what should be two tables. The
first is whether patient should be receiving therapy, and the second is
therapy actually received. Note that if you know when therapy is to start
and end, you don't need anything that tells you whether a patient is
actively receiving therapy, because any time when they are not supposed to
be receiving therapy, they would be inactive. Presumably when a therapy
comes up for renewal, they are either renewed, in which case the renewal
period would be the current therapy period, or they are not renewed, in
which case they are inactive. I'm leaving off PtTpyOnProtocols, because
it is not obvious where it belongs.

Any active patient is recieving therapy, we don't keep track of the other
patients only our respiratory patients. A patient may be on a ventilator,
aerosol treatment, etc to start with then the ventilator will be
discontinued and that ThpyType would be inactive but the aerosol Thpy would
still be active. Once a patient isn't on any therapy, I thought we would
make them inactive. Now that I think about it, there could be a patient
that is off of all therapy then a couple of days or even a week later be
reactivated so I need to think about how that would work too.
PtTpyOnProtocols is a yes/no field. Each type of therapy is either a
protocol (which the therapist is responsible for determining what frequency
they need or what ventilator settings they need) or not. We keep track of
this because we have stats that show that patients on protocols actually do
better than non-protocol patients and we need to keep tracking this. It is
being done by hand right now so the database will hopefully save some time.

Back to the pencil and paper. Thanks for bringing up the part about "should
be recieving therapy" and actually recieved. I need to work that into the
database somehow too because we could possibly get additional information
about missed treatments etc...
The above table should probably look like this:

tblPatientTherapy
PtThpyID
ptID
ThpyTypeID
PhysID
BeginOnDtTm
RenewOnDtTm
ThpyOrderNum
ThpFreq

tblTherapySessions
PtThpyID
ThpyEquipTagNum
SessionStartDtTm
SessionEndDtTm
TechnicianID


This one is better, but I suspect that since ThpyPoints is plural, it
should probably point to another table to allow it to relate to multiple
records. More than likely, you'll need to have a table of possible points
and a junction table between tblPatientTherapyType to allow you to define
the points only once, yet use them in more than one therapy.

ThpyPoints is actually not plural it is just one number we assign to each
therapy type to determine productivity and number of therapists we will need
for the shift. Aerosol treatments are given 2 points per treatment, MDI is
given 1/2 point if done on a vent patient, 1 point if done on a non vent
patient, vent checks are given 2 points etc... Each point is about equal to
10 minutes of time so we add up all the points for all floors to determine
how many therapists are needed for the 12 hour shift then we also do it per
area and determine how many therapists are needed for that wing or how many
wings one therapists will cover.

..

Thanks so much, I'll be working some more on it this weekend and probably
start a new thread with hopefully more clear intentions and slightly
different table structures
 
A

Amy Blankenship

LMB said:
No, we are only interested in the current patient stay. It's a database
to determine therapist assignments but the long term data is to keep track
of patients on therapy and how long they are in the hospital. We have
determined that patients who are on protocols (explained in more detail
below) get better faster and are thus discharged out of ICU sooner than
patients who are not on protocols. Now we want to expand it and get it
into a database to see if the patient's hospital LOS is also reduced and
also collect and report the data each quarter and thenby year. We now
pull patient charts after they are discharged from the hospital and enter
the info into a spreadsheet. This is very time consuming. Since our
staff already tracks most of the info on the current "flat" database then
just deletes the record when the patient is off therapy, my idea was to
never delete the records and our group could add the extra info after the
patient is gone into the new database. Some questions we would like to
get answered....Who is on therapy today and what is their location and
name. What doctors are ordering protocols and which ones do not. Are
ventilator patients in certain units getting off the ventilator sooner
than patients in other units? How many aerosol treatments were ordered
and how many did we do last week? MR number is Medical Record number and
is assigned to a patient on their first admission to the system by
Admissions department and is unique to that patient. Admit number is for
the current admission and the billing people use this so we need it
listed. We would use the MR number if we wanted to pull a patient chart
or look up other admissions on the hospital database. I do not use SS
numbers because MR number would be unique to that patient and there is no
need for us to have the patients SS number on our database. Our database
has nothing to do with the hospital/system database or electronic health
record. It is soley for the RT departments use.

I suspect you'll find once you have more complete data (all stays for all
patients), you'll find some other questions that could be answered. For
instance, how many aereson treatments were ordered this year compared to
last year, and are we performing all of them at a better or worse rate than
last year. If you only care about the patient's current stay, you will
never be answer that question unless patients are all staying a LONG time.
I'm not sure why many people would rather design a database that discards
data when with the same amount of effort they can have a database that keeps
it, but there seem to be a lot of people who are highly allergic to
historical data.
Any active patient is recieving therapy, we don't keep track of the other
patients only our respiratory patients.

Then why even have a field as to whether they are active or not, as in your
original design?

A patient may be on a ventilator, aerosol treatment, etc to start with then
the ventilator will be discontinued and that ThpyType would be inactive but
the aerosol Thpy would still be active.

The design I gave you allows you to specify per therapy when the therapy
starts and ends. If you're not between the start and end dates, you
wouldn't be active.
Once a patient isn't on any therapy, I thought we would make them inactive.
Now that I think about it, there could be a patient that is off of all
therapy then a couple of days or even a week later be reactivated so I need
to think about how that would work too.

Now you're starting to get the idea. If you look at the design I gave you,
you will see that this is handled.
PtTpyOnProtocols is a yes/no field. Each type of therapy is either a
protocol (which the therapist is responsible for determining what
frequency they need or what ventilator settings they need) or not. We
keep track of this because we have stats that show that patients on
protocols actually do better than non-protocol patients and we need to
keep tracking this. It is being done by hand right now so the database
will hopefully save some time.

Then it goes in tblPatientTherapy
Back to the pencil and paper. Thanks for bringing up the part about
"should be recieving therapy" and actually recieved. I need to work that
into the database somehow too because we could possibly get additional
information about missed treatments etc...

OK, if you want to work it in "somehow" you are welcome to come up with
something other than the design that I gave you, which handles it.
ThpyPoints is actually not plural it is just one number we assign to each
therapy type to determine productivity and number of therapists we will
need for the shift. Aerosol treatments are given 2 points per treatment,
MDI is given 1/2 point if done on a vent patient, 1 point if done on a non
vent patient, vent checks are given 2 points etc... Each point is about
equal to 10 minutes of time so we add up all the points for all floors to
determine how many therapists are needed for the 12 hour shift then we
also do it per area and determine how many therapists are needed for that
wing or how many wings one therapists will cover.

Ah, I was picturing points of the body. See how important it is to be clear
when you ask a question?

Hope this clarifies;

Amy
 

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