Further reason to hate IE and to use Firefox.

[Bob Adkins]

That looks like a question. And is it useful?

Useful to whom?

Considering that 90% of all PC's on the planet would not boot up without
it, I would have to say it's useful. Businesses and financial markets would
come to a sudden halt. Deliveries would stop. Law enforcement would be
crippled. Airlines would park their jets.

If all the other OS's would suddenly vanish, it would be a mere blip on the
radar.

Don't mistake me for an MS fanboy. I'm not!

 

[Daniel Mandic]

Firefox loads web pages at least twice as fast as IE on my computer.
And has for over a year.

Firefox 1.0.7, IE 6 SP1. IE is slow as molasses.

Yes yes,

The Internet is faster (therefore many pages are not working properly)
with Opera, Firefox, Netscape etc... every Browser is faster than IE.

No, I meant the technical Speed. IE is the best programmed Browser.
Page Scrolling, Task Switching... everything works fast as a Texteditor.
Other Browser are clunky, overloaded and lame. IE is the fastest.
Sometimes I have 20 and more IE-Bars and switch them like small
Notepad-Texts.





Best Regards,

Daniel Mandic

 

[Fred K]

Yes, and IE and MS are the direct responsible of the tsunami last year. And
damn, the last earthquake in Iran is also a work of you know who. Makes me
whish a slow and painful death to all thos "¤%#¤%&%¤#&%¤#&56. Long live
Linux and Firefox, the messiahs!

 

[FirstName LastName]

John Corliss wrote:

"Regards from John Corliss
My current killfile: aafuss, Chrissy Cruiser, Slowhand Hussein, BEN
RITCHEY and others.
Generally speaking, if I don't respond to somebody who is acting
immaturely, it's because I've killfiled them.

No adware, cdware, commercial software, crippleware, demoware, nagware,
PROmotionware, shareware, spyware, time-limited software, trialware,
viruses or warez please."

I and most us don't want to know who is in your kill file. And the ones
that are in your kill don't care. So why don't you trim your sig.

 

[John Corliss]

John Corliss wrote:

"Regards from John Corliss
My current killfile: aafuss, Chrissy Cruiser, Slowhand Hussein, BEN
RITCHEY and others.
Generally speaking, if I don't respond to somebody who is acting
immaturely, it's because I've killfiled them.

No adware, cdware, commercial software, crippleware, demoware, nagware,
PROmotionware, shareware, spyware, time-limited software, trialware,
viruses or warez please."

I and most us

Now just exactly how would you know that?

don't want to know who is in your kill file. And the ones
that are in your kill don't care. So why don't you trim your sig.

If you don't like my signature file, I suggest that you killfile my
posts. EOD.

--
Regards from John Corliss
My current killfile: aafuss, Chrissy Cruiser, Slowhand Hussein, BEN
RITCHEY and others.
Generally speaking, if I don't respond to somebody who is acting
immaturely, it's because I've killfiled them.

No adware, cdware, commercial software, crippleware, demoware, nagware,
PROmotionware, shareware, spyware, time-limited software, trialware,
viruses or warez please.

 

[Mike Bourke]

What the hell are you talking about, Mike? Are you calling me a liar? I
composed that OP immediately after experiencing exactly what I
described.

Ok, John. I have never experienced that problem except on sites that have
deliberately removed access to the menu and buttons; you have. But your
initial comment did not offer a url for a site where this had failed, which
led me to believe that you had not in fact experienced the problem
personally. There have been past occasions when people have excercised logic
that ran "I like [X} better than the MS Product. Therefore the MS product is
Bad / Evil / Flawed / Insecure / Unstable / Whatever. Therefore I will
believe everything anyone tells me about problems with the MS Product,
things it won't do, or won't do properly, or whatever, and will report it as
gospel regardless of its truth or circumstances."

To be honest, I was dissappointed to even have to consider you as one of the
redneck types that follow such "logic", as I had considered you better than
that. I'm glad to learn that my initial impression - that you ARE better
than that - is validated, and not my more recent impression based apon your
post - which made claims without substantiating them and which were
completely contrary to my own experience. Obviously, some bright spark has
thought up something new to restrict what visitors can do....

Mike

 

[=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=BBQ=AB?=]

Ok, John. I have never experienced that problem except on sites
that have deliberately removed access to the menu and buttons; you
have.

Of course the sites where he experienced it did that deliberately; he
never said it was accidental. The point was that MS allows pseudo-html
to cripple its browser, which some of us see as a drawback. It remains
unclear why you think it's nonsense.

 

[Azzman]

Changed subject to off-topic.

 

[Rili]

Well, that describes me.

and me when I use it at home. Like I said, it is a great browser! Just a
pity that this design flaw hasn't been fixed yet

Have you tried the tabbed browsing feature? I open up 12 tabs at the
same time every day. When I check my resources, there is no appreciable
hit.

One of the main reason I use it for is for tabbed browsing, simply
excellent, so excellent that IE had to incorporate this in IE7. If you
were to use task manager or process explorer to display all of the
memory columns (virtual, working and private) you would slowly see
virtual memory grow and grow and grow. I restart it when it gets to
around 800Mb or larger.

Unfortunately, I need to open hundreds of web pages over the course of
the week, so firefox starts to become quite slow

Looks to me like there are plans to deal with this issue.

Also, I have to wonder if Firefox behaves this way in Linux. There is no
way to verify how much of MS's Windows code is actually released to
other software developers. In other words, competitors have to live in
Microsoft's unheated "guest shed."

Firefox behaves like this on every architecture due to the fact of how
it handles pixmaps. Once an image is cached, it NEVER releases that
memory until all windows have been closed as mentioned in the below link.

When you run Mozilla or Firefox and load a web page with images, it
stores the uncompressed images as pixmaps in the X server. In
particular, it seems to maintain live pixmaps for all the images in all
the tabs that you have open; even if a tab is not visible, the images
will be in your X server's memory.

http://primates.ximian.com/~federico/news-2005-11.html#moz-images

 

[Margrave of Brandenburg]

Considering that 90% of all PC's on the planet would not boot up without
it, I would have to say it's useful. Businesses and financial markets would
come to a sudden halt. Deliveries would stop. Law enforcement would be
crippled. Airlines would park their jets.

OK ...

If all the other OS's would suddenly vanish, it would be a mere blip on the
radar.

Hardly! Most backend business software runs on Unix and mainframes.

 

[dszady]

Useful to whom?

Considering that 90% of all PC's on the planet would not boot up without
it, I would have to say it's useful. Businesses and financial markets would
come to a sudden halt. Deliveries would stop. Law enforcement would be
crippled. Airlines would park their jets.

If all the other OS's would suddenly vanish, it would be a mere blip on the
radar.

Don't mistake me for an MS fanboy. I'm not!

OMG. What a grip on humanity!

 

[dszady]

Daniel,
I've ordered another hard drive and will be installing Linux on it. In
the mean time, I will continue to use Windows because Linux is an option
that takes work and dedication to get into.

I've read an article about installing multiple IE's, 5.0 to 6.0sp2, in a
linux newsgroup. Remembering tha article, is the problem.

 

[Bob Adkins]

OMG. What a grip on humanity!

Sad, isn't it?

 

[=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=BBQ=AB?=]

Considering that 90% of all PC's on the planet would not boot up
without it, I would have to say it's useful. Businesses and
financial markets would come to a sudden halt. Deliveries would
stop. Law enforcement would be crippled. Airlines would park their
jets.

If all the other OS's would suddenly vanish, it would be a mere
blip on the radar.

A blip on the radar? Speaking of radar and airlines, if UNIX vanished,
all airlines would also park their jets, in the absence of air traffic
control. And businesses and financial markets would come to a sudden
halt. And law enforcement would be crippled. I'd guess loss of UNIX
would cause more trouble than loss of Windows, if only because it would
destroy the internet backbone(s).

Don't mistake me for an MS fanboy. I'm not!

You keep saying that.

But now we are off-topic finally, comparing payware operating systems.

 

[Marten Kemp]

Useful to whom?

Considering that 90% of all PC's on the planet would not boot up without
it, I would have to say it's useful. Businesses and financial markets would
come to a sudden halt. Deliveries would stop. Law enforcement would be
crippled. Airlines would park their jets.
If all the other OS's would suddenly vanish, it would be a mere blip on the
radar.
Don't mistake me for an MS fanboy. I'm not!

Hmm. Mainframes (*real* computers <grin>) probably account
for the majority of the major commercial data processing -
the kind of thing that prints checks and statements and
maintains inventories and keeps bank balances. Most
mainframes run zOS or zVM or Linux for S/390 or VSE
(dunno of there's a "z"-type of VSE). IBM's current
mainframes use Thinkpads running OS/2 as system hardware
consoles.

If M$ software evaporated overnight it'd be a major
problem to get them reloaded with something else,
but they *could* be reloaded with something else
because the hardware doesn't care what the software
is. The basic infrastructure of the business world
would hiccup because of all the desktops but the
real mission-critical systems wouldn't notice.

Of course, I'm a mainframe sysadmin and
these are my two zorkmids' worth.

--
-- Marten Kemp
(Fix name and ISP to reply)
-=-=-
.... Code is the fourth kind of literature, after prose, poetry and music.
-- Kahn (Steven J. Rush) on alt.support.childfree
* TagZilla 0.059 * http://tagzilla.mozdev.org

 

[John Corliss]

I've read an article about installing multiple IE's, 5.0 to 6.0sp2, in a
linux newsgroup. Remembering tha article, is the problem.

Darryl,
Ackkk! Why would anybody install IE if they were using Linux I wonder?
80)>


--
Regards from John Corliss
My current killfile: aafuss, Chrissy Cruiser, Slowhand Hussein, BEN
RITCHEY and others.
Generally speaking, if I don't respond to somebody who is acting
immaturely, it's because I've killfiled them.

No adware, cdware, commercial software, crippleware, demoware, nagware,
PROmotionware, shareware, spyware, time-limited software, trialware,
viruses or warez please.

 

[John Corliss]

and me when I use it at home. Like I said, it is a great browser! Just a
pity that this design flaw hasn't been fixed yet



One of the main reason I use it for is for tabbed browsing, simply
excellent, so excellent that IE had to incorporate this in IE7. If you
were to use task manager or process explorer to display all of the
memory columns (virtual, working and private) you would slowly see
virtual memory grow and grow and grow. I restart it when it gets to
around 800Mb or larger.

Unfortunately, I need to open hundreds of web pages over the course of
the week, so firefox starts to become quite slow



Firefox behaves like this on every architecture due to the fact of how
it handles pixmaps. Once an image is cached, it NEVER releases that
memory until all windows have been closed as mentioned in the below link.

When you run Mozilla or Firefox and load a web page with images, it
stores the uncompressed images as pixmaps in the X server. In
particular, it seems to maintain live pixmaps for all the images in all
the tabs that you have open; even if a tab is not visible, the images
will be in your X server's memory.

http://primates.ximian.com/~federico/news-2005-11.html#moz-images

It's unfortunate that Firefox can't meet your specialized needs. Maybe
someday though...

In my case however, I flush the cache after every use, turn off my
computer when I'm not sitting at it. I even have a batch file which
deltrees the cache and certain files, and I run it often. Maybe that's
more reason why I've never experienced the problems you describe.

--
Regards from John Corliss
My current killfile: aafuss, Chrissy Cruiser, Slowhand Hussein, BEN
RITCHEY and others.
Generally speaking, if I don't respond to somebody who is acting
immaturely, it's because I've killfiled them.

No adware, cdware, commercial software, crippleware, demoware, nagware,
PROmotionware, shareware, spyware, time-limited software, trialware,
viruses or warez please.

 

[Cologne]

In my case however, I flush the cache after every use, turn off my
computer when I'm not sitting at it. I even have a batch file which
deltrees the cache and certain files, and I run it often. Maybe that's
more reason why I've never experienced the problems you describe.

Oh, believe me , there are more problems than this, like the now infamous
"Out of virtual memory" problem or the 76 security vulnerabilities reported
last three monts (some of them very serious like the one vulnerability that
can allow hackers to spoof the URL displayed in the address bar and the SSL
certificate).

Really, it never stop to amaze me the feel of false security people get just
because they *think* they are safe just because the product doesn't come
from Redmond.

 

[John Corliss]

Oh, believe me , there are more problems than this, like the now infamous
"Out of virtual memory" problem or the 76 security vulnerabilities reported
last three monts (some of them very serious like the one vulnerability that
can allow hackers to spoof the URL displayed in the address bar and the SSL
certificate).

Really, it never stop to amaze me the feel of false security people get just
because they *think* they are safe just because the product doesn't come
from Redmond.

Or the false sense of security people get when they *think* they are
safe just because the product DOES come from Redmond.

Your mention of security problems with Firefox has been beat to death in
this group, but I'll recap the most salient point here yet again:

*Microsoft is far too slow in reacting to security problems with IE,
whereas the Firefox developers tend to take care of such problems very
quickly - often within hours or even minutes of discovery.*

ActiveX was a piss poor idea on Microsoft's part. There is not ONE thing
that ActiveX can do AFAIK that can't be done some other way by using
approved HTML code. My guess is ActiveX was an attempt on their part to
get people used to the idea of temporarily downloading online software.
This was so that Microsoft could further their progress toward their
ultimate goal of RENTING ONLINE SOFTWARE rather than selling licenses
for software which is installed on a person's hard drive.
____________________________________
As a side note: Dotnet is another such "strategic move" on the part of
Microsoft towards that end. That Microsoft often refers to having
"strategies" tends to make me think that they believe themselves to be
in a war with the consumer market, and view the end user as an enemy to
be dealt with in any fashion possible.

Given the blatent (IMO) collusion between the Unitied States judicial
system and Microsoft as well as current general public opinion of them,
perhaps they're not far from the mark...

--
Regards from John Corliss
My current killfile: aafuss, Chrissy Cruiser, Slowhand Hussein, BEN
RITCHEY and others.
Generally speaking, if I don't respond to somebody who is acting
immaturely, it's because I've killfiled them.

No adware, cdware, commercial software, crippleware, demoware, nagware,
PROmotionware, shareware, spyware, time-limited software, trialware,
viruses or warez please.

 

[Roger G]

Excuseme, ActiveX is a brilliant technology (when well used). It's like
saying the TCP/IP was a bad idea, just because all the problems we got.
TCP/IP is a good technology, when used well. But don't misuse it because
it'll beat you. Same with ActiveX and COM. (which actually is the same
thing).