FTP when using frames?

[DSG]

(1)
In FrontPage 2003, If I create a website that contains text in the main
Frames 'container' , and another Frames window to show the footnotes
hyperlinked from the main container, will I be able to use FTP to publish
that type of web? There will be no other content that will require FP server
extensions.

(2)
Even though I would use the above description for most of the content, can I
still have other normal .htm pages that contain other text and photos?

(3)
I would assume, then, that a right shared border might be important for
including navigation hyperlinks to guide the reader to different sections of
the content in the main frame (chapters, headers), as well as other type of
content in the web (.htm pages and photos).

A horizontal navigation bar would not be appropriate, because of the number
of chapters in the main Frames container.

I have installed FrontPage 2003 and have introduced myself to some of its
basic tools, but these are my initial concerns. I know several have
discounted Frames in websites, and I understand where they are coming from
because I tried to build a web using frames, which was a little too
complicated for the plan I was trying to set up. The only frames I would be
using in the proposed web would be (1) main content and (2) the footnotes
that eminate from the hyperlinked main document.

 

[Thomas A. Rowe]

See inline below.

--
==============================================
Thomas A. Rowe
Microsoft MVP - FrontPage

http://www.Ecom-Data.com
==============================================

(1)
In FrontPage 2003, If I create a website that contains text in the main
Frames 'container' , and another Frames window to show the footnotes
hyperlinked from the main container, will I be able to use FTP to publish
that type of web? There will be no other content that will require FP server
extensions.

The FP server extensions are not required for working with frame based sites, however frames are
rarely a good choice.

(2)
Even though I would use the above description for most of the content, can I
still have other normal .htm pages that contain other text and photos?

You can still have normal pages that load outside of the frameset, however this will be where you
may wish you have not used frames as you try navigating between pages and frames.

(3)
I would assume, then, that a right shared border might be important for
including navigation hyperlinks to guide the reader to different sections of
the content in the main frame (chapters, headers), as well as other type of
content in the web (.htm pages and photos).

FP navigation components are not designed to be used with frame based web sites.

A horizontal navigation bar would not be appropriate, because of the number
of chapters in the main Frames container.

FP navigation components are not designed to be used with frame based web sites.

 

[DSG]

Okay, you've answered my questions in a way that I got enough information to
go looking further. Thanks for that. (and I found Colligan and Cheshire's
reference to what is known as "frame hell" which is enough to probably
cancel my first option to use frames for my project.

So I see my other options:

(1) If I set up all my footnotes in a database,
- can I FTP to the site, or does this require FP extensions?
- I thought I saw some where that a database can be operated without active
server pages. Is that ever so?

(2) I've mentally pictured another very simple option with two questions:
- The option would be to set up the site so that when a hyperlink was
clicked for a footnote, it could be patterned the way clicking on a
thumbnail photo brings up another window. Each footnote would have its own
window. My question for this would be, (keeping in mind all users don't use
big screens) is there such a way that the window can not only be shown in a
minimal default size, but if the footnote is larger than the default size,
the window could 'grow?'
............................

(3) I also could use bookmarks - first create the bookmark, and then link to
the Footnotes file - and when using the Place in This Document, the viewer
could run down the footnotes to find the one they want. That seems a little
cumbersome for both the web-maker and the viewer using the information, but
it would work. I see that is a possibility in FP 2003 - (also in 2000)

I guess I need to find some good research documents and see how they do it.



: See inline below.
:
: --
: ==============================================
: Thomas A. Rowe
: Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
:
: http://www.Ecom-Data.com
: ==============================================
:
:
: : > (1)
: > In FrontPage 2003, If I create a website that contains text in the main
: > Frames 'container' , and another Frames window to show the footnotes
: > hyperlinked from the main container, will I be able to use FTP to
publish
: > that type of web? There will be no other content that will require FP
server
: > extensions.
:
: The FP server extensions are not required for working with frame based
sites, however frames are
: rarely a good choice.
:
: >
: > (2)
: > Even though I would use the above description for most of the content,
can I
: > still have other normal .htm pages that contain other text and photos?
:
: You can still have normal pages that load outside of the frameset, however
this will be where you
: may wish you have not used frames as you try navigating between pages and
frames.
:
: >
: > (3)
: > I would assume, then, that a right shared border might be important for
: > including navigation hyperlinks to guide the reader to different
sections of
: > the content in the main frame (chapters, headers), as well as other type
of
: > content in the web (.htm pages and photos).
:
: FP navigation components are not designed to be used with frame based web
sites.
:
: >
: > A horizontal navigation bar would not be appropriate, because of the
number
: > of chapters in the main Frames container.
:
: FP navigation components are not designed to be used with frame based web
sites.
:
: >
: > I have installed FrontPage 2003 and have introduced myself to some of
its
: > basic tools, but these are my initial concerns. I know several have
: > discounted Frames in websites, and I understand where they are coming
from
: > because I tried to build a web using frames, which was a little too
: > complicated for the plan I was trying to set up. The only frames I would
be
: > using in the proposed web would be (1) main content and (2) the
footnotes
: > that eminate from the hyperlinked main document.
: >
: >
:
:

 

[Thomas A. Rowe]

see inline below

--
==============================================
Thomas A. Rowe
Microsoft MVP - FrontPage

http://www.Ecom-Data.com
==============================================

Okay, you've answered my questions in a way that I got enough information to
go looking further. Thanks for that. (and I found Colligan and Cheshire's
reference to what is known as "frame hell" which is enough to probably
cancel my first option to use frames for my project.

So I see my other options:

(1) If I set up all my footnotes in a database,
- can I FTP to the site, or does this require FP extensions?
- I thought I saw some where that a database can be operated without active
server pages. Is that ever so?

You can use a database, but it does requires server-side scripting, whatever is supported by your
web host (such as ASP, ASP.net, PHP, etc.)

(2) I've mentally pictured another very simple option with two questions:
- The option would be to set up the site so that when a hyperlink was
clicked for a footnote, it could be patterned the way clicking on a
thumbnail photo brings up another window. Each footnote would have its own
window. My question for this would be, (keeping in mind all users don't use
big screens) is there such a way that the window can not only be shown in a
minimal default size, but if the footnote is larger than the default size,
the window could 'grow?'
...........................

Yes, you can use JavaScript popup windows / tooltips.

 

[DSG]

Thanks for taking the time to go over this. DSG

: see inline below
:
: --
: ==============================================
: Thomas A. Rowe
: Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
:
: http://www.Ecom-Data.com
: ==============================================
:
:
: > Okay, you've answered my questions in a way that I got enough
information to
: > go looking further. Thanks for that. (and I found Colligan and
Cheshire's
: > reference to what is known as "frame hell" which is enough to probably
: > cancel my first option to use frames for my project.
: >
: > So I see my other options:
: >
: > (1) If I set up all my footnotes in a database,
: > - can I FTP to the site, or does this require FP extensions?
: > - I thought I saw some where that a database can be operated without
active
: > server pages. Is that ever so?
:
: You can use a database, but it does requires server-side scripting,
whatever is supported by your
: web host (such as ASP, ASP.net, PHP, etc.)
:
: >
: > (2) I've mentally pictured another very simple option with two
questions:
: > - The option would be to set up the site so that when a hyperlink was
: > clicked for a footnote, it could be patterned the way clicking on a
: > thumbnail photo brings up another window. Each footnote would have its
own
: > window. My question for this would be, (keeping in mind all users don't
use
: > big screens) is there such a way that the window can not only be shown
in a
: > minimal default size, but if the footnote is larger than the default
size,
: > the window could 'grow?'
: > ...........................
:
: Yes, you can use JavaScript popup windows / tooltips.
:
: >
: > (3) I also could use bookmarks - first create the bookmark, and then
link to
: > the Footnotes file - and when using the Place in This Document, the
viewer
: > could run down the footnotes to find the one they want. That seems a
little
: > cumbersome for both the web-maker and the viewer using the information,
but
: > it would work. I see that is a possibility in FP 2003 - (also in 2000)
: >
: > I guess I need to find some good research documents and see how they do
it.
: >
: >
: >
: > : > : See inline below.
: > :
: > : --
: > : ==============================================
: > : Thomas A. Rowe
: > : Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
: > :
: > : http://www.Ecom-Data.com
: > : ==============================================
: > :
: > :
: > : : > : > (1)
: > : > In FrontPage 2003, If I create a website that contains text in the
main
: > : > Frames 'container' , and another Frames window to show the footnotes
: > : > hyperlinked from the main container, will I be able to use FTP to
: > publish
: > : > that type of web? There will be no other content that will require
FP
: > server
: > : > extensions.
: > :
: > : The FP server extensions are not required for working with frame based
: > sites, however frames are
: > : rarely a good choice.
: > :
: > : >
: > : > (2)
: > : > Even though I would use the above description for most of the
content,
: > can I
: > : > still have other normal .htm pages that contain other text and
photos?
: > :
: > : You can still have normal pages that load outside of the frameset,
however
: > this will be where you
: > : may wish you have not used frames as you try navigating between pages
and
: > frames.
: > :
: > : >
: > : > (3)
: > : > I would assume, then, that a right shared border might be important
for
: > : > including navigation hyperlinks to guide the reader to different
: > sections of
: > : > the content in the main frame (chapters, headers), as well as other
type
: > of
: > : > content in the web (.htm pages and photos).
: > :
: > : FP navigation components are not designed to be used with frame based
web
: > sites.
: > :
: > : >
: > : > A horizontal navigation bar would not be appropriate, because of the
: > number
: > : > of chapters in the main Frames container.
: > :
: > : FP navigation components are not designed to be used with frame based
web
: > sites.
: > :
: > : >
: > : > I have installed FrontPage 2003 and have introduced myself to some
of
: > its
: > : > basic tools, but these are my initial concerns. I know several have
: > : > discounted Frames in websites, and I understand where they are
coming
: > from
: > : > because I tried to build a web using frames, which was a little too
: > : > complicated for the plan I was trying to set up. The only frames I
would
: > be
: > : > using in the proposed web would be (1) main content and (2) the
: > footnotes
: > : > that eminate from the hyperlinked main document.
: > : >
: > : >
: > :
: > :
: >
: >
:
:

 

[.._..]

If I am reading you correctly, you want basically a format that can display
a "scientific paper type" page with the main text and a place for a reader
to easily get footnotes?

As the other poster said, a simple hyperlink to a new window might work well
for that. (If you are looking at one footnote, you might want to look at
others, in that case the user could leave the window open.) With a bit of
setup, you could make yourself a template page with the footnotes and
"anchor" tags already in it. So when creating the footnote page you just
fill in the paragraph without needing to recreate the page every time.

Or, at the bottom of the page create an iframe (a frame that is entirely
framed by the original page). Users could then scroll around in it, or
click on links within it and they would open in that frame. So, file with
article, footnote at bottom in iframe, then links in the article that direct
the iframe to display that particular footnote.

The new window option is easier to implement and maintain, but lacks the
"just like a printed paper neato" factor.