FS: (1) NEW HP LaserJet Toner + (2) NEW Epson color ink carts

A

[ a m z ]

*** Please REPLY via E-MAIL and EDIT reply ADDRESS ***

PayPal OK (and preferred).
____________________________________

ONE (1) BRAND NEW HP 92295A / 95A LaserJet toner cartridge - $10
Works with Hewlett-Packard Laser Jet II, IID, III, IIID
Authentic HP, still in original, factory-sealed box
____________________________________

TWO (2) BRAND NEW, factory-sealed, authentic Epson S020191 Color ink
cartridge. One is dated 7/2001 and one is 6/2002, but they're still in
their
vacuum-sealed packaging, so they're likely still fine. Some retailers
now
list this as S191089.

For: Epson Stylus Color 400, 440, 460, 600, 640, 660, 670, 740, 740i, 760,
780, 800, 800N, 850, 850N, 850Ne, 860, 1160, 1520; and Stylus Scan 2000,
2500 Pro.
 
M

measekite

SPAMMER

*** Please REPLY via E-MAIL and EDIT reply ADDRESS ***

PayPal OK (and preferred).
____________________________________

ONE (1) BRAND NEW HP 92295A / 95A LaserJet toner cartridge - $10
Works with Hewlett-Packard Laser Jet II, IID, III, IIID
Authentic HP, still in original, factory-sealed box
____________________________________

TWO (2) BRAND NEW, factory-sealed, authentic Epson S020191 Color ink
cartridge. One is dated 7/2001 and one is 6/2002, but they're still in
their
vacuum-sealed packaging, so they're likely still fine. Some retailers
now
list this as S191089.



For: Epson Stylus Color 400, 440, 460, 600, 640, 660, 670, 740, 740i, 760,
780, 800, 800N, 850, 850N, 850Ne, 860, 1160, 1520; and Stylus Scan 2000,
2500 Pro.
 
A

[ a m z ]

measekite said:

TOP POSTER! [original poster's top posting corrected]

And what the heck are you saying "spammer" for? By what definition? Only
x-posted to relevant and area groups (and fewer than 5 groups overall)...
Not a commercial sale... Brand new posting... Legal items (in original
factory boxes, no less!)... The ONLY thing I can imagine got your panties
in a bunch was the listing of printers the Epson ink works with. Why list
them? Because it is time-consuming responding to every post wanting to know
if something is compatible with what they already have.
 
Z

zakezuke

And what the heck are you saying "spammer" for? By what definition? Only
x-posted to relevant and area groups (and fewer than 5 groups overall)...

Hey amz...

comp.periphs.printers isn't a forsale group... I know it's not
documented but the charter at one point stated as such, but bugger if I
can find it... there was something like comp.periphs.forsale that would
be approperate.

measekite, this isn't a spammer, out of the 5 groups he posted two one
was off topic. Two groups I know the charter... one of which I wrote a
faq for. I know the guy.... and there are enough forsale postings in
c.p.p that it's easy for someone to make a mistake.
 
B

Bob Headrick

And what the heck are you saying "spammer" for? By what definition? Only
x-posted to relevant and area groups (and fewer than 5 groups overall)...
Not a commercial sale... Brand new posting... Legal items (in original
factory boxes, no less!)... The ONLY thing I can imagine got your panties
in a bunch was the listing of printers the Epson ink works with. Why list
them? Because it is time-consuming responding to every post wanting to know
if something is compatible with what they already have.

Comp.periphs.printers is not a forsale group. Please *do not* post forsale
items here.

- Bob Headrick
 
M

measekite

SPAMMER

[ a m z ] wrote:


*** Please REPLY via E-MAIL and EDIT reply ADDRESS ***

PayPal OK (and preferred).
____________________________________

ONE (1) BRAND NEW HP 92295A / 95A LaserJet toner cartridge - $10
Works with Hewlett-Packard Laser Jet II, IID, III, IIID
Authentic HP, still in original, factory-sealed box
____________________________________

TWO (2) BRAND NEW, factory-sealed, authentic Epson S020191 Color ink
cartridges. One is dated 7/2001 and one is 6/2002, but they're still
in

their vacuum-sealed packaging, so they're likely still fine. Some
retailers

now list this as S191089.



Retail for $29 each. Asking $10 for BOTH


For: Epson Stylus Color 400, 440, 460, 600, 640, 660, 670, 740, 740i,
760,

780, 800, 800N, 850, 850N, 850Ne, 860, 1160, 1520; and Stylus Scan 2000,
2500 Pro.
SPAMMER

TOP POSTER! [original poster's top posting corrected]

And what the heck are you saying "spammer" for? By what definition? Only
x-posted to relevant and area groups (and fewer than 5 groups overall)...
Not a commercial sale... Brand new posting... Legal items (in original
factory boxes, no less!)... The ONLY thing I can imagine got your panties
in a bunch was the listing of printers the Epson ink works with. Why list
them? Because it is time-consuming responding to every post wanting to know
if something is compatible with what they already have.
 
M

measekite

This crap is still spam. Unwanted advertising.
Hey amz...

comp.periphs.printers isn't a forsale group... I know it's not
documented but the charter at one point stated as such, but bugger if I
can find it... there was something like comp.periphs.forsale that would
be approperate.

measekite, this isn't a spammer, out of the 5 groups he posted two one
was off topic. Two groups I know the charter... one of which I wrote a
faq for. I know the guy.... and there are enough forsale postings in
c.p.p that it's easy for someone to make a mistake.
 
F

Frank

measekite said:
SPAMMER

[ a m z ] wrote:



*** Please REPLY via E-MAIL and EDIT reply ADDRESS ***

PayPal OK (and preferred).
____________________________________

ONE (1) BRAND NEW HP 92295A / 95A LaserJet toner cartridge - $10
Works with Hewlett-Packard Laser Jet II, IID, III, IIID
Authentic HP, still in original, factory-sealed box
____________________________________

TWO (2) BRAND NEW, factory-sealed, authentic Epson S020191 Color ink
cartridges. One is dated 7/2001 and one is 6/2002, but they're still

in


their vacuum-sealed packaging, so they're likely still fine. Some

retailers


now list this as S191089.



Retail for $29 each. Asking $10 for BOTH


For: Epson Stylus Color 400, 440, 460, 600, 640, 660, 670, 740, 740i,

760,


780, 800, 800N, 850, 850N, 850Ne, 860, 1160, 1520; and Stylus Scan
2000,
2500 Pro.



SPAMMER


TOP POSTER! [original poster's top posting corrected]

And what the heck are you saying "spammer" for? By what definition?
Only
x-posted to relevant and area groups (and fewer than 5 groups overall)...
Not a commercial sale... Brand new posting... Legal items (in original
factory boxes, no less!)... The ONLY thing I can imagine got your
panties
in a bunch was the listing of printers the Epson ink works with. Why
list
them? Because it is time-consuming responding to every post wanting
to know
if something is compatible with what they already have.
Moron!
Frank
 
A

[ a m z ]

zakezuke said:
overall)...

Hey amz...

comp.periphs.printers isn't a forsale group... I know it's not
documented but the charter at one point stated as such, but bugger if I
can find it... there was something like comp.periphs.forsale that would
be approperate.

measekite, this isn't a spammer, out of the 5 groups he posted two one
was off topic. Two groups I know the charter... one of which I wrote a
faq for. I know the guy.... and there are enough forsale postings in
c.p.p that it's easy for someone to make a mistake.

My apologies to c.p.p. readers. Will make a mental note in case the issue
comes up in the future.
 
Z

zakezuke

measekite said:
This crap is still spam. Unwanted advertising.

The usenet definition of spam is excessive unwanted postings. AMZ was
off topic but as there is no clear faq or charter posted for this group
he has an excuse. But you took it upon your self to not only
incorrectly call his little advert spam, but cross posted it to 4 news
groups.

The history of spam goes back to WWII when a little company called
Hormel decided to help out the Alies by sending them food, specificly
Spam(tm). It's since been coined with a bunch of stuff you don't want.
Spam isn't advertising, and has nothing to do with advertising.

I.e. your messages were spam. His were were off topic in one out of 5
groups. Yours were off topic in all groups. I can forgive him as this
is an unmoderated group without a clear faq and lots of advertising and
it's clear he attempted to be ontopic. But I can understand your
ignorance on the subject too so enclosed is the apperate segment from
the net abuse faq. Perhaps with some education in the future you can
id spam, ecp, emp, and just generally off topic messages.

----http://www.faqs.org/faqs/net-abuse-faq/part1/index.html
The term "spam," as used on this newsgroup, means "the same article
(or essentially the same article) posted an unacceptably high
number of times to one or more newsgroups." CONTENT IS IRRELEVANT.
'Spam' doesn't mean "ads." It doesn't mean "abuse." It doesn't
mean
"posts whose content I object to." Spam is a funky name for a
phenomenon that can be measured pretty objectively: did that post
appear X times? (See 3.1, "Yeah, but how many is X?')

There have been "customized" spams where each post made some
effort
to apply to each individual newsgroup, but the general thrust of
each article was the same. A huge straw poll on news.admin.policy,
news.admin.misc, and alt.current-events.net-abuse (December 1994)
showed that as many of 90% of the readers felt that cancellations
for these posts were justified. So, simply put: if you plan to
post
the same or extremely similar messages to dozens of newsgroups,
the
posts are probably going to get cancelled.

If you feel that a massive multi-post you are planning constitutes
an exception, you are more than welcome to run the idea past the
readers of news.admin.net-abuse.usenet for feedback first.
 
M

Mark Ferguson

This crap is still spam. Unwanted advertising.

Ass bite top posting dick head. Tell me which of the following groups
isn't for sale items or printer items:

seattle.forsale.computers
pnw.forsale
pdx.computing
comp.periphs.printers
misc.forsale.computers.printers

Learn to post properly dick head.

Here is the current FAQ for usenet spam:

Subject: FAQ: Current Usenet spam thresholds and guidelines


Summary: This posting contains the current Spam definitions,
thresholds, and guidelines, as used by most major spam cancellers and
news administrators.

Xref: sn-us news.admin.net-abuse.bulletins:18763
news.admin.net-abuse.usenet:359832
news.admin.net-abuse.sightings:2166133
news.admin.net-abuse.misc:192570 news.answers:277138

Archive-name: usenet/spam-faq
Posting-Frequency: weekly
Last-modified: 1998/11/10
URL: http://www.killfile.org/faqs/spam.html
Maintainer: (e-mail address removed) (Tim Skirvin)
Original-Author: (e-mail address removed) (Chris Lewis)

Current Spam thresholds and guidelines.

This article is intended to describe the current consensus spam
thresholds and ensure that the definitions of these terms are
available and consistent. It is believed that most, if not all, spam
cancellers use these terms and definitions in their work; however,
many other people use the terms inappropriately, which leads to
confusion in discussions. This is an informal FAQ aimed at clarity
and understanding, not anal-retentive correctness.

Excessive Multi-Posting (EMP) has the same meaning as the term "spam"
usually carries, but it is more accurate and self-explanatory. EMP
means, essentially, "too many separate copies of a substantively
identical article."

"Substantively identical" means that the material in each article is
sufficiently similar to construe the same message. The signature is
included in the determination. These are examples of substantively
identical articles:

- byte-for-byte identical messages
- otherwise identical postings minimally customized for
each group it appears in.
- advertising the same service.
- articles that consist solely of the same signature
- articles which consist of inclusions of other user's
postings, but are otherwise identical.

Cross-posting means that a single message appears in more than one
group. Most newsreaders allow you to specify more than one group in a
posting.

Excessive Crossposting (ECP) refers to where a "lot" of postings to
more than one group each have been made.

Some people think cross-posting is "bad". In and of itself, it's good
behaviour - it allows you to reach more groups with less impact on the
net. Especially if you set the Followup-to: header to one group. It
is "bad" when it's done to attack newsgroups or provoke flamewars
(like cross-posting how to cook a cat between alt.tasteless and
rec.pet.cats), but this is beyond the scope of this FAQ.

This author considers the term "spam" to mean excessive postings of
EMP and/or ECP variety. That is, "spam", is a generic term for
several different things. The term was originally supposed to mean
EMPs only, but most people use "spam" to mean "any excessive posting".

A spam, EMP, or ECP therefore refers to a posting that has been posted
to many places. There is a consensus that there is a point at which
it is abuse, and is subject to advisory cancellation.

A formula has been invented by Seth Breidbart which attempts to
quantify the degree of "badness" of a spam (whether EMP or ECP) as a
single number. The Breidbart Index (BI) is defined as the sum of the
square roots of n (n is the number of newsgroups each copy was posted
to).

Example: If two copies of a posting are made, one to 9 groups, and one
to 16, the BI index is sqrt(9)+sqrt(16) = 3+4 = 7.

The BI2 (Breidbart Index, version 2) is an experimental metric, which
may eventually replace the BI. It is calculated by computing the sum
of the square roots of n, plus the sum of n, and dividing by two. Eg:
one posting to 9, and one to 16 is

(sqrt(9) + sqrt(16) + 9 + 16) / 2
( 3 + 4 + 9 + 16 ) / 2 = 32 / 2 = 16

The BI2 is more "aggressive" than the BI, intended to cut off the
"higherend". BI allows about 125 newsgroups maximum. BI2 allows a
maximum of 35.

A slightly less aggressive index is the SBI (Skirvin-Breidbart Index);
it is calculated much the same as the BI2, but sums the number of
groups in the Followup-to: header (if available), rather than the
newsgroups. Eg: one posting to 9 groups, and one to 16 with followups
set to 4 is

(sqrt(9) + sqrt(16) + 9 + 4) / 2
( 3 + 4 + 9 + 4 ) / 2 = 20 / 2 = 10

Except in nl.*, where the SBI is followed, the BI2 and SBI are not
used to determine whether a spam is cancellable.

The thresholds for spam cancels are based _only_ on one or more of the
following measures:

1) The BI is 20 or greater over a 45 day period.
2) is a continuation of a previous EMP/ECP, within a 45 day
sliding window. That is: if the articles posted within the
past 45 days exceeds a BI threshold of 20, it gets removed,
unless the originator has made a clear and obvious effort
to
cease spamming (which includes an undertaking to do so
posted in news.admin.net-abuse.usenet). This includes
"make
money fast" schemes which passed the EMP/ECP thresholds
several years ago. This author recommends one posting
cross-posted to no more than 10 groups, no more often than
once every two weeks (a BI of 3).

A single posting cannot be cancellable - to reach a BI of 20, it would
have to be cross-posted to 400 groups. This isn't possible due to
limitations in Usenet software.

These thresholds nominally apply to all hierarchies - not just the
Big-8 and alt.*. Many hierarchies have more restrictive rules, which
are decided upon and enforced by their users and administrators; they
may also opt out of the cancellations, at the discretion of the same
users and admins.

These cancels have nothing whatsoever to do with the contents of the
message. It doesn't matter if it's an advertisement, it doesn't
matter if it's abusive, it doesn't matter whether it's on-topic in the
groups it was posted in, it doesn't matter whether the posting is for
a "good cause" or not - spam is cancelled regardless, based on _how
many times_ it was said and not _what_ was said.

Administrators wishing to ignore spam cancels can "alias out" the site
"cyberspam", and the cancels will not affect your system. This is
normally done at your feed site, but patches are available for INN to
allow you to reject spam cancels on your own system. Ask in
news.admin.net-abuse.usenet if you need this patch.

Further literature on posting etiquette and related information:

The newsgroup news.announce.newusers
<URL:
"What is Usenet", by Salzenberg, Spafford and Moraes
<URL:ftp://ftp.faqs.org/faqs/usenet/what-is/part1>

"What is Usenet? A second opinion.", by Vielmetti
<URL:ftp://ftp.faqs.org/faqs/usenet/what-is/part2>

"FAQ: Advertising on Usenet: How To Do It, How Not To Do It", by Furr
<URL:ftp://ftp.faqs.org/faqs/usenet/advertising/how-to/part1>

"A Primer on How to Work With the Usenet Community", by Von Rospach,
et al
<URL:ftp://ftp.faqs.org/faqs/usenet/primer/part1>

"Rules for posting to Usenet", by Horton, Spafford & Moraes.
<URL:ftp://ftp.faqs.org/faqs/usenet/posting-rules/part1>

"Emily Postnews Answers Your Questions on Netiquette", by Templeton et
al
<URL:ftp://ftp.faqs.org/faqs/usenet/emily-postnews/part1>

Numerous books and publications on Usenet, such as O'Reilly's
"Stopping
Spam" (Schwartz and Garfinkel), the "Whole Internet Guide and Catalog"
(Krol), "Usenet Handbook" (Harrison), etc.

"Cancel Messages: Frequently Asked Questions", by Skirvin
<URL:http://www.killfile.org/faqs/cancel.html>

The above FAQs are also mirrored at various sites, including as
ftp.sunet.se,
mirror.aol.com, ftp.uu.net, ftp.uni-paderborn.de, nctuccca.edu.tw,
hwarang.postech.ac.kr, ftp.hk.super.net etc.

A mailing list has been set up to assist those wishing to post
commercial
advertisements on Usenet in a responsible fashion. Email your
questions to
(e-mail address removed).
 
M

measekite

Frank said:
measekite said:
SPAMMER

[ a m z ] wrote:



*** Please REPLY via E-MAIL and EDIT reply ADDRESS ***

PayPal OK (and preferred).
____________________________________

ONE (1) BRAND NEW HP 92295A / 95A LaserJet toner cartridge - $10
Works with Hewlett-Packard Laser Jet II, IID, III, IIID
Authentic HP, still in original, factory-sealed box
____________________________________

TWO (2) BRAND NEW, factory-sealed, authentic Epson S020191 Color ink
cartridges. One is dated 7/2001 and one is 6/2002, but they're still



in


their vacuum-sealed packaging, so they're likely still fine. Some



retailers


now list this as S191089.



Retail for $29 each. Asking $10 for BOTH



For: Epson Stylus Color 400, 440, 460, 600, 640, 660, 670, 740, 740i,



760,


780, 800, 800N, 850, 850N, 850Ne, 860, 1160, 1520; and Stylus Scan
2000,
2500 Pro.




SPAMMER




TOP POSTER! [original poster's top posting corrected]

And what the heck are you saying "spammer" for? By what
definition? Only
x-posted to relevant and area groups (and fewer than 5 groups
overall)...
Not a commercial sale... Brand new posting... Legal items (in
original
factory boxes, no less!)... The ONLY thing I can imagine got your
panties
in a bunch was the listing of printers the Epson ink works with.
Why list
them? Because it is time-consuming responding to every post wanting
to know
if something is compatible with what they already have.
Moron!
Frank


Yes U R
 
Z

zakezuke

Mark said:
Ass bite top posting dick head. Tell me which of the following groups
isn't for sale items or printer items:

seattle.forsale.computers
pnw.forsale
pdx.computing
comp.periphs.printers
misc.forsale.computers.printers

Nevermind the parent.

Technicaly comp.periphs.printers isn't for "forsale". There is a
comp.periphs.forsale that was created for the selling and trading of
all things in the comp.periphs hierarchy. Personaly I don't care and
comp.periphs.forsale apears to be abandoned. I'm all for relivent
postings in c.p.p even forsale ones, but unfortunatly they bring out
the jarheads that yell and scream "spammer spammer", and I hate that
more than I hate forsale postings.
 

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