FRUSTRATED AND CONFUSED

[Guest]

Not to computer smart. I made a movie on the movie maker and when I download
to disc and try to play the disc, it wont play anything.Ive tried different
ways and get different results and messages.Bottom line is, I CANT PLAY MY
MOVIE. PLEASE HELP ME!

 

[Wojo]

Not to computer smart. I made a movie on the movie maker and when I
download
to disc and try to play the disc, it wont play anything.Ive tried
different
ways and get different results and messages.Bottom line is, I CANT PLAY MY
MOVIE. PLEASE HELP ME!

Where are you trying to play it?
How did you "download" (I'll use your word) to a CD?
Your question really doesn't make very much sense as it is currently written
and what does make sense really can't be properly answered without the above
questions being answered.

 

[PapaJohn \(MVP\)]

Discs burned directly by Movie Maker won't play on standard DVD players
(they can't handle the WMV files on the disc)..... you need to take the
saved movie to other disc creation software.

The Movie Maker discs can only be played on computers.
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[ed sharpe]

PapaJohn

Is there any movement inside Microsoft to add the feature to make the
DVD's directly in the future? this seems like a handy feature to have built
in......

ed sharpe

 

[PapaJohn \(MVP\)]

The version of Movie Maker that comes with the Media Center 2005 version of
XP has that feature... my laptop is a Media Center version but not the 2005
one, so I haven't been able to check it. I'd like some info from someone who
is running MCE 2005.

There's always discussions and consideration.... today's users need to
continue to use today's tools - and that's non-Microsoft DVD authoring and
burning software.
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[Wojo]

Fact is commercial software is simply better for this task.
Personally I use MM to create different movies either from my video camera
or movie clips or even game clips for my daughter. Whatever I am creating at
the time. All these clips work wonderfully as imported clips into my DVD
authoring programs. It may be a few extra steps but the end product is very
much worth it.

 

[John Kelly]

You have been told before papajohn...when will you EVER listen

MCE2005 CAN NOT IN ANY CIRCUMSTANCES make a DVD. Microsoft HOPED that the
user duped into buying that software would also buy a DVD authoring program
that they could send a SHELLEXECUTE command to so that it could send that
program the required file locations. If the customer buys a different DVD
authoring package that shellexecute command will fail.

Either way. MCE 2005 DOES NOT / CAN NOT / IS INCAPABLE OF burning a DVD

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[PapaJohn \(MVP\)]

Do you have MCE2005 and have you attempted to burn a DVD with it?

I'm very interested in feedback from those who have it.
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[John Kelly]

You just had it

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[J. Daniel Smith]

I don't have access to a MCE2005 box to try this out for myself, but
Microsoft's website
(http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/mediacenter/evaluation/top10.mspx) says:

"...built-in CD and DVD burning support1 ..."

and

"...share photos and home movies on DVDs1 that play in most home DVD players
right from within Media Center. You can even create and share home
movies...in Windows Movie Maker 2.1 with DVD Burning built right in."

The footnote 1 says "DVD Burning and TV Tuning features may vary by
manufacturer".

Given the phrase "DVD Buring built right in", it would be really lame if all
it did was ShellExecute() to a (optional?) third-party application; that
hardly counts as "built in" in my book - unless the process was very
transparent.

Dan

 

[John Kelly]

Please See........

Here is a short extract from the below link

Microsoft Windows XP Media Center Edition 2005 includes Microsoft Windows
Movie Maker 2.1, a software program that lets users easily create, edit, and
share home movies on a personal computer. By registering their applications
with Movie Maker, vendors of DVD recording applications make it possible for
users to record their movies onto recordable DVDs

http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/d...ngdvdrecordingapplicationswithwindowsmovi.asp

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[John Kelly]

Hello again,

I should have added the following extract as well

ISVs who provide DVD recording applications can register their applications
with Movie Maker. If any DVD recording applications are registered when the
user is ready to save a movie, Movie Maker offers the option to save to a
recordable DVD. When the user chooses this option, Movie Maker presents a
list of all registered DVD recording applications, allowing the user to
select the one to use for the recording operation.

So as I was saying....MCE 2005 DOES NOT create DVD's...it uses software from
3rd party providers......technically it is "built In" as the MCE machine
will be supplied with a DVD burner and coincidently a DVD authoring
package....this is the type of play on words that papajohn also uses when
trying to evade answering a direct question....as it almost always is the
case...you need to look through what he says to get at the real truth...the
same would seem to apply to the description of what MCE 2005 is capable
of....it seems to be something of a con trick to me.

Papajohn was told this before. I had not forgotten how convenient a memory
he has

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[John Kelly]

Hello,

I use a variety of Movie editing tools.....the old adage..."Right Tool For
The Job" and from that statement it would seem that a dedicated DVD
Authoring program is the best way forward. I have two NEro and Dazzle DVD
Complete. DVD Complete is more sophisticated and provides access to the
more technical aspects of DVD Encoding but does not understand Dual Layer
disks which is where Nero 6 comes in to play. I am quite impressed with
Nero, I don't know why I should be, after all Nero IS a "burning" program.
Nero 6 and its authoring ability is an obvious next step...I am looking
forward to version 7. One other thing....I reported a trivial bug to them
and almost immediately an update was made available...now that's service !!

I can not remember the details just now but I seem to remember hearing
something about Microsoft falling out with a DVD authoring vendor...I'm not
sure if this is right but I believe that Microsoft wanted more control than
the vendor wanted to give. The upshot of that would be the method they now
seem to employ....those vendors have to reveal the underlying API set for
their program so that it will work with MCE. That's not a bad thing, but it
does make the Microsoft claim that the facility is "Built In" seem like a
misuse of the word Truth

As there is no likely hood of me buying MCE (when Hell freezes over would
be the time I do that) it has no immediate impact on me which way they go,
BUT, I do hope that Microsoft never have more control than they do now over
that technology, its my view that they have already gained enough of a
monopoly.

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[J. Daniel Smith]

Again, I don't have access to a MCE box to verify any of this, but this
documentation is pretty telling.

Assuming this is the only "DVD support" in WMM2, it is pretty lame; hardly
what I would call "built in". For me, "built in" means that the experience
of burning a DVD is very similar to that of creating a HighMAT CD.

Theoretically, the DVD application could try to mimic HighMAT CD creation
and thus give the appearnce of being "built in"; but since it is a
completely separate application, that's not going to be easy. And I rather
doubt any of them make the effort; my guess (again, no access to a MCE box)
is that the command-line arguments just let you skip a few prompts in the
DVD burning application (i.e., no need to find the WMV file you just
created). Nevertheless, I'd still like to see it for myself on a MCE box
(or screenshots) before passing final judgement...

Another question on this...in the context of MCE: can all of this be done
(including using WMM2) using just the remote, or do you have to use the
keyboard/mouse - i.e. drop out of the MCE UI? I'm guessing that all of this
runs as a normal XP application and not a special MCE app...

Thanks for the info, the MSDN docs are always better than the marketing
ones.

Dan

 

[John Kelly]

Hello,

Again, I don't have access to a MCE box to verify any of this, but this
documentation is pretty telling.

Whats up, do you not believe the info on Microsoft's own website?

Theoretically, the DVD application could try to mimic HighMAT CD creation
and thus give the appearnce of being "built in"; but since it is a
completely separate application, that's not going to be eas

I am not concerned with theory, only what Microsoft advertise and the
differing info they give to programmers, and the often comical statements
by one of their so called professionals. NOT!!!!..LOL papajohn!!

Another question on this...in the context of MCE: can all of this be done
(including using WMM2) using just the remote, or do you have to use the
keyboard/mouse - i.e. drop out of the MCE UI? I'm guessing that all of
this
runs as a normal XP application and not a special MCE app

That's a question for the relevant newsgroup.
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[PapaJohn \(MVP\)]

Guess I don't understand you saying "you just had it".. which implied to me
that you have MCE2005 and tried burning a DVD... and was giving feedback
about your attempts. But in a later post this morning you say:

".....As there is no likely hood of me buying MCE (when Hell freezes over
would
be the time I do that)..."

So I assume now that you don't have it and haven't tried it.... and you're
guessing about the topic. I'll wait more for those who have the version
installed.... ones installed by or from the OEMs that the computer came
from.

I have the MCE2005 software from Microsoft and my Toshiba laptop is an MCE
system.... but the only right way to install it is via an update from
Toshiba, which isn't available for my system..... so I'm waiting. I'm not
into trying to hack an installation.
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[John Kelly]

Yes Papajohn strikes again....have you even bothered to stop and read the
info posted by Microsoft....or are you still feeling upset by Microsoft
deleting yet more of your messages from this newsgroup....you know...the
first were where you were caught out LYING and the more recent where you
were trying to get people to unknowingly put money in your pocket.....

I have the MCE2005 software from Microsoft and my Toshiba laptop is an MCE

system.... but the only right way to install it is via an update from
Toshiba, which isn't available for my system..... so I'm waiting. I'm not
into trying to hack an installation.

What the above drivel about...are you having some kind of psychotic
episode???? what the hell are you on about with regard to hacking the
system....Mr...you need to go see a doctor and get yourself booked into
somewhere with nice padded walls....and another thought...you say you are
not into hacking....but that was the very subject you were caught lying
about before....then Microsoft deleted your messages ...they were frankly
very embarrassing.

Can you also tell us how your reply proves that you are not the one making
people unhappy in here???? you know the little sob story you posted
earlier.....you need help mate...go get some quickly
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[John Eddy [MSFT]]

Yes Papajohn strikes again....have you even bothered to stop and read
the info posted by Microsoft....or are you still feeling upset by
Microsoft deleting yet more of your messages from this
newsgroup....you know...the first were where you were caught out
LYING and the more recent where you were trying to get people to
unknowingly put money in your pocket.....

While I don't know enough about the first time you are commenting about to
form a reply to that, I can state categorically that PapaJohn's initial post
is still on msnews.microsoft.com's nntp servers and they have not been
deleted. Please excuse my correcting you three times, but, since you
continued to bring it up in different threads, I wanted to correct the
erroneous statements.

John Eddy
Microsoft Newsgroups Administrator