From AthlonXP to Athlon64

[Larry Roberts]

I currently run an Athlon XP 3000+ system. I'm in the process
of building an Athlon64 Socket 939 system. Would I see any performance
increase going to an Athlon64 3200+, or do I need to get something
like a Athlon64 4000+, or dual core? I however can't afford more than
an Athlon64 3200+ right now, and if I won't see a difference, I might
as well wait till the Athlon64 4000+ drop to the price of the 3200+.

 

[General Schvantzkoph]

I currently run an Athlon XP 3000+ system. I'm in the process
of building an Athlon64 Socket 939 system. Would I see any performance
increase going to an Athlon64 3200+, or do I need to get something like a
Athlon64 4000+, or dual core? I however can't afford more than an Athlon64
3200+ right now, and if I won't see a difference, I might as well wait
till the Athlon64 4000+ drop to the price of the 3200+.

You aren't going to see much of difference between an XP 3000+ and an A64
3200+. If you can't afford a X2 4400+ then you should wait for the prices
of the dual cores to drop. The 65nm parts will be coming out mid year,
when that happens you can expect that the price of a 4400+ equivalent will
drop significantly.

 

[Wes Newell]

I currently run an Athlon XP 3000+ system. I'm in the process
of building an Athlon64 Socket 939 system. Would I see any performance
increase going to an Athlon64 3200+, or do I need to get something
like a Athlon64 4000+, or dual core? I however can't afford more than
an Athlon64 3200+ right now, and if I won't see a difference, I might
as well wait till the Athlon64 4000+ drop to the price of the 3200+.

Lot of oc headroom on the A64 3200+. It's a good choice. OC'd it will
outperform a 4000+ at stock speeds. Personally, I'd like like the X2 3800+.

 

[Cal Vanize]

I currently run an Athlon XP 3000+ system. I'm in the process
of building an Athlon64 Socket 939 system. Would I see any performance
increase going to an Athlon64 3200+, or do I need to get something
like a Athlon64 4000+, or dual core? I however can't afford more than
an Athlon64 3200+ right now, and if I won't see a difference, I might
as well wait till the Athlon64 4000+ drop to the price of the 3200+.

Kinda depends on what apps you're using.

You could notice a much bigger jump in performance if you could spend
just a few more bucks and get either an A64 3700+ or an Opteron 146 or
148 Venus CPU. the Opterons can be very easily overclocked and offer
great performance.

Will you get a huge increase? Probably not unless you go to fast hard
drives and / or RAID0 arrays.

 

[VanShania]

The Athlon 4200 X2 is the best cpu for the buck. Its only 10% slower than
the 4800 X2 and is $100 cheaper than 4400 X2, whicn is only 2% faster than a
4200 X2. The 4400 X2 is a poor choice and will leave you feeling cheap and
used.

--
XP2600@171 [email protected]
PC3200 Samsung 512mb, SB Live OEM
AIW9600XT, A7N8X-X
WD120gb + 80gb HD 8mb buffers
Plextor PX-712A, Liteon 1693S 16X Dual Layer
Pioneer DVR-110D 16X - 4X Dual Layer
Thermaltake Lanfire, 420 Watt PS
ViewSonic 19" A91f+ CRT
Micrsoft Sidewinder Precision 2 Joystick

Overall Score-2066, cpu_score-2926
in 3DMark2005 basic 1078X768, No AA

 

[General Schvantzkoph]

The 4200+ is 50% slower then the 4400+ on some applications. On NCVerilog
the difference between 1M cache and 1/2M cache is 2 to 1. I've done
extensive benchmarking on Linux CAE applications and the effect of cache
size on some things is huge, on others it's only about 10% i.e. about 1
speed grade.

 

[VanShania]

Your tests are obviously wrong because AMD says there is only a 2%
difference.

--
XP2600@171 [email protected]
PC3200 Samsung 512mb, SB Live OEM
AIW9600XT, A7N8X-X
WD120gb + 80gb HD 8mb buffers
Plextor PX-712A, Liteon 1693S 16X Dual Layer
Pioneer DVR-110D 16X - 4X Dual Layer
Thermaltake Lanfire, 420 Watt PS
ViewSonic 19" A91f+ CRT
Micrsoft Sidewinder Precision 2 Joystick

Overall Score-2066, cpu_score-2926
in 3DMark2005 basic 1078X768, No AA

 

[VanShania]

You would see a difference going to a 64 bit 3200 because this processor
runs on a 1000 fsb where the XP3000 runs on a 200 fsb

--
XP2600@171 [email protected]
PC3200 Samsung 512mb, SB Live OEM
AIW9600XT, A7N8X-X
WD120gb + 80gb HD 8mb buffers
Plextor PX-712A, Liteon 1693S 16X Dual Layer
Pioneer DVR-110D 16X - 4X Dual Layer
Thermaltake Lanfire, 420 Watt PS
ViewSonic 19" A91f+ CRT
Micrsoft Sidewinder Precision 2 Joystick

Overall Score-2066, cpu_score-2926
in 3DMark2005 basic 1078X768, No AA

 

[Cal Vanize]

Yeah, we all trust AMD to always tell us the truth, the whole truth and
nothing but the truth.

For sale: One bridge. Moderate to heavy use. Steady source of income
for a start-up business. Location: Brooklyn, NY.

 

[VanShania]

Why would they lie about such a small, insignificant increase?

XP2600@171 [email protected]
PC3200 Samsung 512mb, SB Live OEM
AIW9600XT, A7N8X-X
WD120gb + 80gb HD 8mb buffers
Plextor PX-712A, Liteon 1693S 16X Dual Layer
Pioneer DVR-110D 16X - 4X Dual Layer
Thermaltake Lanfire, 420 Watt PS
ViewSonic 19" A91f+ CRT
Micrsoft Sidewinder Precision 2 Joystick

Overall Score-2066, cpu_score-2926
in 3DMark2005 basic 1078X768, No AA

 

[General Schvantzkoph]

Your tests are obviously wrong because AMD says there is only a 2%
difference.

Your an idiot. Do some benchmarking of your own before you make
statements like this.

 

[VanShania]

This Friday I'm hoping to buy a ASUS A8V-MX motherboard and a A64 3200+.
I'll post the benchmark results that night or Sat morning

--
XP2600@171 [email protected]
PC3200 Samsung 512mb, SB Live OEM
AIW9600XT, A7N8X-X
WD120gb + 80gb HD 8mb buffers
Plextor PX-712A, Liteon 1693S 16X Dual Layer
Pioneer DVR-110D 16X - 4X Dual Layer
Thermaltake Lanfire, 420 Watt PS
ViewSonic 19" A91f+ CRT
Micrsoft Sidewinder Precision 2 Joystick

Overall Score-2066, cpu_score-2926
in 3DMark2005 basic 1078X768, No AA

 

[VanShania]

Don't have to, AMD has done it for me.

--
XP2600@171 [email protected]
PC3200 Samsung 512mb, SB Live OEM
AIW9600XT, A7N8X-X
WD120gb + 80gb HD 8mb buffers
Plextor PX-712A, Liteon 1693S 16X Dual Layer
Pioneer DVR-110D 16X - 4X Dual Layer
Thermaltake Lanfire, 420 Watt PS
ViewSonic 19" A91f+ CRT
Micrsoft Sidewinder Precision 2 Joystick

Overall Score-2066, cpu_score-2926
in 3DMark2005 basic 1078X768, No AA

 

[Cal Vanize]

You'd be MUCH better off with a better chipset. The GeForce 61XX or ATI
Xpress 200 wold be better choices for 939 boards w/ integrated video.

The A8V-MX is not the best example of a 939 board.

I've got an A8V Deluxe and a Gigabyte K8N51GMF-9. There's a quite
noticable gap in performance between the two that is not explained by
just the CPU (better on the Gigabyte)

 

[Larry Roberts]

The Athlon 4200 X2 is the best cpu for the buck. Its only 10% slower than
the 4800 X2 and is $100 cheaper than 4400 X2, whicn is only 2% faster than a
4200 X2. The 4400 X2 is a poor choice and will leave you feeling cheap and
used.

I can't afford $250.00 for a CPU much less $350.00, or so for
a dual core Athlon64 X2 4200+. My budget only will allow me to do
$150.00 to maybe $175.00 right now. By the time I can actually afford
a dual core CPU, the average multicore will problably have 6, or 8
cores, and the dual core would be like buying an Athlon XP 1500+ to
play new games now.
I'm just gona hold off upgrading a while longer till the M2
CPUs hopefully drive the 1MB cache Athlon64 Socket 939 CPUs down to my
budget level. I'm "po", and my new tech is usally 3 generations
behind, so I'll have to do the same on this system as well. I still
need a PCI-E videocard, and the cheapest there is to upgrade to is
still $200.00.

 

[NoNoBadDog!]

You're not serious, I hope? Intel is the absolute king of Liars...look at
ViiV.
Look at Dual Core...oops...Core Duo (not!!!!). Independent L2 caches, but
only one cache can be accessed per clock cycle. 800MHz FSB that are not.
1066 FSB that are not. I could go on but I only have about 30 years left....

Bobby

 

[Wes Newell]

On Mon, 27 Feb 2006 21:17:36 -0600, VanShania wrote:

A lot of people argueing about benchemarks and getting heated.
Compare them here and stop arguing about it.;-)

http://www23.tomshardware.com/cpu.html

 

[General Schvantzkoph]

I can't afford $250.00 for a CPU much less $350.00, or so for
a dual core Athlon64 X2 4200+. My budget only will allow me to do $150.00
to maybe $175.00 right now. By the time I can actually afford a dual core
CPU, the average multicore will problably have 6, or 8 cores, and the dual
core would be like buying an Athlon XP 1500+ to play new games now.
I'm just gona hold off upgrading a while longer till the M2
CPUs hopefully drive the 1MB cache Athlon64 Socket 939 CPUs down to my
budget level. I'm "po", and my new tech is usally 3 generations behind, so
I'll have to do the same on this system as well. I still need a PCI-E
videocard, and the cheapest there is to upgrade to is still $200.00.

Waiting is the right thing to do, your current system is nearly as fast as
the state of the art single core systems so you won't get much benefit
from doing an upgrade unless you can afford a dual core system. Adding
memory to your current system will give you your biggest bang for the
buck, if you have less then 1G you should add 512 or 1G.

 

[Cal Vanize]

If you read passed the first sentence to the part about a bridge for
sale, you can see my tongue poking out of my cheek.

 

[Larry Roberts]

Waiting is the right thing to do, your current system is nearly as fast as
the state of the art single core systems so you won't get much benefit
from doing an upgrade unless you can afford a dual core system. Adding
memory to your current system will give you your biggest bang for the
buck, if you have less then 1G you should add 512 or 1G.

I'm at 1GB now. I had recently purchased 1GB of Corsair DDR400
dual channel for the Athlon64 system I'm building. My AtlonXP
mainboard only has 3 DIMM slots, so I could add one of the Corsair
DIMMs to bring it up to 1.5GB, but I doubt it would change anything.
Would have to pop in another 1GB.
I really only game, and from what I understand, there are no
games that benefit from dual core. I have no need to game while video
encoding, or other multitaking situations. I just want to add more
punch to my games. I currently have an Nvidia 6600GT, but from what
read, to get a faster card means to get at least an Athlon64, or Intel
equivalent to see it's potential.
Back when Socket 754 was released, all the reviews where
saying how much better they where over AthlonXP, now everyone says
dual core is the only logical step up from an AthlonXP. Does this mean
when Quad core chips come out, that Dual core Athlon X2s won't be a
logical step up from an Athlon64, or FX?
I see the Athlon64 3700+ with 1MB cache is about $213.00 now.
These are supposed to be as good as an FX51. Unless the Athlon X2
would fall near it's price I'll probably never own one. I might end up
just getting the 3700+ if it falls in price some more.