Fried mobo?

K

kony

Darn it, I was really hoping those things would work. I didn't change the
USB jumpers becuase it looked like they were already set for 5+... or is
it possible that they weren't??

As I wrote, they "should've" been set to 5V, not 5VSB, from the
factory. Is it possible they weren't? Sure, but it doesn't matter,
you're needing to double-check all this yourself. It sounds like
you've done all you can to check this, maybe time to return the board.
I did try chaning the FSB to 200 - still nothing.

Tried putting in different PSU - nothing

The RAM and video both work fine in my other system so it's gotta be
either the mobo or the cpu. I did notice some thermal paste on the CPU
leads (!!) which I scraped off with my finger nail, but that didn't help.

That sounds odd, unless you accidentally got some on there yourself.
"Usually" a CPU is fine, it's far more likely a motherboard problem,
but even now and then, against the odds, CPUs do fail, and you
might've even received one that somebody else fried... insufficient
evidence, i just thought I'd consider it since you mentioned the
compound on the CPU pins.
I've tried booting w/just single compenents in like just the RAM, or just
the CPU or just the video... shouldn't I have gotten at least some kind of
beep with these setups??? I wish I had a different system to isolate if
it's the mobo or the cpu. One thing I did notice is that the ASUS board
says it's for an Athlon 3000+ or higher. I know my CPU is lower then
that. But would the company actually ship a mobo/cpu combo that isn't
compatible??

That "Athlon 3000+ or higher" is only a maximal (tested) support, it
will definitely support an XP2200.

It would help if you could get ahold of another mobo or CPU, but if
your RMA time-limit is running out you'd better return "something"...
I'd return both to cover both bases, there's no reason you should have
to deal with bad parts.
 
T

Trent©

Yes. I have been attempting with nothing connected. The only things
connected are the video, and memory. Should I still bother switching all
those jumpers even if the items are not connected?? And the memory,
should the 200 or 266 be printed on the module? I'm not sure how to
determine what type it is...

Do you have the switch lead plugged in?

Do you by accident have the PS set to 220 instead of 110?


Have a nice week...

Trent

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T

Trent©

Yes. I have been attempting with nothing connected. The only things
connected are the video, and memory. Should I still bother switching all
those jumpers even if the items are not connected?? And the memory,
should the 200 or 266 be printed on the module? I'm not sure how to
determine what type it is...

Just re-read your initial post...so disregard my other one! lol

I wonder if that PS is strong enough to push that CPU?


Have a nice week...

Trent

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T

TE

Just re-read your initial post...so disregard my other one! lol

I wonder if that PS is strong enough to push that CPU?


Have a nice week...

Trent

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lol nice sig... Yeah the PSU is strong enough. The documentation says it
must be 230V or 300V at least. Since the mobo was pretty much the only
thing plugged in and during testing I had almost no peripherals plugged
in, I don't think it's a power issue. My original PSU was 300V and the
2nd one I tried was 230V.
 
T

TE

Do you have the switch lead plugged in?

The switch lead being the wires that activate the switch and plug into the
mobo? Yeah that's plugged in because I do get some power to the board
when i hit the switch (cpu fan spins up).
Do you by accident have the PS set to 220 instead of 110?

Nope. Wish it was that simple =(
 
T

TE

As I wrote, they "should've" been set to 5V, not 5VSB, from the
factory. Is it possible they weren't? Sure, but it doesn't matter,
you're needing to double-check all this yourself. It sounds like
you've done all you can to check this, maybe time to return the board.


That sounds odd, unless you accidentally got some on there yourself.
"Usually" a CPU is fine, it's far more likely a motherboard problem,
but even now and then, against the odds, CPUs do fail, and you
might've even received one that somebody else fried... insufficient
evidence, i just thought I'd consider it since you mentioned the
compound on the CPU pins.


That "Athlon 3000+ or higher" is only a maximal (tested) support, it
will definitely support an XP2200.

It would help if you could get ahold of another mobo or CPU, but if
your RMA time-limit is running out you'd better return "something"...
I'd return both to cover both bases, there's no reason you should have
to deal with bad parts.

Oh no. I hate dealing with RMAs of online orders. Usually the try to get
me to pay shipping. I've been going thru ASUS with this issue becuase I'm
guessing the vendor will make me pay shipping both ways. Do you think I
should be RMAing thru the vendor or manufacturer? The vendor is
partspc.com - found them thru pricewatch... It just makes me mad that I
have to pay any more money for something that was likely shipped DOA -
never worked in the first place!
 
T

Trent©

Oh no. I hate dealing with RMAs of online orders. Usually the try to get
me to pay shipping. I've been going thru ASUS with this issue becuase I'm
guessing the vendor will make me pay shipping both ways. Do you think I
should be RMAing thru the vendor or manufacturer? The vendor is
partspc.com - found them thru pricewatch... It just makes me mad that I
have to pay any more money for something that was likely shipped DOA -
never worked in the first place!

You should easily fall within the terms of the vendor's RMA
policy...so go with them.

Also, you should NEVER pay for an RMA in BOTH directions. And, with a
DOA, it'd do some real shouting to have THEM pay in both directions.

Good luck.


Have a nice week...

Trent

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K

kony

lol nice sig... Yeah the PSU is strong enough. The documentation says it
must be 230V or 300V at least. Since the mobo was pretty much the only
thing plugged in and during testing I had almost no peripherals plugged
in, I don't think it's a power issue. My original PSU was 300V and the
2nd one I tried was 230V.

Since the 300W was working with the 1.4GHz setup, and you mentioned
"came in Antec case", or something like that, I was _assuming_ it can
be trusted to work... 300W from the 1.4GHz era was probably an
Antec/Channelwell PP303X or Antec/Herolchi (sp?) PP303XP, either of
which should be able to power that, especially in the stripped-down
config you were trying.

I would not assume the 230W is enough... might be, but often those
older & smaller units didn't have much 5V capacity... don't know what
I'd do in your place, possibly buy a larger power supply (with SATA
support), something beefy enough to handle anything you can throw at
it, then have the 300W left over for reusing the 1.4GHz boxes' parts.
I only mention this now since RMA'ing parts that still work, may cost
more than if they're dead. I would RMA to vendor while that's still
an option... don't know anything about that vendor, but possibly they
have faster turnaround than Asus and AMD.
 
T

TE

You should easily fall within the terms of the vendor's RMA policy...so
go with them.

Also, you should NEVER pay for an RMA in BOTH directions. And, with a
DOA, it'd do some real shouting to have THEM pay in both directions.

Good luck.


Have a nice week...

Trent

Follow Joan Rivers' example --- get pre-embalmed!

WTF! I just found out that the vendor will not RMA! The vendor was
partspc.com:

Subject: RE: Customer Service RMA Request Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2004
07:10:37 +0530

Hello,

I would like to inform you with regret that the DOA intimation time is
within 48 hours and as you have not intimated us within 48 hours thus
there us very little that we can do. Also as you have not selected the
pretest before shipping option thus we have not pre tested the products
and send them to you as we receive from the manufacturer so we never know
that the products were DOA. Although you have to intimate us within 48
hours for DOA products received.

Regards,

Mike

RMA -- PartsPC


Is that retarded or what? Is there anything I can do here? I've kept in
contact w/ASUS but haven't heard back recently... probably should also
contact AMD too now?? I know there must be a bad rating I can give but
I'm not sure how to do that. Also, I was never informed of this "pretest
option".
 
T

TE

Since the 300W was working with the 1.4GHz setup, and you mentioned
"came in Antec case", or something like that, I was _assuming_ it can
be trusted to work... 300W from the 1.4GHz era was probably an
Antec/Channelwell PP303X or Antec/Herolchi (sp?) PP303XP, either of
which should be able to power that, especially in the stripped-down
config you were trying.

I would not assume the 230W is enough... might be, but often those
older & smaller units didn't have much 5V capacity... don't know what
I'd do in your place, possibly buy a larger power supply (with SATA
support), something beefy enough to handle anything you can throw at
it, then have the 300W left over for reusing the 1.4GHz boxes' parts.
I only mention this now since RMA'ing parts that still work, may cost
more than if they're dead. I would RMA to vendor while that's still
an option... don't know anything about that vendor, but possibly they
have faster turnaround than Asus and AMD.

Arrggh! bad news from the vendor - they claim they can't RMA even tho it's
been less then a week... check my reply to Trent for more details =(
 
K

kony

WTF! I just found out that the vendor will not RMA! The vendor was
partspc.com:

Subject: RE: Customer Service RMA Request Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2004
07:10:37 +0530

Hello,

I would like to inform you with regret that the DOA intimation time is
within 48 hours and as you have not intimated us within 48 hours thus
there us very little that we can do. Also as you have not selected the
pretest before shipping option thus we have not pre tested the products
and send them to you as we receive from the manufacturer so we never know
that the products were DOA. Although you have to intimate us within 48
hours for DOA products received.

Regards,

Mike

RMA -- PartsPC


Is that retarded or what? Is there anything I can do here? I've kept in
contact w/ASUS but haven't heard back recently... probably should also
contact AMD too now?? I know there must be a bad rating I can give but
I'm not sure how to do that. Also, I was never informed of this "pretest
option".

Was that policy mentioned clearly on the product page, or during the
ordering process?

You are not bound to such a policy if you weren't informed of it prior
to the sale. They cannot dictate further terms of a sale, AFTER the
sale. If they displayed this 48hr. DOA policy, clearly, and you
overlooked it, you may be SOL, but otherwise you need to make your
position clear to them, that their obligation was to deliver working
parts. They have to get working parts to you, it is their obligation
to do so. Before the issue of a manufacturer's warranty ever comes
into play, the product they sent, had to work.


You should also review their "Terms and Conditions" page:
http://www.partspc.com/disclaimer.htm

If you check http://www.resellerratings.com/ , partspc.com, and their
other site, http://www.tufshop.com , have some pretty bad reviews, and
those reviews that are good, look suspicious.

I just checked their website... all those add-on charges rasied red
flags in my mind immediately. You appear to be dealing with a
slimeball vendor, it may be a big hassle getting this resolved.
Document your interactions with them and attempts to resolve this,
and don't give in to them.

You are not obligated to pay any extra fees for DOA parts, at most the
return shipping. Contrary to their notion that you MUST get an RMA,
you only need make reasonable attempts to get that RMA, they are still
obligated to take back nonfunctional parts regardless of whether they
"decide" to issue an RMA number, and if they won't issue it, contact
your credit card company... If you didn't use a credit card you may be
out of luck.

On the other hand, since it's quite likely that either the CPU or
motherboard is still working, technically that (working) part may be
subject to a restocking fee. If there's any way you can test the CPU,
you ought to consider doing that... the odds are a lot higher that the
motherboard's the problem rather than the CPU, but again that's no
assurance, since it did have heatsink compound on it from your
account, may not be the new part you were "supposed" to receive.
 
K

kony

Arrggh! bad news from the vendor - they claim they can't RMA even tho it's
been less then a week... check my reply to Trent for more details =(

I saw that post, replied to it already. They can claim whatever they
like, but they can only get away with whatever you LET them get away
with.
 
C

CBFalconer

TE said:
.... snip ...

Is that retarded or what? Is there anything I can do here? I've
kept in contact w/ASUS but haven't heard back recently... probably
should also contact AMD too now?? I know there must be a bad
rating I can give but I'm not sure how to do that. Also, I was
never informed of this "pretest option".

If you paid by credit card contact the card company immediately
and refuse the bill for unsatisfactory goods. If you gave them
cash, good bloody luck, next time you'll know better.

In the US at least (don't know where you are) there is a doctrine
of implied suitability, which is not satisfied by a DOA device.
You should also contact the Better Business Bureau.
 
T

Trent©

I saw that post, replied to it already. They can claim whatever they
like, but they can only get away with whatever you LET them get away
with.

Now its simply a matter of...

How much time and money (hundreds?) does he want to spend on TRYING to
get that cheap board replaced? lol

Time to bite the bullet and move on!


Have a nice week...

Trent

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