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Yea Mark, when will the Government start talking about their
Civil Responsibilities.
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The problem with this whole Jowell thing (for those who have no idea
what I'm talking about: Tessa Jowell is a Labour government minister.
Her husband recently received a "gift" of £344,000 from a third party.
Whilst no actual evidence of any kind of corruption behind the payment
has been brought to light, many people think it is bent). By Blair
supporting Jowell, it sends a message, in some people's eyes, that
corruption is tolerated by the Labour government.

The problem is that the Tories (the main opposition party to Labour
[think of them as the British equivalent of the Republicans]) don't seem
to behave any better. People were sick of the sleeze that they were
involved in when they were last in power; and I believe it was a
significant factor in the government changing from Conservative to Labour.
The way they `lead` by example, it`s little wonder Britain is
falling apart at the seams.
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That, plus what I consider to be economic mismanagement. Consumer and
government debt are at monsterously high levels; and coupled with
wasteful government spending. Traditional Labour supporters probably
want more spending on front-line health services, yet the govenrment
seems keen to waste taxpayer money on frivolous nonsense like
high-profile public information films and a "Social Inclusion Tsar".
Labour really seem to have lost the plot in a big big way.

All this, is, of course, in my opinion.
 
Craig said:
Maynard Man wrote:


Sure. I would too. As long as I don't appear too mid-Eastern (eg Mr.
Menezes), too black (eg Duwayne Brooks) or too Irish (eg Guildford Four).
But, let's back up a minute: Last I remember, the UK's up to its knickers
in the Iraqi war as well...and only after Blair's government "sexed up"
intelligence reports.
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Duwayne Brooks? If it wasn't for Brooks, the real murderers would probably
have been caught and be behind bars by now.
That's the 3 high profile ones out the way.
Further than our knickers, but for some reason, not frowned on as much as
the states are. Probably because we followed rather than led.
Although I'm not sure how this relates to the Iraq war, this "saga's"
legacy is quite mild in comparison with the Profumo affair, which
actually brought down the British gummint.
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The Clinton thing was big over here! It was implied here that Clinton would
fall from a great height.
The Profumo one probably was at the time, but I wasn't around then!
Funny that. The reason(s) for the British ID depend on when the Home
Office is justifying it. In the beginning, it was anti-terrorism. That
was shown to be not workable. Only now has the reason been reduced to
benefit & immigration fraud(1). But then this is the same Home Office
that asserted the ID would be "voluntary," only to be proven a collective
liar by the House of Lords, no less(2).
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Never believe everything you read in the British press. Until it happens, I
don't really take a great deal of notice.
Maybe I should be more interested, but things are not always black and
white.
For clarification: I do not point out "...the use of ID's can't
really be compared." In fact, I assert otherwise. Dave, I'm guessing
we'll just have to agree to disagree here. I'm open to jumping on the
National ID bandwagon but, there's gotta be a better reason than "because
I trust my government."
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For clarification: As you "do not point out", I never said that I trust my
government. But I do trust me, the way I live my life
which is probably the same as 95% of the public, ID cards will be more of a
benefit than a hindrance.
I don't really follow or have a great interest in politics but I am one of
these people who looks for the positives rather than the negatives.
I did check out Any and Al's site, but there was nothing there to convince
me. They had no comparison there. There was no fors and against, just
againsts which didn't make me feel they had a genuine case. I felt it had
more paranoia than justification if that makes sense?.
I'm quite happy to agree to disagree, cheers Craig.

Dave
 
Maynard said:
For clarification: As you "do not point out", I never said that I trust my
government.
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Then you should certainly reject the whole notion of ID cards. ID cards
moves us closer to a police state, where the government controls what we
as individuals do, rather than the other way 'round. And I find that
disturbing.
I don't really follow or have a great interest in politics
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Me neither. I'd rather stick to the programming, power and stuff is not
really my bag.
but I am one of
these people who looks for the positives rather than the negatives.
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But that doesn't statement actually "prove" anything. It might just mean
that you are niaive and are unable to evaluate a situation critically.
No offense meant, you understand, I'm not trying to put you down
personally. I'm simply pointing out that your statement isn't really a
valid support of an argument.
 
Why are you so paranoid about it Mark?
The police state is already here.
Walk down a major high street, you are being filmed...
Apply for a bank loan, your credit history is available..
Get pulled over in your car, your driving history is available..
It's all there Mark, all I'm saying is, why not have it all in one place and
at hand?

People in power are "expected" to be squeaky clean. You and I live in the
real world and they aren't! We all do the odd little job for cash in hand,
Jowell was no different, just on a grander scale. She was only foolish
because she got caught.
I'm past worrying about that sort of thing. I still can't see what the thin
end of the wedge will lead to, but we are all entitled to our own opinions.

Dave
 
Andy Mabbett said:
All the Madrid bombers had valid ID cards...
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Which was how they caught the first one. He used it to buy the mobile phone
(you can't buy one without ID in Spain) that was doing all the communicating
with the other mobiles! Which lead to them all being captured. You could
argue, that without ID they may have got away with it.
 
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