Free software firewalls I have never heard of before

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Ibn Battuta

204.153.244.156:

I had asked in the first line of my OP for "freeware". Grrr! :)

There is a free "lite" version of Look N Stop on Snapfiles.com. Though as an
older version you may not be interested.

Ibn
 
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Notan

Yourhighness said:
"Kerio Personal Firewall will be discontinued as of December 31, 2005.
It will not be available for purchase after this date. Subscriptions
will not be renewed. Technical support will be provided to all
customers with valid subscriptions until the end of 2006."

Quote taken from Kerio Forum:
http://forums.kerio.com/index.php?t=msg&th=7040&start=0&S=87a76357fa565eb8998b4e93472fa6fb

Correction...

According to Kerio's web site, the cutoff date is September 30, 2005.

Notan
 
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Notan

Fred said:
Well, since it's free for personal use then I guess it doesn't matter
anyway.

There's a free version and a pay version.

Unless Kerio decides to change the pay version, it's stealing, no matter
how you rationalize.

Notan
 
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Brett Michaels From Poison

Oh man. you're breakin my heart.
Well i guess i'll always have rock n roll at least
 
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Notan

Brett said:
Oh man. you're breakin my heart.
Well i guess i'll always have rock n roll at least

It kinda pisses me off, as I just purchased Personal Firewall in August.

Notan
 
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Notan

Fred said:
Sorry, but you can't steal what isn't for sale. ;)

OK, Fred. You come out of your house and find your car missing.

According to your logic, you can't report it stolen, because
it wasn't for sale.

Did I miss something?

Notan
 
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Fred

Not the same thing -- my car was never for sale in the first place, and
then removed from the market for no reason.
 
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Mel

OK, Fred. You come out of your house and find your car missing.

According to your logic, you can't report it stolen, because
it wasn't for sale.

Did I miss something?

Notan
LOL!
 
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Notan

Fred said:
Not the same thing -- my car was never for sale in the first place, and
then removed from the market for no reason.

If you're gonna make a stupid remarks, I'll play along...

1) Your car's for sale and, for no reason, you decide not to sell it.
According to you, someone has the right to steal it. Is that correct?

2) How do you know Kerio removed it from the market for no reason.

Mind you, at this time, I'm not real happy with Query. I paid full
price for Personal Firewall, in August, only to find out they're
discontinuing the product in September.

Notan
 
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Notan

Notan said:
If you're gonna make a stupid remarks, I'll play along...

1) Your car's for sale and, for no reason, you decide not to sell it.
According to you, someone has the right to steal it. Is that correct?

2) How do you know Kerio removed it from the market for no reason.

Mind you, at this time, I'm not real happy with Query. I paid full
price for Personal Firewall, in August, only to find out they're
discontinuing the product in September.

Ooops! That was "... not real happy with Kerio."

Notan
 
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Notan

Fred said:
For (1) a car is a tangible item but software isn't, so that's the diff.

Software isn't tangible, huh?

Then how do you explain all the software CDs that I own?

Notan
 
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Walter Roberson

:For (1) a car is a tangible item but software isn't, so that's the diff.

You posted several days into the conversation and you left out
all context. Please recall that readers may not be using threaded
newsreaders, and that their server may have expired the article
you were replying to (or might not happened to have received the
article at all.)


The missing context was a discussion about whether it was acceptable
to take items that were "not for sale". Some people had made the
distinction about items that had been withdrawn from sale as being
fair game. The posting to which you were replying was saying,
approximately "Okay, so suppose you had put your car on sale and
then withdrew it from sale: does that make it okay to steal your car?"

In your reply, by virtue of qualifying phrases that you did -not-
put in, you have removed the layer of distinction about whether the
item had ever been offered for sale, and have implied that it is
always acceptable to steal anything that is intangible. Or to
phrase it in the more common fashion, "How can it be stealing if
you still have the original?"
 
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Fred

Software is not a car, which makes it okay. If you can't see that,
then that's your loss. End of story as far as I'm concerned (I can see
I'm hitting my head against a brick wall here).
 
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Reg Edit

(I can see
I'm hitting my head against a brick wall here).

Seems like you have been doing that for too long already ..... my
diagnosis is PERMANENT BRAIN DAMAGE.
 
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Walter Roberson

:Software is not a car, which makes it okay.

Which makes *what* okay? We need context or specific subjects
or verbs for referential pronouns such as "it"!

Be explicit. Are you saying that it is your belief that it is
acceptable to steal software, on the grounds that software is not
a car?

If you are saying that that is your belief, then are we to
understand that it is your belief that it is acceptable to steal
everything other than cars? Diamonds, fine wine, baby elephants?
How about SUVs -- they aren't cars? And interestingly, PT Cruisers
aren't cars either: apparently they have a wheelbase 1/2" wider than
the maximum allowed for a car, specifically so that they would be
classified as light trucks and so not have to abide by the gas economy
regulations that apply to cars.

You used the word "intangible" in a previous posting. Are you
indicating that it is your belief that it is acceptable to steal
anything intangible? Software, music files, DVD contents, patents,
trade secrets? Electricity? Is it okay to "cut and run" on bills from
mechanics, tailors, plumbers, lawyers, doctors, landscapers? As long
as you pay them for any raw materials, it's okay to stiff them for the
"intangible" use of their knowledge, skills, and labour?


:End of story as far as I'm concerned (I can see
:I'm hitting my head against a brick wall here).

You aren't hitting your head against a brick wall: we're just asking
you to explain what you mean. We aren't asking you to justify your
position: we don't understand as yet what your position *is*.
 
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David

Software is not a car, which makes it okay. If you can't see that,
then that's your loss. End of story as far as I'm concerned (I can see
I'm hitting my head against a brick wall here).

It is still illegal to steal it. Sounds to me like your head is the
brick wall.
 
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nemo_outis

It is still illegal to steal it. Sounds to me like your head is the
brick wall.


Although I'm sure you're enjoying your moral posturing immensely, you might
want to pause, however briefly, to try something that is obviously
unfamiliar to you: thinking.

We are not discussing theft but rather infringement of intellectual
property laws, such as copyright and licences. Different history,
different laws, and different political, social, and economic issues.

Sorry to have interrupted you - feel free to climb back on your high horse.

Regards,
 

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