Framework Versions and Config Files

W

Wayne Hartell

Is there or will there be a way to associated config files with assemblies
as opposed to applications.

Situation: Native exe calls several .Net modules, but some .Net modules are
built for v1.0.3705 and others for v1.1.4322. I want to force the .Net
modules that need the 1.0 framework to use that, but allow the modules built
against the 1.1 framework to use that. Currently if I associate a config
file with the native exe I can specify a requiredRuntime or supportedRuntime
version, but that applies to the whole application.

Given the slight differences I am seeing between framework versions
(especially when it comes to Windows.Forms) it seems almost essential to be
able to control framework versions at an assembly level. Is there a way to
do this, or am I missing something else?

Kind Regards,
Wayne.
 
M

Mattias Sjögren

Wayne,
I want to force the .Net
modules that need the 1.0 framework to use that, but allow the modules built
against the 1.1 framework to use that.

There will only be one version of the CLR loaded into a process, so
config files will not help you here.



Mattias
 
W

Wayne Hartell

Makes sense. I thought of that after I posted.

So it seems in my company's case, we need to ensure that all .Net modules
being spawned from the native exe all use the same version of the CLR.
(i.e., v1.0). If we wanted to move ahead to v1.1 we would at minimum need to
test and modify all existing .Net modules and work around the behavior
differences between v1.0 and v1.1 of the framework, and then we could
specify that the native exe uses v1.1 in lieu of v1.0 using a config file.
New modules could then be developed against v1.1. For subsequent versions of
the CLR we would adopt the same approach.

Does this sound about right?

Regards,
Wayne.
 
Y

Yan-Hong Huang[MSFT]

Hello Wayne,

Thanks for posting in the group.

Mattias is right. When one .net application runs, it will check the flag in
exe file and load one specific verison of framework runtime. After that,
all the assemblies are running in the version of runtime.

..NET introducts side by side execution. Side-by-side execution is the
ability to run multiple versions of an application or component on the same
computer. You can have multiple versions of the common language runtime,
and multiple versions of applications and components that use a version of
the runtime, on the same computer at the same time. However, you couldn't
make a application use different version of runtimes.

Does that answer your question?

Best regards,
Yanhong Huang
Microsoft Online Partner Support

Get Secure! - www.microsoft.com/security
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.

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!Is there or will there be a way to associated config files with assemblies
!as opposed to applications.
!
!Situation: Native exe calls several .Net modules, but some .Net modules are
!built for v1.0.3705 and others for v1.1.4322. I want to force the .Net
!modules that need the 1.0 framework to use that, but allow the modules
built
!against the 1.1 framework to use that. Currently if I associate a config
!file with the native exe I can specify a requiredRuntime or
supportedRuntime
!version, but that applies to the whole application.
!
!Given the slight differences I am seeing between framework versions
!(especially when it comes to Windows.Forms) it seems almost essential to be
!able to control framework versions at an assembly level. Is there a way to
!do this, or am I missing something else?
!
!Kind Regards,
!Wayne.
!
!
!
 
Y

Yan-Hong Huang[MSFT]

Hi Wayne,

Good point.

Generally speaking, Versions 1.0 and 1.1 of the .NET Framework are designed
to be compatible. A properly configured application built with the .NET
Framework version 1.0 should run on version 1.1, and a properly configured
application built with the .NET Framework version 1.1 should run on version
1.0. Note, however, that API features added in version 1.1 of the .NET
Framework will not work with version 1.0 of the .NET Framework. We could
refer to Version Compatibility for a complete discussion of runtime
compatibility at http://www.gotdotnet.com/team/changeinfo/default.aspx.

Versions of the .NET Framework are treated as a single unit consisting of
the runtime and its associated .NET Framework assemblies (a concept
referred to as assembly unification). You can redirect assembly binding to
include other versions of the .NET Framework assemblies, but overriding the
default assembly binding can be risky and must be rigorously tested before
deployment.

Thanks very much.

Best regards,
Yanhong Huang
Microsoft Online Partner Support

Get Secure! - www.microsoft.com/security
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.

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!From: "Wayne Hartell" <[email protected]>
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!Makes sense. I thought of that after I posted.
!
!So it seems in my company's case, we need to ensure that all .Net modules
!being spawned from the native exe all use the same version of the CLR.
!(i.e., v1.0). If we wanted to move ahead to v1.1 we would at minimum need
to
!test and modify all existing .Net modules and work around the behavior
!differences between v1.0 and v1.1 of the framework, and then we could
!specify that the native exe uses v1.1 in lieu of v1.0 using a config file.
!New modules could then be developed against v1.1. For subsequent versions
of
!the CLR we would adopt the same approach.
!
!Does this sound about right?
!
!Regards,
!Wayne.
!
!
!!> Wayne,
!>
!> >I want to force the .Net
!> >modules that need the 1.0 framework to use that, but allow the modules
!built
!> >against the 1.1 framework to use that.
!>
!> There will only be one version of the CLR loaded into a process, so
!> config files will not help you here.
!>
!>
!>
!> Mattias
!>
!> --
!> Mattias Sjögren [MVP] mattias @ mvps.org
!> http://www.msjogren.net/dotnet/
!> Please reply only to the newsgroup.
!
!
!
 
W

Wayne Hartell

Yes, I think that answers my question. My company's situation comes about
because we have multi-language projects where our main application exe is a
SmallTalk exe, running the SmallTalk VM and we also have numerous C
components, C++ COM components, and now we have .Net (C#) components too. We
developed a series of modules for our main application against v1.0 of the
framework, but when v1.1 came to be, we found that some of these modules
experienced slight behavioral differences, seemingly due to possible event
order differences. Some differences were acceptable and others were not. For
example in one module clicking on a treeview node in v1.0 used to update and
refresh a whole other part of the UI, where as running under v1.1 the user
had to click twice instead of just once. Other slight differences have been
revolving around when bindings commit data and so on. Just very subtle, but
very annoying differences, experienced by a number of our developers, in a
number of our .Net modules. In many cases we have been able to refactor our
code to fix the problems, but this is a painful process, and then we wonder
about future versions of the framework and having to go back and update
legacy code every time new versions of the framework arrive! Scary...

Anyway, so we figured we could use a config file to specify which version of
the framework to use for each module so newer modules could use v1.1 and
older ones could use v1.0. Obviously there we hit the fact those modules all
run in the same process so that is not possible. Its one version of the
framework, period.

All this appears to mean to us is that we need to be conscious for any given
application (exe) which version of the framework our .Net modules target,
and stick to that version for all of those modules.

So, I think this is a workable plan. Maybe one day one of you MS guys might
admit that there are differences between framework versions. :p

Cheers,
Wayne.
 
Y

Yan-Hong Huang[MSFT]

Hello Wayne,

Thanks very much for the detailed response.

I totally understand the situation. Though the change from 1.0 to 1.1 is
minor, it is possible to break one application if we haven't tested it
throughoutly. For your convenience, we have a document which describes
changes between versions of the .NET Framework that might affect the
backward or forward compatibility of your application. Though it is not
exhaustive, I think it could help you in the development.

http://www.gotdotnet.com/team/changeinfo/default.aspx.

Thanks and please post here if you have any more concern on it.

Best regards,
Yanhong Huang
Microsoft Online Partner Support

Get Secure! - www.microsoft.com/security
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.

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!Yes, I think that answers my question. My company's situation comes about
!because we have multi-language projects where our main application exe is a
!SmallTalk exe, running the SmallTalk VM and we also have numerous C
!components, C++ COM components, and now we have .Net (C#) components too.
We
!developed a series of modules for our main application against v1.0 of the
!framework, but when v1.1 came to be, we found that some of these modules
!experienced slight behavioral differences, seemingly due to possible event
!order differences. Some differences were acceptable and others were not.
For
!example in one module clicking on a treeview node in v1.0 used to update
and
!refresh a whole other part of the UI, where as running under v1.1 the user
!had to click twice instead of just once. Other slight differences have been
!revolving around when bindings commit data and so on. Just very subtle, but
!very annoying differences, experienced by a number of our developers, in a
!number of our .Net modules. In many cases we have been able to refactor our
!code to fix the problems, but this is a painful process, and then we wonder
!about future versions of the framework and having to go back and update
!legacy code every time new versions of the framework arrive! Scary...
!
!Anyway, so we figured we could use a config file to specify which version
of
!the framework to use for each module so newer modules could use v1.1 and
!older ones could use v1.0. Obviously there we hit the fact those modules
all
!run in the same process so that is not possible. Its one version of the
!framework, period.
!
!All this appears to mean to us is that we need to be conscious for any
given
!application (exe) which version of the framework our .Net modules target,
!and stick to that version for all of those modules.
!
!So, I think this is a workable plan. Maybe one day one of you MS guys might
!admit that there are differences between framework versions. :p
!
!Cheers,
!Wayne.
!
!!> Hello Wayne,
!>
!> Thanks for posting in the group.
!>
!> Mattias is right. When one .net application runs, it will check the flag
!in
!> exe file and load one specific verison of framework runtime. After that,
!> all the assemblies are running in the version of runtime.
!>
!> NET introducts side by side execution. Side-by-side execution is the
!> ability to run multiple versions of an application or component on the
!same
!> computer. You can have multiple versions of the common language runtime,
!> and multiple versions of applications and components that use a version
of
!> the runtime, on the same computer at the same time. However, you couldn't
!> make a application use different version of runtimes.
!>
!> Does that answer your question?
!>
!> Best regards,
!> Yanhong Huang
!> Microsoft Online Partner Support
!>
!> Get Secure! - www.microsoft.com/security
!> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
!rights.
!>
!> --------------------
!> !From: "Wayne Hartell" <[email protected]>
!> !Subject: Framework Versions and Config Files
!> !Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 10:18:46 -0400
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!> !
!> !Is there or will there be a way to associated config files with
!assemblies
!> !as opposed to applications.
!> !
!> !Situation: Native exe calls several .Net modules, but some .Net modules
!are
!> !built for v1.0.3705 and others for v1.1.4322. I want to force the .Net
!> !modules that need the 1.0 framework to use that, but allow the modules
!> built
!> !against the 1.1 framework to use that. Currently if I associate a config
!> !file with the native exe I can specify a requiredRuntime or
!> supportedRuntime
!> !version, but that applies to the whole application.
!> !
!> !Given the slight differences I am seeing between framework versions
!> !(especially when it comes to Windows.Forms) it seems almost essential to
!be
!> !able to control framework versions at an assembly level. Is there a way
!to
!> !do this, or am I missing something else?
!> !
!> !Kind Regards,
!> !Wayne.
!> !
!> !
!> !
!>
!
!
!
 

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