FP2003 Won't Show Data in WYSIWYG Mode

[Arthur Shapiro]

I'm the webmaster for a bicycle club, currently using FP2000 to administer the
site. The designer used Dreamweaver to create the basic pages. I use WYSIWYG
mode for adding routine textual stuff, and go into HTML mode for doing
anything else. Other than using a fair amount of absolute and relative
positioning, the site is fairly simple - no flash, database stuff, .asp, or
the like. I ensure that everything displays correctly in IE and Mozilla.

The only problem I have in FP2000 is that an image map at the bottom of each
page incorrectly plasters itself in the middle of the page area used for
actual information when I'm in WYSIWYG mode. Not a showstopper, and I assume
a bug, as the pages pass 4.01 transitional validation. I can live with the
problem.

I decided to see what FP2003 might do to improve my life, so I installed it on
one of my machines and brought up the web site.

To my surprise, all I get in WYSIWYG mode is a little bit of the graphics that
is common to all pages. Absolutely none of the textual stuff comes through,
except of course in HTML mode. There's just a big white area where all my
information is presented.

Does this sort of problem ring a bell with anyone? I'm not really sure how to
proceed.

If anyone cares, the site is www.ocrebels.com, and the behavior in question is
observed as I open any of the site's pages in FP2003.

Appreciate any words of wisdom.






Art
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[chris leeds]

you said you test with ie/ mozilla. what do these pages look like in the
wysiwyg editor in mozilla?

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I'm the webmaster for a bicycle club, currently using FP2000 to administer the
site. The designer used Dreamweaver to create the basic pages. I use WYSIWYG
mode for adding routine textual stuff, and go into HTML mode for doing
anything else. Other than using a fair amount of absolute and relative
positioning, the site is fairly simple - no flash, database stuff, .asp, or
the like. I ensure that everything displays correctly in IE and Mozilla.

The only problem I have in FP2000 is that an image map at the bottom of each
page incorrectly plasters itself in the middle of the page area used for
actual information when I'm in WYSIWYG mode. Not a showstopper, and I assume
a bug, as the pages pass 4.01 transitional validation. I can live with the
problem.

I decided to see what FP2003 might do to improve my life, so I installed it on
one of my machines and brought up the web site.

To my surprise, all I get in WYSIWYG mode is a little bit of the graphics that
is common to all pages. Absolutely none of the textual stuff comes through,
except of course in HTML mode. There's just a big white area where all my
information is presented.

Does this sort of problem ring a bell with anyone? I'm not really sure how to
proceed.

If anyone cares, the site is www.ocrebels.com, and the behavior in question is
observed as I open any of the site's pages in FP2003.

Appreciate any words of wisdom.






Art
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[Crash Gordon]

It looks fine online. It also looks fine when I edit that page in FP2002...looks norbal.

Is the problem only happening in FP2003?


| I'm the webmaster for a bicycle club, currently using FP2000 to administer the
| site. The designer used Dreamweaver to create the basic pages. I use WYSIWYG
| mode for adding routine textual stuff, and go into HTML mode for doing
| anything else. Other than using a fair amount of absolute and relative
| positioning, the site is fairly simple - no flash, database stuff, ..asp, or
| the like. I ensure that everything displays correctly in IE and Mozilla.
|
| The only problem I have in FP2000 is that an image map at the bottom of each
| page incorrectly plasters itself in the middle of the page area used for
| actual information when I'm in WYSIWYG mode. Not a showstopper, and I assume
| a bug, as the pages pass 4.01 transitional validation. I can live with the
| problem.
|
| I decided to see what FP2003 might do to improve my life, so I installed it on
| one of my machines and brought up the web site.
|
| To my surprise, all I get in WYSIWYG mode is a little bit of the graphics that
| is common to all pages. Absolutely none of the textual stuff comes through,
| except of course in HTML mode. There's just a big white area where all my
| information is presented.
|
| Does this sort of problem ring a bell with anyone? I'm not really sure how to
| proceed.
|
| If anyone cares, the site is www.ocrebels.com, and the behavior in question is
| observed as I open any of the site's pages in FP2003.
|
| Appreciate any words of wisdom.
|
|
|
|
|
|
| Art
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[Crash Gordon]

ah, i see it now on the rides.htm page
not familiar with fp2003 though.

It looks fine online. It also looks fine when I edit that page in FP2002...looks norbal.

Is the problem only happening in FP2003?


| I'm the webmaster for a bicycle club, currently using FP2000 to administer the
| site. The designer used Dreamweaver to create the basic pages. I use WYSIWYG
| mode for adding routine textual stuff, and go into HTML mode for doing
| anything else. Other than using a fair amount of absolute and relative
| positioning, the site is fairly simple - no flash, database stuff, ..asp, or
| the like. I ensure that everything displays correctly in IE and Mozilla.
|
| The only problem I have in FP2000 is that an image map at the bottom of each
| page incorrectly plasters itself in the middle of the page area used for
| actual information when I'm in WYSIWYG mode. Not a showstopper, and I assume
| a bug, as the pages pass 4.01 transitional validation. I can live with the
| problem.
|
| I decided to see what FP2003 might do to improve my life, so I installed it on
| one of my machines and brought up the web site.
|
| To my surprise, all I get in WYSIWYG mode is a little bit of the graphics that
| is common to all pages. Absolutely none of the textual stuff comes through,
| except of course in HTML mode. There's just a big white area where all my
| information is presented.
|
| Does this sort of problem ring a bell with anyone? I'm not really sure how to
| proceed.
|
| If anyone cares, the site is www.ocrebels.com, and the behavior in question is
| observed as I open any of the site's pages in FP2003.
|
| Appreciate any words of wisdom.
|
|
|
|
|
|
| Art
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[Arthur Shapiro]

It looks fine online. It also looks fine when I edit that page in =
FP2002...looks norbal.

Is the problem only happening in FP2003?

Well, I don't have FP2002 to know! I may try and borrow a copy just to see.

I'm surprised you could edit the file at all, as there are a couple other
files that have to be included (the css file and a couple layout files), which
would make casual editing tough.

If it didn't view properly online, of course, this would be a critical
problem. As it is, it's only preventing me from moving to the newer release
of FP and the older version is quite acceptable.

Thanks for the information.

Art
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[Arthur Shapiro]

you said you test with ie/ mozilla. what do these pages look like in the
wysiwyg editor in mozilla?

I hadn't thought to try that. I'm seeing the same failure mode in Mozilla
1.5. I'm seeing the top blue motif, with the jersey and the top graphic, and
the title of the page immediately beneath. Neither the leftside or bottom
graphics or the body of textual content are visible.

Art

Art
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[Ronx]

In FP2003, show the Layers taskpane (View -> Taskpane, then select layers
from the dropdown), then click the visibility column for each of the layers
with an ID. The page will appear before your eyes.
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I'm the webmaster for a bicycle club, currently using FP2000 to administer the
site. The designer used Dreamweaver to create the basic pages. I use WYSIWYG
mode for adding routine textual stuff, and go into HTML mode for doing
anything else. Other than using a fair amount of absolute and relative
positioning, the site is fairly simple - no flash, database stuff, .asp, or
the like. I ensure that everything displays correctly in IE and Mozilla.

The only problem I have in FP2000 is that an image map at the bottom of each
page incorrectly plasters itself in the middle of the page area used for
actual information when I'm in WYSIWYG mode. Not a showstopper, and I assume
a bug, as the pages pass 4.01 transitional validation. I can live with the
problem.

I decided to see what FP2003 might do to improve my life, so I installed it on
one of my machines and brought up the web site.

To my surprise, all I get in WYSIWYG mode is a little bit of the graphics that
is common to all pages. Absolutely none of the textual stuff comes through,
except of course in HTML mode. There's just a big white area where all my
information is presented.

Does this sort of problem ring a bell with anyone? I'm not really sure how to
proceed.

If anyone cares, the site is www.ocrebels.com, and the behavior in question is
observed as I open any of the site's pages in FP2003.

Appreciate any words of wisdom.






Art
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[chris leeds]

I looked at it in the mozilla composer and it's actually worse than in
FrontPage.
I think it's because you've got so much absolute positioning and stuff going
on there, plus I see some Microsoft smart tag stripping metas in there.

I've got a site or two that use a lot of this .css type stuff and figured it
just confused the wysiwyg editor and resigned myself to editing in code
view.

Have you given any thought to just laying the damn thing out in tables?
It's not like you're saving any code with the abs. pos. that you've got
going on there. It's a very simple site to have been put together in such
a complicated way. what's up with that?


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I hadn't thought to try that. I'm seeing the same failure mode in Mozilla
1.5. I'm seeing the top blue motif, with the jersey and the top graphic, and
the title of the page immediately beneath. Neither the leftside or bottom
graphics or the body of textual content are visible.

Art

Art
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[chris leeds]

when he hit it online it might not have pulled the .css.
Maybe you could just comment out the .css call when you edit. it'll be ugly
but maybe more usable for editing?

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Well, I don't have FP2002 to know! I may try and borrow a copy just to see.

I'm surprised you could edit the file at all, as there are a couple other
files that have to be included (the css file and a couple layout files), which
would make casual editing tough.

If it didn't view properly online, of course, this would be a critical
problem. As it is, it's only preventing me from moving to the newer release
of FP and the older version is quite acceptable.

Thanks for the information.

Art
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this ISP to reach me

 

[Crash Gordon]

oh no. it came up beautifully and no request for a log in/password, I copied the whole thing and played with it for a while...looked good until I discovered the errant nav bar. But I'm not familiar with layers and it kinda looks like that's what they are because I can just slide the nav bar around anywhere I want...same with the images, which you can't normally do with fp 2002 stuff.

that was the extend of my adventure


| when he hit it online it might not have pulled the .css.
| Maybe you could just comment out the .css call when you edit. it'll be ugly
| but maybe more usable for editing?
|
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| The email address on this posting is a "black hole". I got tired of all the
| spam.
| Please feel free to contact me here:
| http://nedp.net/contact/
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|
|
| | > In article <[email protected]>, "Crash Gordon"
| > >It looks fine online. It also looks fine when I edit that page in =
| > >FP2002...looks norbal.
| > >
| > >Is the problem only happening in FP2003?
| >
| > Well, I don't have FP2002 to know! I may try and borrow a copy just to
| see.
| >
| > I'm surprised you could edit the file at all, as there are a couple other
| > files that have to be included (the css file and a couple layout files),
| which
| > would make casual editing tough.
| >
| > If it didn't view properly online, of course, this would be a critical
| > problem. As it is, it's only preventing me from moving to the newer
| release
| > of FP and the older version is quite acceptable.
| >
| > Thanks for the information.
| >
| > Art
| > Temporary usercode - to be deleted when spam starts. Use MyBrainHurts at
| this ISP to reach me
|
|

 

[Arthur Shapiro]

In FP2003, show the Layers taskpane (View -> Taskpane, then select layers
from the dropdown), then click the visibility column

Thanks...I'm about to leave for today's ride, but I'll try it this afternoon.
I had briefly fooled with layers before making the initial post, but not
enough to understand what's going on.

As to why the site uses CSS rather than tables: because the designer made it
that way. But isn't that the "approved" manner of doing layouts these days?

Art

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[Arthur Shapiro]

In FP2003, show the Layers taskpane

That did it. Once I enabled all the "layers" (which to me aren't really
layers), it seemed to permanently work. I had to do this for each of my
site's pages, and the changed settings were retained through FP restart. So
I'm happy, although I don't intuitively grasp why FP would default to not
showing me the most critical part of my pages.

Now to start trying to see what changes in the 2003 version might be
advantageous to me. The thing I'd love most of all would be keyboard
shortcuts for arbitrary snippets of HTML code, but I don't see that, at least
yet.

Thanks for all your responses.


Art
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[Stefan B Rusynko]

Look at Code Snippets in Tools Page Options Code Snippets
- In Code View use View Tool Bars and Select the Code View Toolbar, or use Ctrl-Enter at the code insertion point
And Behaviors in Format Behaviors
- also see http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/?url=/library/en-us/odc_fp2003_ta/html/odc_fpCreatingBehaviors.asp
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| >In FP2003, show the Layers taskpane
|
| That did it. Once I enabled all the "layers" (which to me aren't really
| layers), it seemed to permanently work. I had to do this for each of my
| site's pages, and the changed settings were retained through FP restart. So
| I'm happy, although I don't intuitively grasp why FP would default to not
| showing me the most critical part of my pages.
|
| Now to start trying to see what changes in the 2003 version might be
| advantageous to me. The thing I'd love most of all would be keyboard
| shortcuts for arbitrary snippets of HTML code, but I don't see that, at least
| yet.
|
| Thanks for all your responses.
|
|
| Art
| Temporary usercode - to be deleted when spam starts. Use MyBrainHurts at this ISP to reach me