FP2000 Search Bot probs


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Guest

Have checked with host ISP and they are adamant that the extensions are OK. In fact they say they have reloaded and recalculated

I have published the same web to another host of mine and it all works. It also works on my machine that has IIS and FP extensions running

Then I examined the search.htm on each site live and the search web bot script is different. I have included the two scripts below. My knowledge doesn't extend this far yet... The site which is not working reports a cant find page error when you "submit" as '_derived/nortbots not found'. I dont publish this folder it is something frontpage is supposed to do when publishing. The folder _derived is there but does not contain the Bot. What (and why) the difference in the two scripts

The Scripts

siteA (working

<!--webbot bot="Search" S-Index="All" S-Fields="TimeStamp,DocumentK,Weight
S-Text="Search for word:" I-Size="30" S-Submit="Start Search" S-Clear="Reset
S-TimestampFormat="%d %B %Y %H:%M:%S" TAG="BODY" startspan b-useindexserver="0" --><form action="../_vti_bin/shtml.dll/pages/search.htm" method="POST"><input type="hidden" name="VTI-GROUP" value="0"><p><b>Search for word: </b><input type="text" name="search" size="30" value></p><p><input type="submit" value="Start Search"><input type="reset" value="Reset"></p></form><!--webbot bot="Search" endspan i-checksum="44723" --

siteB (NOT working

<!--webbot bot="Search" S-Index="All" S-Fields="TimeStamp,DocumentK,Weight
S-Text="Search for word:" I-Size="30" S-Submit="Start Search" S-Clear="Reset
S-TimestampFormat="%d %B %Y %H:%M:%S" TAG="BODY" startspan b-useindexserver="0" --><form action="../_derived/nortbots.htm" method="POST" onsubmit="location.href='../_derived/nortbots.htm';return false;"><input type="hidden" name="VTI-GROUP" value="0"><p><b>Search for word: </b><input type="text" name="search" size="30" value></p><p><input type="submit" value="Start Search"><input type="reset" value="Reset"></p></form><!--webbot bot="Search" endspan i-checksum="32093" --

Sorry posting is so long, <tearing out of hair and gnashing of teeth>
 
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Thomas A. Rowe

Is the OS and the version of the extensions the same on both servers?

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Kevin said:
Have checked with host ISP and they are adamant that the extensions are OK. In fact they say they
have reloaded and recalculated.
I have published the same web to another host of mine and it all works. It also works on my
machine that has IIS and FP extensions running.
Then I examined the search.htm on each site live and the search web bot script is different. I
have included the two scripts below. My knowledge doesn't extend this far yet... The site which is
not working reports a cant find page error when you "submit" as '_derived/nortbots not found'. I
dont publish this folder it is something frontpage is supposed to do when publishing. The folder
_derived is there but does not contain the Bot. What (and why) the difference in the two scripts?
The Scripts:

siteA (working)

<!--webbot bot="Search" S-Index="All" S-Fields="TimeStamp,DocumentK,Weight"
S-Text="Search for word:" I-Size="30" S-Submit="Start Search" S-Clear="Reset"
S-TimestampFormat="%d %B %Y %H:%M:%S" TAG="BODY" startspan b-useindexserver="0" --><form
action="../_vti_bin/shtml.dll/pages/search.htm" method="POST"><input type="hidden" name="VTI-GROUP"
value="0"><p><b>Search for word: </b><input type="text" name="search" size="30" value></p><p><input
type="submit" value="Start Search"> said:
siteB (NOT working)

<!--webbot bot="Search" S-Index="All" S-Fields="TimeStamp,DocumentK,Weight"
S-Text="Search for word:" I-Size="30" S-Submit="Start Search" S-Clear="Reset"
S-TimestampFormat="%d %B %Y %H:%M:%S" TAG="BODY" startspan b-useindexserver="0" --><form
action="../_derived/nortbots.htm" method="POST"
onsubmit="location.href='../_derived/nortbots.htm';return false;"><input type="hidden"
name="VTI-GROUP" value="0"><p><b>Search for word: </b><input type="text" name="search" size="30"
 
S

Stefan B Rusynko

Are the 2 sites on the same type of server (Windows w/ Index Catalog or Unix/Linux)
Only Windows serer support Index catalog (and require one to be set in IIS if used)
Unix only supports WAIS search
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| Have checked with host ISP and they are adamant that the extensions are OK. In fact they say they have reloaded and recalculated.
|
| I have published the same web to another host of mine and it all works. It also works on my machine that has IIS and FP extensions
running.
|
| Then I examined the search.htm on each site live and the search web bot script is different. I have included the two scripts
below. My knowledge doesn't extend this far yet... The site which is not working reports a cant find page error when you "submit" as
'_derived/nortbots not found'. I dont publish this folder it is something frontpage is supposed to do when publishing. The folder
_derived is there but does not contain the Bot. What (and why) the difference in the two scripts?
|
| The Scripts:
|
| siteA (working)
|
| <!--webbot bot="Search" S-Index="All" S-Fields="TimeStamp,DocumentK,Weight"
| S-Text="Search for word:" I-Size="30" S-Submit="Start Search" S-Clear="Reset"
| S-TimestampFormat="%d %B %Y %H:%M:%S" TAG="BODY" startspan b-useindexserver="0" --><form
action="../_vti_bin/shtml.dll/pages/search.htm" method="POST"><input type="hidden" name="VTI-GROUP" value="0"><p><b>Search for word:
</b><input type="text" name="search" size="30" value></p><p><input type="submit" value="Start Search"><input type="reset"
value="Reset"></p></form><!--webbot bot="Search" endspan i-checksum="44723" -->
|
|
| siteB (NOT working)
|
| <!--webbot bot="Search" S-Index="All" S-Fields="TimeStamp,DocumentK,Weight"
| S-Text="Search for word:" I-Size="30" S-Submit="Start Search" S-Clear="Reset"
| S-TimestampFormat="%d %B %Y %H:%M:%S" TAG="BODY" startspan b-useindexserver="0" --><form action="../_derived/nortbots.htm"
method="POST" onsubmit="location.href='../_derived/nortbots.htm';return false;"><input type="hidden" name="VTI-GROUP"
value="0"><p><b>Search for word: </b><input type="text" name="search" size="30" value></p><p><input type="submit" value="Start
Search"><input type="reset" value="Reset"></p></form><!--webbot bot="Search" endspan i-checksum="32093" -->
|
|
| Sorry posting is so long, <tearing out of hair and gnashing of teeth>
 
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Tom Pepper Willett

Kevin: the "_derived/nortbots not found" error usually indicates:
1) You have used FTP instead of http publishing to a host with FP server
extensions installed, rendering the components inoperable. or:

2) The extensions are either not installed, or they are corrupted.

How to check and see if FP Server Extensions are installed on the host
server:
http://www.dnswiz.com/fptype.htm

or, type in your website root URL with /_vti_inf.html ex:
http://www.mysitename.com/_vti_inf.html and you will see whether your site
has them installed and enabled.

Also, I Suggest you open your live site in FrontPage and Tools | Recalculate
hyperlinks.
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Tom Pepper Willett
Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
http://www.microsoft.com/office/frontpage/prodinfo/default.mspx
http://msdn.microsoft.com/frontpage
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Kevin said:
Have checked with host ISP and they are adamant that the extensions are
OK. In fact they say they have reloaded and recalculated.
I have published the same web to another host of mine and it all works. It
also works on my machine that has IIS and FP extensions running.
Then I examined the search.htm on each site live and the search web bot
script is different. I have included the two scripts below. My knowledge
doesn't extend this far yet... The site which is not working reports a cant
find page error when you "submit" as '_derived/nortbots not found'. I dont
publish this folder it is something frontpage is supposed to do when
publishing. The folder _derived is there but does not contain the Bot. What
(and why) the difference in the two scripts?
The Scripts:

siteA (working)

<!--webbot bot="Search" S-Index="All" S-Fields="TimeStamp,DocumentK,Weight"
S-Text="Search for word:" I-Size="30" S-Submit="Start Search" S-Clear="Reset"
S-TimestampFormat="%d %B %Y %H:%M:%S" TAG="BODY" startspan
b-useindexserver="0" --><form
action="../_vti_bin/shtml.dll/pages/search.htm" method="POST"><input
type="hidden" name="VTI-GROUP" value="0"><p><b>Search for word: </b><input
type="text" name="search" size="30" value></p><p><input type="submit"
value="Start Search"> said:
siteB (NOT working)

<!--webbot bot="Search" S-Index="All" S-Fields="TimeStamp,DocumentK,Weight"
S-Text="Search for word:" I-Size="30" S-Submit="Start Search" S-Clear="Reset"
S-TimestampFormat="%d %B %Y %H:%M:%S" TAG="BODY" startspan
b-useindexserver="0" --><form action="../_derived/nortbots.htm"
method="POST" onsubmit="location.href='../_derived/nortbots.htm';return
false;"><input type="hidden" name="VTI-GROUP" value="0"><p><b>Search for
word: </b><input type="text" name="search" size="30" value></p><p><input
type="submit" value="Start Search"><input type="reset"
 
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Guest

Tom

1) I haven't FTP'd I know this will break it
2) They assure me they are not corrupt - they have published a test page to my web with a hit counter and it works, however None of my 'forms' work, they display the [FrontPage Save Results Component] thing :¬{
3) I have checked out with dnswiz.com: working site - it says IIS/5.0 and FP extensions not installed(?) - but they work??
not working site says server version not disclosed, and FP extensions not installed

For info the sites are www.martham.gov.uk which doesn't work and www.subtend.co.uk which does. (two different ISP's

thanks for your help
 
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Tom Pepper Willett

Did you try recalculating the hyperlinks as I suggested?

Do you have your forms designed to send form information to email? If so,
has your host enabled the forms to email transport?
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Tom Pepper Willett
Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
http://www.microsoft.com/office/frontpage/prodinfo/default.mspx
http://msdn.microsoft.com/frontpage
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kevin said:
Tom,

1) I haven't FTP'd I know this will break it.
2) They assure me they are not corrupt - they have published a test page
to my web with a hit counter and it works, however None of my 'forms' work,
they display the [FrontPage Save Results Component] thing :¬{
3) I have checked out with dnswiz.com: working site - it says IIS/5.0 and
FP extensions not installed(?) - but they work???
not working site says server version not disclosed, and FP extensions not installed.

For info the sites are www.martham.gov.uk which doesn't work and
www.subtend.co.uk which does. (two different ISP's)
 
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Kevin Spencer

Hi Tom,

I didn't see an error. I only spotted the WebBot code for the counter in the
HTML of the Home Page.

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HTH,
Kevin Spencer
..Net Developer
Microsoft MVP
Big things are made up
of lots of little things.
 

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