FOXCONN P9657AB No Video, No Post, no nothing

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Question:

Would insufficient power to a CPU ( Intel DUO 2 at 2.4Ghz , Socket
775) prevent a bios for Posting? The led power light shows up on my
board, the fans spin, the fans on the video card (PC-Express) spin. I
will not POSTat all.

I have a power supply with a 4-PIN cpu power cable and not an 8-pin,
but the book says I can use a 4-pin, just move it over to the right
side pins. I have the 24pin board clipped in just fine.

It this why it won't even POST? Because I dont have the proper power
supply with an 8-PIN cable for the CPU power.

Erik
 
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Dave

Question:

Would insufficient power to a CPU ( Intel DUO 2 at 2.4Ghz , Socket
775) prevent a bios for Posting? The led power light shows up on my
board, the fans spin, the fans on the video card (PC-Express) spin. I
will not POSTat all.

I have a power supply with a 4-PIN cpu power cable and not an 8-pin,
but the book says I can use a 4-pin, just move it over to the right
side pins. I have the 24pin board clipped in just fine.

It this why it won't even POST? Because I dont have the proper power
supply with an 8-PIN cable for the CPU power.

Erik

Whos right side?

Insufficient power would not prevent the CPU from POST, but it might lock up
and or reboot during POST. What's more common is that the power supply is
not providing power_ok to the mainboard, so the CPU will not even start
POST. Short version of boot process: hit power switch, power supply starts
up, power supply sends power_ok to mainboard, which passes power_OK signal
to CPU, CPU starts running POST program from BIOS (you should hear a post
BEEP, just one if no problems), if basic POST checks don't fail, THEN video
adapter is initialized (you start to see video on monitor) and POST
continues, if POST completes, then CPU looks for OS according to settings
stored in CMOS, which can be changed by your BIOS setup program (usually
checks the "CD" drive first, then the hard drive, looking for an OS to boot)

In your specific case though, I'm betting it's that 4-pin cable on an 8-pin
connector that is the problem.

Oh, and don't be fooled by LED lamps lit or fans spinning. Both of those
things are VERY forgiving when it comes to bad voltage. This is not an
indication that your power supply is good. But then it doesn't mean
anything really. A good power supply would show the same symptoms, if
something else was preventing the POST from running.

I'd be willing to bet that a new power supply with 8-pin CPU cable built in
would do the trick. I'm surprised to hear that the manual says you can use
a 4-pin CPU power cable. But if so, are you SURE you have the right 4 pins
powered????? -Dave
 
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johngo

Hi Erik,

I know for a fact that for the COR 2 DUO to function correctly you
will need a 600 watt power supply or bigger,
if you try with a 350watt the fans will turn and leds will burn but
you will get nothing further than that,

My advice would be to get a bigger power supply and you will probably
find that that 4 pin will now be a 8 pin,

Good luck

John
 
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Thanks, yes I put the 4-pin cable on per the specs in the manual.
However, I did buy a Dynex 400w ATX SATA SLI Power Supply and I can
see from John's posting that I need at least a 600, so I'll buy
another one and follow up with the groups.

As for the bullshit comment, I think I'll ignore that since there is
no explaination to backup the "bullshit' call. Would Mr. Nobody like
to comment back on the bullshit call?

Thanks guys!

Erik
 
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John Doe

johngo said:
Hi Erik,

I know for a fact that for the COR 2 DUO to function correctly you
will need a 600 watt power supply or bigger,

That is not necessarily true. A wattage rating by itself can be
meaningless. Actual power output can vary greatly between bad and
good power supplies that are rated the same wattage. My high-quality
380 W supply is doing just fine running a E6850. Most of the Duos
are 65 W anyway, they shouldn't require a big power supply unless
it's very cheap.
 
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Boo

Thanks, yes I put the 4-pin cable on per the specs in the manual.
However, I did buy a Dynex 400w ATX SATA SLI Power Supply and I can
see from John's posting that I need at least a 600, so I'll buy
another one and follow up with the groups.

As for the bullshit comment, I think I'll ignore that since there is
no explaination to backup the "bullshit' call. Would Mr. Nobody like
to comment back on the bullshit call?

I am not mr nobody, but since I am running a quad core Q6600 with 8GB of RAM and
3 raided 500GB hard disks on a 500W PSU I think it is reasonable to assume he
meant you don't need a 600W PSU for a dual core cpu. Of course if you have a 4
card SLI graphics setup along with 6 raided hard disks then maybe the situation
will be different.
 
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sorry it showed "Nobody" on groups.google.com , thanks for the
response. I think the issue is that the board expects the 8-pin. I'm
better off buying the best stuff I can since a new system and get a
nice 650W quiet PSU with the 24-pin and 8-pin CPU connectors.
 
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Paul

Dave said:
I'd be willing to bet that a new power supply with 8-pin CPU cable built
in would do the trick. I'm surprised to hear that the manual says you
can use a 4-pin CPU power cable. But if so, are you SURE you have the
right 4 pins powered????? -Dave

You can use a four pin (2x2 two yellow wires, two black wires) for
CPU power. The eight pin (four yellow, four black), would only be needed
if the processor power was over 130W. The four pin handles everything up
to and including 130W.

The Molex connectors have shapes on the end, which will restrict where
the four pin ATX end will fit, with respect to the eight pin on the
motherboard. So not all possible orientations work.

A good motherboard, will ship with a label stuck over the four
unused pins on the motherboard, making it easier for the user
to see which holes to use.

Generally, the only time you really need an eight pin, is if you
were doing some severe overclocking. For example, if you had a
D 805 (old Intel dual core at 2.66GHz), and overclocked it to
4GHz like Tomshardware did, for that you need about 200W of
electricity. In which case, the motherboard should have more than
four phases for Vcore (if you want it to last), and the connector
should be the eight pin variety.

(95W nominal - the 200W is because the frequency contributes 50%
more power, plus you have to raise Vcore, which accounts for additional
power above the 50% due to speed. If the Vcore could stay at nominal,
the additional power would be proportional to frequency alone.
Power is proportional to FCV**2, F=freq,V=voltage,C=capacitance, a
constant in this case.)

http://processorfinder.intel.com/details.aspx?sSpec=SL8ZH

Today's 65 watt dual cores, when not overclocked, are not
stressing the four pin connector at all.

Paul
 
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thanks Paul, but I'm still at a point of not even getting a POST. The
PSU I bought is pretty crappy (not a major brand)... anyone have a
good list of reasons for NO POST? I know this beyond vauge, but I'm
at a loss now since this last great post from Paul.
 
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Dave

thanks Paul, but I'm still at a point of not even getting a POST. The
PSU I bought is pretty crappy (not a major brand)... anyone have a
good list of reasons for NO POST? I know this beyond vauge, but I'm
at a loss now since this last great post from Paul.

To POST, you need a good (note I said GOOD):
-Motherboard
-CPU
-Power Supply
And, the connections between those three need to be correct.

You should also have video card and RAM installed, but this is not required
for POST. Without video card or RAM installed, POST will not complete
without errors!!! (but it will POST, it will just give you error beeps)

Most common cause of no POST (probably 99% or better) is a bad power supply.
Most of the rest would be bad motherboard. CPUs are generally pretty
reliable, if installed correctly.

If the PSU you bought is pretty crappy in your opinion, that just confirms
what should be your first suspect anyway. I'd recommend you try the
following:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151033
That's about the cheapest you will find on a decent quality power supply
that is well matched to your hardware. -Dave
 
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Paul

thanks Paul, but I'm still at a point of not even getting a POST. The
PSU I bought is pretty crappy (not a major brand)... anyone have a
good list of reasons for NO POST? I know this beyond vauge, but I'm
at a loss now since this last great post from Paul.

You can try simplifying your setup. For example, remove the video
card and the RAM. Sometimes, bad RAM can make a board fail to do anything.

With video card and RAM removed, if the BIOS was actually working, the
computer speaker should beep. Your motherboard doesn't have SPKR pins on
the panel header that I could find in the manual, and the picture of the
motherboard on Newegg shows the board has a round piezo speaker near the
SATA connectors. That should beep once if everything was working fine.

If you have a motherboard, with processor ahd heatsink/fan connected to the
CPU header, then the processor should be able to execute some BIOS code.
You'd check that a BIOS chip was present in its socket. On this motherboard,
the BIOS chip is near the blue video card connector. On the one side of the
video card connector, is the yellow PCI Express x1 connector. On the
other side of the blue connector, is the BIOS chip socket and BIOS chip.
It has a hologram looking sticker on the top of the chip.

If the processor can read the BIOS chip, then it'll be in a position
to "complain" about the lack of other hardware components. You'd expect to hear
two beeps or three beeps (varies with BIOS type), for some of the
missing hardware conditions. You'd be relying on the existence of
those beeps, that the processor is executing some BIOS code. If
the processor cannot execute BIOS code, then you get no beeps.

Then, if you install some RAM, and the beeping stops entirely, that
tells you the RAM may be bad and shorting out the memory slot.
(Always power off, and even unplug, before making changes to the
hardware configuration. You don't want +5VSB to be present in the
computer, when changing RAM for example. I find it simpler to just
unplug when changing hardware, as that is easier for me to remember
to do.)

The last two computers I built, I assembled them entirely on
my work table, without using the computer case. I put the motherboard
on top of a cardboard covered telephone book. That raises the
motherboard high enough, that the faceplate tab on the video card
won't hit the table. You have to be really careful with this method,
because if you accidentally pull on the video cable, it pulls the
video card right out of the video card slot.

The advantage of the "cardboard test", is it avoids potential shorting
issues on the bottom of the motherboard.

I actually got the system working completely, while sitting on the
table, including repair install of the OS on the boot drive. Once
all the hardware was proven, I could put the hardware into the
computer case and finish the job.

If you wanted to verify the power supply, what I do it take a
multimeter, set it to 20VDC full scale, and probe the backside
of the main ATX power connector, while the system is running.
I clip the black ground lead of the multimeter to a screw on
an I/O connector in the I/O area of the motherboard. Then,
with the red lead, I can probe the main power connector (where
the wires enter the nylon shroud). There is some exposed metal
of the power connector pins there, and you can take a voltage
reading from each pin. The motherboard manual has a list of the
signal names on that connector, to compare against. The voltages
should be no more than 5% from the nominal values (3.3V, 5V, 12V,
-12V, +5VSB and so on).

Paul
 
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Paul

AbeDream said:
I am having the exact same problem.
Have a Ultra 500W PSU with 4 pins for CPU
Have a FOXCONN P9657AB
CPU Core 2 DUO 3.0 Ghz
and 2.1 V Crucial RAM
No Video, No Post, no nothing, just fans spinning.
Did the new PSU work for YOU?

What is the FSB specification of the processor ?
Is it FSB1333 ? The motherboard is listed as
using a P965 chipset, with FSB options of
1066 / 800 / 533 MHz.

http://www.foxconnchannel.com/product/Motherboards/detail_spec.aspx?ID=en-us0000297

Paul
 
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Leaffe said:
I am having the same problem as the OP and the ^^. I have the FOXCONN
P9657AB mobo. The FSB is 1066/800/533.

My CPU is an Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 processor with FSB of 1333mhz.

Basically I plug it in and power on the Power Supply. A red LED comes
up on the mobo. I flip the switch, the HDD spins, all the fans spin,
but there are no beeps, and there is no video.

Is my problem the FSB disparity between the mobo and the CPU? Or is it
possibly a bad CPU or mobo?

Also, I've tried with 2 different PSUs, one I know to be working (I
took it out of another PC, and have since put it back in), but with a
4-pin ATX connector, and a new one I bought with an 8-pin EPS connector
after I read this thread.

Any help would be GREATLY appreciated, as I am very frustrated right
now.

Before buying any motherboard and CPU combination, you generally want
proof the combination will work. Some of the motherboard makers, provide
CPU charts, to show which combinations work or have been tested, and
what minimum BIOS version is needed.

The Foxconn site mentions FSB1066 for that P965 based product, which
is the "non-overclocked" limit for the chipset. Other manufacturers
have managed to run the chipset at faster speeds. But since I cannot
see a CPUSupport chart on the Foxconn site, I cannot see any proof
that you can mix a FSB1333 processor, with your FSB1066 motherboard.

You may want to substitute a known working LGA775 processor, to
verify the motherboard works. If a slower processor works, and your
E8400 does not, the conclusion would be that Foxconn has made
no provision for it to work. You would then need to purchase a FSB1333
motherboard, for your E8400 processor.

Paul
 

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