force chassis fan to slow with speedfan?

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Norman Ramsey

I am pounding my head against the wall trying to
get speedfan to slow my chassis fan from 1000 RPM
to a quieter 600-800 RPM. The whole system is very
cool; CPU temp at idle is 21C and at full load is 40C.
GPU temp is around 47C. There is *no* need for the
exhaust fan to run at 1000 RPM.

I am using an ASUS M3N78-EMH HDMI mobo with ASUS Q-Fan for controlling
the
speed of the CPU fan. The thing is cooled with a Scythe Ninja and I'm
rather
tempted to disconnect the CPU fan and plug the case fan into the CPU
fan header.
But if it's possible to slow things down with speedfan, I'd rather do
that instead.

I'm baffled by the zillions of controls and the lack of documentation.
At this point all I want to do is slow down the fan manually to 600RPM
just to verify that it is possible. If it is possible, then I can
worry about
speeding it up automatically if things get hot.

Does anyone have any pointers?
 
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sometimes there is a
bios setting that enables
the high speed to stay
on continuously.

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M

mikeyhsd

Speed Fan Options button.
select the SPEED tab and adjust the min/max setting for the fans accordingly.
may work.


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I am pounding my head against the wall trying to
get speedfan to slow my chassis fan from 1000 RPM
to a quieter 600-800 RPM. The whole system is very
cool; CPU temp at idle is 21C and at full load is 40C.
GPU temp is around 47C. There is *no* need for the
exhaust fan to run at 1000 RPM.

I am using an ASUS M3N78-EMH HDMI mobo with ASUS Q-Fan for controlling
the
speed of the CPU fan. The thing is cooled with a Scythe Ninja and I'm
rather
tempted to disconnect the CPU fan and plug the case fan into the CPU
fan header.
But if it's possible to slow things down with speedfan, I'd rather do
that instead.

I'm baffled by the zillions of controls and the lack of documentation.
At this point all I want to do is slow down the fan manually to 600RPM
just to verify that it is possible. If it is possible, then I can
worry about
speeding it up automatically if things get hot.

Does anyone have any pointers?
 
P

Paul

Norman said:
I am pounding my head against the wall trying to
get speedfan to slow my chassis fan from 1000 RPM
to a quieter 600-800 RPM. The whole system is very
cool; CPU temp at idle is 21C and at full load is 40C.
GPU temp is around 47C. There is *no* need for the
exhaust fan to run at 1000 RPM.

I am using an ASUS M3N78-EMH HDMI mobo with ASUS Q-Fan for controlling
the
speed of the CPU fan. The thing is cooled with a Scythe Ninja and I'm
rather
tempted to disconnect the CPU fan and plug the case fan into the CPU
fan header.
But if it's possible to slow things down with speedfan, I'd rather do
that instead.

I'm baffled by the zillions of controls and the lack of documentation.
At this point all I want to do is slow down the fan manually to 600RPM
just to verify that it is possible. If it is possible, then I can
worry about
speeding it up automatically if things get hot.

Does anyone have any pointers?

Disable Asus Q-Fan and try Speedfan again. The
two control methods may be using the same registers
for control.

Swapping case fan for CPU fan is not recommended. Many
case fans are two wire and lack the third (RPM) signal. The motherboard
BIOS will do a check for an RPM signal during POST, and the
BIOS can turn the computer off if none is found. Having the
BIOS check for a CPU RPM signal, is a slightly useful function,
and may alert you when the fan needs maintenance/cleaning/oiling.

There is a lower limit on measured fan speed. Once the fan speed
drops below a magic threshold, the chip doing the measurement
will read "0". The reason for this, is the chip doing the measurement,
measures the period between pulses, using a register with a
relatively small number of bits. When the register overflows,
the software doesn't know whether the RPMs are 500RPM or zero.
So zero is reported instead. On one of my older motherboards,
that threshold value is 1800RPM. Motherboard makers have
been reducing the threshold value, to be more in tune with
modern low-RPM fans, but there is still a limit to how low
they can go before zero is reported.

Paul
 
I

Ian D

Norman Ramsey said:
I am pounding my head against the wall trying to
get speedfan to slow my chassis fan from 1000 RPM
to a quieter 600-800 RPM. The whole system is very
cool; CPU temp at idle is 21C and at full load is 40C.
GPU temp is around 47C. There is *no* need for the
exhaust fan to run at 1000 RPM.

I am using an ASUS M3N78-EMH HDMI mobo with ASUS Q-Fan for controlling
the
speed of the CPU fan. The thing is cooled with a Scythe Ninja and I'm
rather
tempted to disconnect the CPU fan and plug the case fan into the CPU
fan header.
But if it's possible to slow things down with speedfan, I'd rather do
that instead.

I'm baffled by the zillions of controls and the lack of documentation.
At this point all I want to do is slow down the fan manually to 600RPM
just to verify that it is possible. If it is possible, then I can
worry about
speeding it up automatically if things get hot.

Does anyone have any pointers?

It sounds to me that your CPU temp is about 20C too low. A temp
of 21C is close to what an average room temp is. Your GPU temp
is 47C, which with an idle CPU temp of 40C would be a good normal
combination. A full load CPU temp of 60C would also be normal. For
a CPU temp of 21C, your room temp would have to be less than 10C,
even if you had the best CPU cooler available, but then your GPU
temp would be a lot lower than 47C.
 
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William R. Walsh

Hi!
There is *no* need for the exhaust fan to run at 1000 RPM.

There's the problem that you run into as a motherboard maker. Do you run the
fans as slowly as you can, or do you try to make sure that pretty much any
fan will actually run and move enough air to be helpful? You can't possibly
cover all the fans and case designs there are, so some error on the side of
caution happens.
But if it's possible to slow things down with speedfan, I'd rather do
that instead.

It *might* be. The manual for my Asus M2A-VM board says that only the CPU
fan may be adjusted through Q-Fan control. Even though the ITE LPCIO would
happily control about six thousand fans (exaggeration, but you get my
point), Asus only implemented control of *one*. It baffles me.
I'm baffled by the zillions of controls and the lack of documentation.

It becomes less baffling when you think about how many different hardware
monitor ICs there are. And there are a lot. Maxim-Dallas, SMSC, ITE, Analog
Devices, Myson Century, National Semiconductor and others all make them.
Each one works differently. I dare say that the author of SpeedFan had to
work from datasheets and end user reports for the ones he doesn't actually
have.

The first place to go--to see if you've even got a chance--is into the
Configuration dialog. Go to the Advanced tab, and find your hardware
monitor/fan controller in the list. Click on it. You get a list of options,
and it will vary depending upon what your motherboard actually supports.

WARNING: Seriously, read and heed this warning before you continue. Some
motherboard makers get really, uhm, creative with their implementation of
the fan control and temperature monitoring circuitry. This includes
programming them in ways that only make sense to the system BIOS. You may
find that you cannot effect any sort of change on your motherboard's fan
behavior. Or you may find that your motherboard behaves unexpectedly. Your
computer could crash while adjusting settings. Close all your programs, save
your data, and maybe even consider making a backup.

Personal experience says that if you see a sudden power-off when tinkering
in SpeedFan, it's because you've caused a thermal sensor to trip. This could
be the result of enabling a sensor that provides no meaningful reading, and
is "pegged" at the extreme ends of its range. This can make the board's BIOS
think it is seriously overheated.

You're looking for something along the lines of "PWM" or "Fan Control".
Whichever one you have will probably be set to something like "Auto",
"Thermal Cruise", "Controlled by Temperature x", "Manual" or "Disabled". Set
one to "manual" and check the "remember it" box. If your setting was
effective, you may hear a fan go full throttle.

Time to take the side off your case and see what effect the speed
spinbuttons have. Watch your fans while you run each one up and down. See if
you can slow, stop or speed them up. DO NOT leave fans stopped for any
length of time, especially CPU fans!

If you found that you can control your fans, you may be in luck. Now you
need to set up a baseline speed for them to run at. Just setting the speed
in the main SpeedFan window won't work--it won't remember them the next time
you reboot. Instead, you have to define a "configuration". This is done by
using the first few tabs in the Configure window. You'll probably be most
interested in the "Temperatures" and "Speeds" window. In Temperatures, you
can expand each temperature sensor and tell SpeedFan which temperature
reading will control which fan(s). You set a desired temperature, and a
warning temperature.

When you have that done, go over to the Speeds tab. Here you can set the
minimum (and maximum) speeds that a fan can achieve.

Hopefully that helps a bit.

William
 
O

Onsokumaru

Norman Ramsey said:
I am pounding my head against the wall trying to
get speedfan to slow my chassis fan from 1000 RPM
to a quieter 600-800 RPM. The whole system is very
cool; CPU temp at idle is 21C and at full load is 40C.
GPU temp is around 47C. There is *no* need for the
exhaust fan to run at 1000 RPM.

I am using an ASUS M3N78-EMH HDMI mobo with ASUS Q-Fan for controlling
the
speed of the CPU fan. The thing is cooled with a Scythe Ninja and I'm
rather
tempted to disconnect the CPU fan and plug the case fan into the CPU
fan header.
But if it's possible to slow things down with speedfan, I'd rather do
that instead.

I'm baffled by the zillions of controls and the lack of documentation.
At this point all I want to do is slow down the fan manually to 600RPM
just to verify that it is possible. If it is possible, then I can
worry about
speeding it up automatically if things get hot.

Does anyone have any pointers?

That information is on the speedfan site with a brief tutorial. You need to
poke around a bit. Maybe the FAQ.
 

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