For New Vista Users

[John]

I have a suggestion for new (and old) Vista users. My suggestion is also
directed to the PC manufacturers.

Most new PCs and laptops with Vista preinstalled also include all kinds of
OTHER software, usually trial versions or "helper" applications.
Do yourself a favor and delete most of those other trials and helpers. Every
time I have had Vista issues, I delete more of that junk and things get
better.

To the PC manufacturers.. Please STOP adding crap software to get extra
monies from software companies (Symantec and even MS Office trials). PLEASE
thoroughly test your own "helper applications" (my Lenovo software, being
well intended, was buggy) before making your customers beta testers. If you
want to give us choices of software to install, include a CD, but DON'T
preload it.

 

[Seven]

I have a suggestion for new (and old) Vista users. My suggestion is also
directed to the PC manufacturers.

Most new PCs and laptops with Vista preinstalled also include all kinds of
OTHER software, usually trial versions or "helper" applications.
Do yourself a favor and delete most of those other trials and helpers.
Every time I have had Vista issues, I delete more of that junk and things
get better.

To the PC manufacturers.. Please STOP adding crap software to get extra
monies from software companies (Symantec and even MS Office trials).
PLEASE thoroughly test your own "helper applications" (my Lenovo software,
being well intended, was buggy) before making your customers beta testers.
If you want to give us choices of software to install, include a CD, but
DON'T preload it.

Excellent suggestion.
But it was made years ago.

The vendors make money from it, so it likely wont end

 

[Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

"To the PC manufacturers..."
Your message is not likely getting to PC manufacturers.

Also, for the most part, the manufacturers are paid for installing the
programs.
The hope is customers will get used to a program and want to continue using
it and possibly get the pay versions.

Dell has been advertising some models with less of this junk ware.

Probably the best way to get a computer with less to to have it custom built
at a local shop.
Then when you get a computer the way you want, let the OEM know why you
bought from a competitor.
Let them know they are losing $ and to whom it is lost.

 

[Troy McClure]

or do what i do. boot right to the cd the very first time you power it on
and format/reinstall. problem solved and it takes maybe 30 mins

 

[John]

Troy, your solution is the best except for those new users who don't have
the technical skills required. Why should we pay for what we may not use and
could harm our computers? Why should we be required to reinstall what we
paid for to begin with? Did Lenovo say I was buying a computer with all this
other software? NO... they said Vista Business. False advertizing? Possibly.
This suggestion my be old but sometimes repetition has an effect... I can
only hope.

 

[DP]

Then what users should do is, upon first evidence that their computer isnt
working correctly because of conflicts among all the crap that's been
installed, they should take em back and insist that the vendor make it work
or give them their money back.

 

[Alias]

I have a suggestion for new (and old) Vista users. My suggestion is also
directed to the PC manufacturers.

Most new PCs and laptops with Vista preinstalled also include all kinds of
OTHER software, usually trial versions or "helper" applications.
Do yourself a favor and delete most of those other trials and helpers. Every
time I have had Vista issues, I delete more of that junk and things get
better.

To the PC manufacturers.. Please STOP adding crap software to get extra
monies from software companies (Symantec and even MS Office trials). PLEASE
thoroughly test your own "helper applications" (my Lenovo software, being
well intended, was buggy) before making your customers beta testers. If you
want to give us choices of software to install, include a CD, but DON'T
preload it.

You are assuming, incorrectly, that the major OEM vendors and major
software vendors care about their paying customers. The OEM computer
vendors don't make money selling a $499 desktop to you. They make their
money from the likes of Norton and McAfee who want to suck you in and
make you pay every month for a resource hungry POS.

Go to a small computer store; get them to build you a box to your specs
and, yeah, you'll have to pay a bit more but you will get better quality
and not have to be wasting time removing all the crap that Dell, HP,
Packard Smell, etc. load with their crappy PCs.

 

[Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

That will not always work.
OEM restore media may include all junk with no options.

 

[Don Wiss]

To the PC manufacturers.. Please STOP adding crap software to get extra
monies from software companies (Symantec and even MS Office trials).

There are some packages out there that will remove it for you. Here are
what I found on a search:

http://www.pcdecrapifier.com/download
http://www.ccleaner.com/

Don <www.donwiss.com> (e-mail link at home page bottom).

 

[Telstar]

"To the PC manufacturers..."
Your message is not likely getting to PC manufacturers.

Also, for the most part, the manufacturers are paid for installing the
programs.
The hope is customers will get used to a program and want to continue
using it and possibly get the pay versions.

Dell has been advertising some models with less of this junk ware.

Some Dell small business PCs are indicated to have no trialware. I have
bought such a system.

 

[NoStop]

"To the PC manufacturers..."
Your message is not likely getting to PC manufacturers.

Also, for the most part, the manufacturers are paid for installing the
programs.
The hope is customers will get used to a program and want to continue
using it and possibly get the pay versions.

Dell has been advertising some models with less of this junk ware.

Yes, it certainly has. It's now selling some models with Ubuntu installed.
That is the BEST way to make sure that all junkware is not installed.

Cheers.

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[John]

Yes, but what a waste of time and most likely a futile effort filled with
agravation. If one removes the crap before trouble starts, then that may be
the easiest solution... an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

 

[DP]

You're right, John. But as another poster said, not a lot of folks have the
knowledge to do that (which may be the reason they are buying from a vendor
who puts that crap on).
I found myself a trustworthy computer builder in upstate New York. I live in
La. We've never met or talked, except by email, and he's built three
computers for me. I will try to use him again next time I need a machine,
and stay away from the Dells, Gateways, Cyberpowers, etc.

 

[NotMe]

If your new machine comes with a REAL Windows disk, sure.
Most OEM machines come with a 'recovery' disk or a way to make a set of
recovery disks.
But they reinstall the crapware along with the OS.

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or do what i do. boot right to the cd the very first time you power it on
and format/reinstall. problem solved and it takes maybe 30 mins

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