Folder permissions

[Guest]

I have a file server that has a shared folder for everyone to access, Inside
the folder I have subfolders, inside these subfolders, there are more folders
that everyone has write access, I need to prevent them from moving these
folders, but still allow them to create them. It is on an NTFS volume.

Share1 - (read/list folder contents)
|
SubFolder1 (inside this folder, allow to create folders, but not move
folders inside each other)
|
|-FolderA - allowed to create this, but not move it
|-FolderB - allowed to create this, but not move it
|-Folder... - allowed to create this, but not move it

Is there a way to do this? Any help would be appreciated

 

[Jerold Schulman]

I have a file server that has a shared folder for everyone to access, Inside
the folder I have subfolders, inside these subfolders, there are more folders
that everyone has write access, I need to prevent them from moving these
folders, but still allow them to create them. It is on an NTFS volume.

Share1 - (read/list folder contents)
|
SubFolder1 (inside this folder, allow to create folders, but not move
folders inside each other)
|
|-FolderA - allowed to create this, but not move it
|-FolderB - allowed to create this, but not move it
|-Folder... - allowed to create this, but not move it

Is there a way to do this? Any help would be appreciated

Do not grant delete permissions on the folders.
A move is a delete and add, do not granting delete will accomplish this.

 

[Guest]

Does this prevent them from dragging and creating duplicates by accidentally
dragging the folder into another folder?

 

[Jerold Schulman]

Does this prevent them from dragging and creating duplicates by accidentally
dragging the folder into another folder?

It prevents moving, not copying, but I thought a drag was a move?

 

[Guest]

I wasn't sure if dragging was a copy or a move, just wanted to check to see,
since they cannot delete it, just wanted to make sure that by dragging it it
didn't just copy the directory, creating duplicates.

 

[R. C. White]

Hi, Frank.

Dragging can be EITHER a copy or a move. It's your choice.

Dragging with the left mouse button performs a default action: dragging to
a different location on the same volume causes a Move; dragging to a
different volume causes a Copy.

Dragging with the right mouse button causes a context menu to pop up from
which you can choose Copy or Move.

This is all in Start | Help and Support, of course. But maybe servers are
different; all I know about are Pro and Home editions.

RC

 

[Guest]

I understand that on the same volume it is a move. I wasn't sure by
preventing deletion, if it did a copy to the new folder instead, or if it
just gave an access denied error.

Thanks,

Frank

 

[R. C. White]

Hi, Frank.

A Move on the same volume doesn't actually move anything. The file contents
are not touched. Only the directory entry pointing to that location gets
written into the new directory. The old directory entry is "deleted".

In FAT, a directory entry is "deleted" by changing the first character of
the filename (to E5h, as I recall, but it's been a long time), and changing
all the FAT cluster entries for this file to "00", indicating that the
cluster is available for use by another file. In a Move, of course, those
same clusters are immediately marked in the new directory entry as used by
the same file. (I've not learned much about how Moves are handled in NTFS,
but there are plenty of gurus here who can tell us both.)

In a Copy - to a different volume or to a different file in the same
volume - the old file contents are not touched; a copy of those file
contents are written to the new location; the new directory entry is
written; the old entry is not deleted.

But I don't know how permissions are affected. It seems you and Jerold are
discussing some aspects of the question that are over my head, so I'll bow
out at this point. I'm a one-man, one-computer kind of guy with no net but
the Internet. I know about Copy and Move, so I responded to your remark
that "I thought a drag was a move?", but I know nothing of permissions.

RC

 

[Jerold Schulman]

Try settiing Deny delete on "this Folder only"

I understand that on the same volume it is a move. I wasn't sure by
preventing deletion, if it did a copy to the new folder instead, or if it
just gave an access denied error.

Thanks,

Frank