Firefox 1.5.03 release.

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Not true. OE is a mail AND news client. Top posting and other problems
you mention are a problem with the poster, not with outlokk express.
Npt at all. You can also top post with gravity or agent. And tell me
HOW is not OE a NNTP client if it communicates with a news server in a
standard way? (yes it's communication IS standard, and there is nothing
wrong with it)
 
Not true. OE is a mail AND news client. Top posting and other problems
you mention are a problem with the poster, not with outlokk express.
Npt at all. You can also top post with gravity or agent. And tell me
HOW is not OE a NNTP client if it communicates with a news server in a
standard way? (yes it's communication IS standard, and there is nothing
wrong with it)
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As I said, sticking nntp onto a mail client no more makes it a news
client than Google's existence makes Firefox a news client. The fact
that a program can do something due to something being stuck on it as
an afterthought doesn't change what it is.
 
Oh, I see you are not very technically minded (and very prejudiced).

A client is a program that uses some protocol to communicate with a
server in a standard way. OE communicates with a newsserver: It shakes
hands to connect. Then it downloads the headers and stores them in a
database placed on c:\document and settings\username\application
data\outlook express...

Then it downloads the bodies . Everything according to the NNTP
protocol using ISO standard. Well, if this is not a nes client, then
nor is Forté agent either. They both do the same thing.
 
Oh, I see you are not very technically minded
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No, just an EE and systems analyst for 30 years - no technical
knowledge at all.

Try again - your telepathy module seems to be missing.
 
No, just an EE and systems analyst for 30 years - no technical
knowledge at all.
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Oh, and you don't know sh*t about server/clients? I won't hire you in my
company even if you pay me :-)
 
It's a mail client with nntp handling added on as an afterthought. The
metaphor is still commercial mail, not news, which is why so many OE
(and Outlook) posts look so wrong (top posting, html, no trimming
...).
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This doesn't change the fact that technically it's a NNTP client,
although in your opinion it doesn't have the features of a well written
NNTP client. I do agree with the bad functionality but as I said,
technically it's a mail client as well as a NNTP client. Your opinion
about how it _should_ be doesn't change that.
 
No, I write client/server software without knowing anything about it.
I'm *that* good.
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Well, you should then know that OE **IS*** a NNTP, POIP2, POP3 and IMAP
client then. Good or bad, but it is a client.
 
Well, you should then know that OE **IS*** a NNTP, POIP2, POP3 and IMAP
client then. Good or bad, but it is a client.
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That would make IE a database client - which it isn't.
 
Al said:
That would make IE a database client - which it isn't.
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Al, let up.

OE _is_ an NNTP and email client. It's just a bloody bad one, that's all.

But it isn't an X client, and never claimed to be. Which is just as
relevant as it not being a DB client. Which it isn't. Or being a 3270
emulator.

Cheers,
Gary B-)
 
Gary said:
Al, let up.

OE _is_ an NNTP and email client. It's just a bloody bad one, that's all.

But it isn't an X client, and never claimed to be. Which is just as
relevant as it not being a DB client. Which it isn't. Or being a 3270
emulator.

Cheers,
Gary B-)
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Yup;

That's my read on it. Back to you, Al. <grin>

-Craig
 
Gary R. Schmidt said:
Al Klein wrote:
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OE _is_ an NNTP and email client. It's just a bloody bad one, that's all.
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Of course it is. Not as bad a Mozilla's one, but not the best, of course.
But it IS a NNTP client. It's not a bicycle for all I know.
 
Hansen said:
Of course it is. Not as bad a Mozilla's one, but not the best, of course.
But it IS a NNTP client. It's not a bicycle for all I know.
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Posting from Mozilla, I can't resist:

What makes Mozilla's nntp client bad?

tia,
-Craig
 
Craig said:
Posting from Mozilla, I can't resist:

What makes Mozilla's nntp client bad?
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Also posting from Moz - what's so bad?

Not that Mozilla is perfect, but I've not had the time to write _the_
perfect one. :-) And Moz is the only cross-platform one that _I_ like.
(Yes, I _know_ there are others, but I _don't_ like them. Please
learn to read).

Cheers,
Gary B-)
 
Craig said:
Posting from Mozilla, I can't resist:

What makes Mozilla's nntp client bad?

tia,
-Craig
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Sorry for reposting but I'd like to understand what makes Mozilla's nntp
client a "bad" one. I understand the opinion: I'm trying to get the
reasoning behind it. Is it, for example, somehow non-compliant? Or are
there "key features" missing or is it something about the UI?

tia,
-Craig
 
Sorry for reposting but I'd like to understand what makes
Mozilla's nntp client a "bad" one. I understand the opinion: I'm
trying to get the reasoning behind it.
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Good luck extracting information from a skirmish in the browser
wars. ;)
Is it, for example, somehow non-compliant?
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No. But the version you're using does have an annoying bug which
causes it to add blank lines to the blocks of quoted text it sends.
(If you are using the default view, with vertical lines to indicate
quote levels, you don't see the extra lines.) This has been fixed;
Thunderbird 1.5.x doesn't do it, and I think the latest Seamonkey
doesn't either.
Or are there "key features" missing or is it something about the UI?
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For me, it's the relatively weak filtering capability which is the main
feature lack.
 
Hansen said:
or the knowledge for that matter ;-)
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Knowledge?!?! Who needs knowledge? I just read the source code for
slrn, Moz, Pan, [t]rn, etcetera, and pick the bits I want. :->

Cheers,
Gary B-)
 
Gary R. Schmidt said:
Knowledge?!?! Who needs knowledge? I just read the source code for slrn,
Moz, Pan, [t]rn, etcetera, and pick the bits I want. :->
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And you think you will end up with good working code with that mess? Good
luck :-)
 
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