Film Scanner Settings

D

Dave

Can anybody give me some advice on film scanner settings? I'm about
to start a big project and I want to do it right.

I have a Nikon Coolscan IV ED film scanner, NikonScan 4 software, an
old, crummy computer monitor, and about 1500 35mm slides that I want
to digitize before they rot away. My goal is to have all the slides
scanned into my computer and burned onto CDs or DVDs so I can display
slide shows on both my monitor and my TV set.

What settings for resolution, color space, brightness, etc. should I
use on the film scanner so the scanned images will be compatible with
both the monitor and the TV? So far, the images I've scanned look
very, very dark on the monitor even though downloaded and website
images look just fine. Is the problem with the scanner, the software
or my monitor? Is there a set of standard, archival settings for
scanning images that I should use?

The one or two times I've tried to view digital images on my TV set
they didn't look very good at all. Poor resolution and a shimmering
effect. What equipment do I need to make that work?

Many thanks in advance,
Dave
 
K

Kennedy McEwen

Dave said:
Can anybody give me some advice on film scanner settings? I'm about
to start a big project and I want to do it right.

I have a Nikon Coolscan IV ED film scanner, NikonScan 4 software, an
old, crummy computer monitor, and about 1500 35mm slides that I want
to digitize before they rot away. My goal is to have all the slides
scanned into my computer and burned onto CDs or DVDs so I can display
slide shows on both my monitor and my TV set.

What settings for resolution, color space, brightness, etc. should I
use on the film scanner so the scanned images will be compatible with
both the monitor and the TV? So far, the images I've scanned look
very, very dark on the monitor even though downloaded and website
images look just fine. Is the problem with the scanner, the software
or my monitor? Is there a set of standard, archival settings for
scanning images that I should use?

The one or two times I've tried to view digital images on my TV set
they didn't look very good at all. Poor resolution and a shimmering
effect. What equipment do I need to make that work?
Taking these one at a time...

Best settings etc. Well its up to you really, however even though your
monitor probably can't display more than 1024x768 pixels and your TV a
measly 640x480 I would scan and archive at the resolution limits of the
scanner. Who knows what display technology you will have in a couple of
years time and you might want to print several images too. Unless you
want to undertake this medium sized task all over again then do it right
the first time. In your case, 2900ppi is the native scanner resolution
and you will get a maximum image size of 4203x2870 pixels with the MA-20
slide holder. Save the high resolution scans in tiff format (definitely
NOT jpeg, which is lossy), which will result in each slide taking up
around 34Mb of disk space if stored at 8bits per channel.

The colorspace I would recommend for archiving is either Adobe RGB(1998)
or RAW. However, to display on your monitor as a web image you will
need to use sRGB, unless you use a MAC, when you should use AppleRGB. To
display on your TV you should use NTSC(1953) colourspace.

Obviously, that means at least three separate versions of the image to
get the optimum, but there are a couple of compromises. You can select
one of these colorspaces and accept that it will not display with the
full saturation or gamut on the other media. Alternatively, since you
probably need three resolutions in any case, archive the slides in Adobe
RGB or raw and then resize and convert them to the required resolution
and colorspace for your monitor and TV using an imaging application like
PS Elements or Photoshop. Store the monitor and TV copies, either on
the same CD as the archives or on a specific CD for each type. You will
need many CDs and/or DVDs to store 1500 slides at full resolution, but
could probably fit most of them on one or two discs for both monitor and
TV display.

Now, getting the optimum scan. First you need to get your monitor set
up pretty well, and there are a couple of web based tools that will
allow you to do this. As a start, open Nikonscan and go to the
Preferences section. Under colour management, switch Nikon Colour
Management off. Then go to Gamma and select the gamma for your system -
PCs use 2.2, Macs use 1.8. Then adjust the brightness (not the
contrast) of the screen until the hashed areas have the same brightness
as the solid greys. When that is done, go back to colour management and
enable Nikon Colour Management, making sure you have the colorspace you
want selected under RGB.

Make sure that you have autoexposure and autofocus switched on under
Preferences|Single scan. If you are going to scan film strips make sure
the same setting is used for Batch scan as well. Take a slide which has
a reasonable amount of pure white and pure black in it and preview that.
The autoexposure should result in a scan which is pretty well exposed
but, to be sure, look carefully at the histogram in the Curves Palette.
The histogram should extend from 0 to 255. If you find that the white
is clipped at a level significantly below 255 then adjust the exposure
and preview again to bring the clipped level closer to that value, but
don't exceed it. If there is a lot of saturation at 255 then adjust the
exposure and preview again. If you notice two or three spikes, look at
the histograms of the individual colours and adjust the exposure for
these colours accordingly to get something close to 255 in each one.

Having achieved a reasonable exposure, select an area of the preview
using the crop tool which includes most of the image (certainly the near
black and white areas) but none of the slide mount. Then return to the
curves window and click on the autocontrast icon (circle with half
white, half black) and this should return the curves window
automatically to the RGB view and adjust the histogram levels to almost
exactly the full 0 to 255 range. However you might want to adjust
manually the upper and lower ranges in each colour to reduce the slight
clipping that inevitably results. The idea is to get the black and
white points set to exactly where black and white lie in the image.

Having done all of that, select your crop to exactly the area you want
for all future scans, and select the ICE, GEM & ROC setting you desire,
together with 8-bit depth. Save the setting under the "Settings" menu
to a name you will remember and also "Set User Settings", which will
save these settings as your defaults for subsequent scans.

That should get you pretty close to optimum scans, so try a couple of
images to begin with. If there is a slight residual colour cast, then
look for an area that you know is neutral mid-grey in an image and use
the grey dropper in the Curves Palette to select it in the preview. This
should take out any "slope variation" in the film dye transmission that
might exist between the broad spectrum that your eyes see and the narrow
spectrum that the LEDs see. When you are happy, save the setting and
Set User Setting.

You should be ready to go for 1500 scans now, but depending on what mix
of film and age they are you might need to revisit the settings and save
new settings for specific films. Remember to use the Kodachrome setting
if you are using KC emulsion - which will almost certainly require fine
adjustment of the Curves for every batch of film. You might also
experiment with the other settings for colour balance or saturation
(chroma in the LCH palette), and Unsharp Mask, but to be honest you
shouldn't need to adjust these at all, particularly fro your archive
scans.

Good luck.
 
R

Robert Feinman

vance8005 said:
Can anybody give me some advice on film scanner settings? I'm about
to start a big project and I want to do it right.

I have a Nikon Coolscan IV ED film scanner, NikonScan 4 software, an
old, crummy computer monitor, and about 1500 35mm slides that I want
to digitize before they rot away. My goal is to have all the slides
scanned into my computer and burned onto CDs or DVDs so I can display
slide shows on both my monitor and my TV set.

What settings for resolution, color space, brightness, etc. should I
use on the film scanner so the scanned images will be compatible with
both the monitor and the TV? So far, the images I've scanned look
very, very dark on the monitor even though downloaded and website
images look just fine. Is the problem with the scanner, the software
or my monitor? Is there a set of standard, archival settings for
scanning images that I should use?

The one or two times I've tried to view digital images on my TV set
they didn't look very good at all. Poor resolution and a shimmering
effect. What equipment do I need to make that work?

Many thanks in advance,
Dave
Start by reading the scantips.com web site for lots of good advice.
 
D

Dave

Wow! Thank you very much! I just printed out your comments and I'll
attempt to follow your advice this afternoon.

Dave
 
W

Wilfred van der Vegte

Kennedy said:
The colorspace I would recommend for archiving is either Adobe RGB(1998)
or RAW. However, to display on your monitor as a web image you will
need to use sRGB, unless you use a MAC, when you should use AppleRGB.

This is not true: for web display on a Mac, you can use sRGB.
To
display on your TV you should use NTSC(1953) colourspace.

Most DVD players capable of reading and displaying JPEGs on a TV seem to
assume that the images are in sRGB mode. At least in my experience, sRGB
works fine in this case, too.
 
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Dave

Most DVD players capable of reading and displaying JPEGs on a TV seem to
assume that the images are in sRGB mode. At least in my experience, sRGB
works fine in this case, too.


I tried displaying some JPEGs on my TV with my DVD player. It worked,
but the images were very poor. How did you do it?
 
D

Dave

Kennedy,

Thanks again. Your advice helped a lot. I can tell you really know
this stuff.

A couple of quick questions....

When you say "adjust the exposure," do you mean with Analog Gain or is
there some other way?

The histogram changes dramatically depending on whether Digital ROC
and Digital GEM are enabled. With them enabled, the histogram is much
closer to the way you said it should be. Nevertheless, should I leave
them off and make major adjustments or can I leave them on and make
only minor adjustments, or does it matter?

Cheers,
Dave
 
K

Kennedy McEwen

Dave said:
When you say "adjust the exposure," do you mean with Analog Gain or is
there some other way?
Yes, I should have been clearer. Analogue Gain is a bit of a misnomer
because it actually changes the CCD exposure. There really is no user
accessible true analogue gain adjustment on these scanners.
The histogram changes dramatically depending on whether Digital ROC
and Digital GEM are enabled. With them enabled, the histogram is much
closer to the way you said it should be. Nevertheless, should I leave
them off and make major adjustments or can I leave them on and make
only minor adjustments, or does it matter?
Personally, I find ROC produces over-saturated images, even on the
minimum setting, from normal slides and negatives. It is supposed to be
used for film that has seriously faded colour, but it also restores the
white balance and enhances the colour saturation, so it can be used with
normal film if the results are to your liking. Since I think it is a
bit fierce, I leave it off for normal film, which cuts down the
post-scan processing time a little. I haven't experimented enough with
ROC to tell if it could be left on and give as consistent results as
setting the default levels manually. They are both post-process
adjustments of the digital data so the overall difference in image
quality is probably marginal either way, its just a matter of
consistency.

GEM is different however, since their is no way of implementing this
with alternate palette settings. It is useful for reducing the
visibility of grain and I use this most of the time at level 1 or 2 for
fine grain film like Velvia. GEM makes a huge impact to the
post-processing time though, so if I can get away without it I do switch
it off.
 
K

Kennedy McEwen

Wilfred van der Vegte said:
This is not true: for web display on a Mac, you can use sRGB.
You are almost certainly right for a web image, I haven't used a Mac for
web work and, in truth don't use them much at all.

However the default gamma for a Mac is 1.8, whilst the gamma in sRGB is
2.2. So the difference on some applications is dramatic, with the image
appearing much lighter on a Mac than Windows, which uses sRGB by
default.
Most DVD players capable of reading and displaying JPEGs on a TV seem
to assume that the images are in sRGB mode. At least in my experience,
sRGB works fine in this case, too.
Well the TV output from my PC's video card (nVidia) certainly produces
much better matched colours to those on the monitor from the same card
when the TV image is using NTSC(1953) colorspace. Since I can
physically sit the TV and monitor next to each other and drag images
across the worktop from one display to the other, the effect is *very*
clear indeed.
 
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Wilfred van der Vegte

Dave said:
I tried displaying some JPEGs on my TV with my DVD player. It worked,
but the images were very poor. How did you do it?

I converted them to sRGB color in Photoshop, downsampled them to about
800 pixels wide and app,lied unsharp masking. Of course you can never
expect the same quality as you have on a computer monitor.
 
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Wilfred van der Vegte

Kennedy said:
Well the TV output from my PC's video card (nVidia) certainly produces
much better matched colours to those on the monitor from the same card
when the TV image is using NTSC(1953) colorspace. Since I can
physically sit the TV and monitor next to each other and drag images
across the worktop from one display to the other, the effect is *very*
clear indeed.

You are certainly right if you use the TV as a computer monitor. BTW,
for on-US TVs, a different color space may apply. AFAIK, here in Europe,
PAL also has its own color space, which is a bit more recent than 1953;-)
 
K

Kennedy McEwen

Wilfred van der Vegte said:
You are certainly right if you use the TV as a computer monitor. BTW,
for on-US TVs, a different color space may apply. AFAIK, here in
Europe, PAL also has its own color space, which is a bit more recent
than 1953;-)
Formally the UV axes of PAL are rotated 33deg with respect to the IQ
axes of NTSC. However, according to Philips video encoding technical
handbook, since both colour spaces are restricted to circular UV planes,
due to limitations of the UV/IQ encoding schemes, rather than the full
square plane, this difference becomes irrelevant and the colour space
described is exactly the same.

PAL is merely a derivation of the NTSC coding method designed to achieve
a colour balance which is more robust to multipath artefacts than NTSC
was.

Most old analogue video engineers remember the different systems as
NTSC: Never Twice Same Colour
SECAM: Sometimes Even Colour Appears, Momentarily
System Essentially Contrary to American Method
PAL: Perhaps Almost Lifelike
Perfect At Last!

;-)
 
D

Dave

Many thanks again. I'm starting to get some decent scans, although
everything is still pretty dark and I have to use the Brightness
slider in Color Balance to lighten things up.
 

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