File Names Not Sorted Properly In File List

[Mike Brock]

When I open a folder with a list of files for all View Options, the files are
not listed in proper ascending sequence. I indexed the files to make sure
that indexing may not be the factor in the Sort By Name not working properly.
After the files were indexed, clicked the Sort By Name item in the View menu
item, and the files are stilled not sorted porperly. Has anyone encountered
this similar problem ?? I suspect this may be a bug in Windows Vista File
System. The folder had 87 files in it.

 

[Dave]

I've seen no problems with sorting by Name.
Can you give some examples of the file names?

Indexing has nothing to do with it, AFAIK.

 

[Mike Brock]

Dave or any one else

Here is the problem with the sorting of file names:

1. If the file name is alaphabetic only, the sort works OK.

2. If the file name is alaphanumeric with a-z A-Z and 0-9
characters, the name is sorted in the following order by:

a. Name Length
b. Name Content

instead by Name Content only.

3. For example, file names A, A1, A2, A11 and B are sorted in the following
order of the form:

Actual Order Correct Order
----------------------------------
A - 1 byte A - 1 byte
A1 - 2 byte A1 - 2 byte
A2 - 2 byte A11 - 3 byte
A11 - 3 byte A2 - 2 byte
B - 1 byte B - 1 byte

Could U or someone try create the above dummy files with the above names to
see
if the problem can be duplicated. If the problem is duplicated, let me know.
The problem needs to reported as a bug report to Microsoft.

--
Thank U. God bless U...Mike

I've seen no problems with sorting by Name.
Can you give some examples of the file names?

Indexing has nothing to do with it, AFAIK.

 

[Dave]

Mike,

I tried your example, and it works like you said. I don't know if this is
"right" or "wrong".
However, I imagine that it "works as designed", since 2 comes before 11.
As someone noted in another thread, Vista treats the filenames by sorting
the alphabetic & numeric characters separately.
If you rename A2 to AA2, it will move below A11

Dave or any one else

Here is the problem with the sorting of file names:

1. If the file name is alaphabetic only, the sort works OK.

2. If the file name is alaphanumeric with a-z A-Z and 0-9
characters, the name is sorted in the following order by:

a. Name Length
b. Name Content

instead by Name Content only.

3. For example, file names A, A1, A2, A11 and B are sorted in the
following
order of the form:

Actual Order Correct Order
----------------------------------
A - 1 byte A - 1 byte
A1 - 2 byte A1 - 2 byte
A2 - 2 byte A11 - 3 byte
A11 - 3 byte A2 - 2 byte
B - 1 byte B - 1 byte

Could U or someone try create the above dummy files with the above names
to
see
if the problem can be duplicated. If the problem is duplicated, let me
know.
The problem needs to reported as a bug report to Microsoft.

 

[R. C. White]

Hi, Mike.

Have a look at this KB article:
The sort order for files and folders whose names contain numerals is
different in Windows Vista, Windows XP, and Windows Server 2003 than it is
in Windows 2000
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/319827

RC
--
R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX
(e-mail address removed)
Microsoft Windows MVP
(Running Windows Live Mail 2008 in Vista Ultimate x64 SP1)

 

[Mike Brock]

R C White:

OK, from http://Support.Microsoft.KB/319827 which documents how to make
Vista use
Windows 2K sort method for file names, I have another problem.

In the document, the registry keys to modify the sort method are:

1.
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\Currentversion\Policies\Explorer\NoStrCmpLogical
2.
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\Currentversion\Policies\Explorer\NoStrCmpLogical

In Windows Vista, the current key structures are:

1a. HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\Currentversion\Explorer
<---- Same Level
1b. HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\Currentversion\Policies
<---- Same Level

2a. HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\Currentversion\Explorer
<---- Same Level
2b. HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\Currentversion\Policies
<---- Same Level

Note that in Vista, Explorer and Policies keys are in the SAME lavel which
differs in
structure as one described in the KB/319827 document. Need more clarification
on how to modify the Registry Keys for the file sort policies.

Can U guys help me on this matter ??

 

[R. C. White]

Hi, Mike.

Sorry, but I can't tell you how to modify the sort because I never tried to
do that. I just learned to live with the new method. ;^}

RC
--
R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX
(e-mail address removed)
Microsoft Windows MVP
(Running Windows Live Mail 2008 in Vista Ultimate x64 SP1)

 

[Keith Miller \(MVP\)]

You need to create the 'Explorer' subkey under 'Policies' before you can
create your policy values. Right-click on the 'Policies' key, then select
New -> Key.

The entries under '...CurrentVersion\Explorer' are unrelated to your
endeavor.


--
Good Luck,

Keith
Microsoft MVP [Windows Shell/User]

R C White:

OK, from http://Support.Microsoft.KB/319827 which documents how to make
Vista use
Windows 2K sort method for file names, I have another problem.

In the document, the registry keys to modify the sort method are:

1.
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\Currentversion\Policies\Explorer\NoStrCmpLogical
2.
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\Currentversion\Policies\Explorer\NoStrCmpLogical

In Windows Vista, the current key structures are:

1a. HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\Currentversion\Explorer
<---- Same Level
1b. HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\Currentversion\Policies
<---- Same Level

2a. HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\Currentversion\Explorer
<---- Same Level
2b. HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\Currentversion\Policies
<---- Same Level

Note that in Vista, Explorer and Policies keys are in the SAME lavel which
differs in
structure as one described in the KB/319827 document. Need more
clarification
on how to modify the Registry Keys for the file sort policies.

Can U guys help me on this matter ??

 

[Mike Brock]

Thank U!!! The fix WORKED. God bless U...Mike

You need to create the 'Explorer' subkey under 'Policies' before you can
create your policy values. Right-click on the 'Policies' key, then select
New -> Key.

The entries under '...CurrentVersion\Explorer' are unrelated to your
endeavor.


--
Good Luck,

Keith
Microsoft MVP [Windows Shell/User]

 

[Keith Miller \(MVP\)]

You're welcome. Glad to help.


--
Good Luck,

Keith
Microsoft MVP [Windows Shell/User]

Thank U!!! The fix WORKED. God bless U...Mike

You need to create the 'Explorer' subkey under 'Policies' before you can
create your policy values. Right-click on the 'Policies' key, then
select
New -> Key.

The entries under '...CurrentVersion\Explorer' are unrelated to your
endeavor.


--
Good Luck,

Keith
Microsoft MVP [Windows Shell/User]

R C White:

OK, from http://Support.Microsoft.KB/319827 which documents how to make
Vista use
Windows 2K sort method for file names, I have another problem.

In the document, the registry keys to modify the sort method are:

1.
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\Currentversion\Policies\Explorer\NoStrCmpLogical
2.
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\Currentversion\Policies\Explorer\NoStrCmpLogical

In Windows Vista, the current key structures are:

1a.
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\Currentversion\Explorer
<---- Same Level
1b.
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\Currentversion\Policies
<---- Same Level

2a.
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\Currentversion\Explorer
<---- Same Level
2b.
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\Currentversion\Policies
<---- Same Level

Note that in Vista, Explorer and Policies keys are in the SAME lavel
which
differs in
structure as one described in the KB/319827 document. Need more
clarification
on how to modify the Registry Keys for the file sort policies.

Can U guys help me on this matter ??

--
Thank U. God bless U...Mike



:

Hi, Mike.

Have a look at this KB article:
The sort order for files and folders whose names contain numerals is
different in Windows Vista, Windows XP, and Windows Server 2003 than
it
is
in Windows 2000
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/319827

RC
--
R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX
(e-mail address removed)
Microsoft Windows MVP
(Running Windows Live Mail 2008 in Vista Ultimate x64 SP1)

Dave or any one else

Here is the problem with the sorting of file names:

1. If the file name is alaphabetic only, the sort works OK.

2. If the file name is alaphanumeric with a-z A-Z and 0-9
characters, the name is sorted in the following order by:

a. Name Length
b. Name Content

instead by Name Content only.

3. For example, file names A, A1, A2, A11 and B are sorted in the
following
order of the form:

Actual Order Correct Order
----------------------------------
A - 1 byte A - 1 byte
A1 - 2 byte A1 - 2 byte
A2 - 2 byte A11 - 3 byte
A11 - 3 byte A2 - 2 byte
B - 1 byte B - 1 byte

Could U or someone try create the above dummy files with the above
names
to
see
if the problem can be duplicated. If the problem is duplicated, let
me
know.
The problem needs to reported as a bug report to Microsoft.

--
Thank U. God bless U...Mike

:

I've seen no problems with sorting by Name.
Can you give some examples of the file names?

Indexing has nothing to do with it, AFAIK.


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When I open a folder with a list of files for all View Options,
the
files
are
not listed in proper ascending sequence. I indexed the files to
make
sure
that indexing may not be the factor in the Sort By Name not
working
properly.
After the files were indexed, clicked the Sort By Name item in
the
View
menu
item, and the files are stilled not sorted porperly. Has anyone
encountered
this similar problem ?? I suspect this may be a bug in Windows
Vista
File
System. The folder had 87 files in it.