Erasing HD - really erasing it.

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I understand that formatting a hard drive does not necessarily erase all
previous data. I have heard that there are utilities that "truly" erase an
entire hard drive... overwriting existing data with "X" and doing so
multiple times.

My question:
Where can I get such a utility? What would I google? When I did a search all
I got was commercial expensive stuff that seems overkill. Are there any free
such utilities?

Thanks.
 
Bob said:
I understand that formatting a hard drive does not necessarily
erase all previous data. I have heard that there are utilities that
"truly" erase an entire hard drive... overwriting existing data
with "X" and doing so multiple times.

My question:
Where can I get such a utility? What would I google? When I did a
search all I got was commercial expensive stuff that seems
overkill. Are there any free such utilities?

Well... The hard disk drive manufacturer's have utilities that will
overwrite the drive with 0's - multiple times.
Visit the web page for the hard drive manufacturer of your hard disk drive.

Also - there's Darik's Boot and Nuke:
http://dban.sourceforge.net/

Many other free drive wiping utilities.
 
Bob Johnson said:
I understand that formatting a hard drive does not necessarily erase all
previous data. I have heard that there are utilities that "truly" erase an
entire hard drive... overwriting existing data with "X" and doing so
multiple times.

My question:
Where can I get such a utility? What would I google? When I did a search
all I got was commercial expensive stuff that seems overkill. Are there
any free such utilities?

Thanks.

How you erase a hard drive depends on who may attempt to gather data from it
in the future. A quick format will simply reset the file table. A full
format will reset the file table and wipe the locations of any file data.
Generally this is good for most cases.

Erasing a partition and creating a new one resets the mbr. Creating a new
partition wipes any previous file table information of previous file
locations. The mbr is located in an area not accessible by a file table as
the mbr is not located in a partition, nor is it a file. This is like a
step up from a full format.

A no cost software comes from the hard drive manufacturer. Somewhere in
that stuff is the ability to writes zeroes to the hard drive including the
entire area where the mbr resides. Along the way, it may map out any bad
areas that aren't holding data properly. The new file table won't use those
mapped out areas for potential storage. Such software will also notify you
if the hard drive is becoming unusable or is unusable. Obviously a bit more
comprehensive and is free.

If you choose to do so, use the pay for hard drive erasing software for
overwrites to meet your security requirements.

A heavy magnet in the vicinity of the platters for a good amount of time may
remove any possbility of recovering any appreciable data. Anything beyond
that requires physically damaging the physical hard drive's platters.
Beyond that, a furnace capable of melting/burning the hard drive is
required.
Dave
 
Thanks for the comprehensive presentation of the options. What if melting
the hard drive down is insufficient? Is there some service for launching it
directly into the Sun? :-)
 
Lil' Dave said:
A quick format will simply reset the file table. A full
format will reset the file table and wipe the locations of any file data.

There is no different between quick and full, other than the full scans
for bad sectors. It doesn't wipe more sectors than the quick one.
Erasing a partition and creating a new one resets the mbr. Creating a new
partition wipes any previous file table information of previous file
locations. The mbr is located in an area not accessible by a file table as
the mbr is not located in a partition, nor is it a file. This is like a
step up from a full format.

From a recovery standpoint, repartitioning is the process which makes
less damage to the disk.
 
| Thanks for the comprehensive presentation of the options. What if melting
| the hard drive down is insufficient? Is there some service for launching
it
| directly into the Sun? :-)

Bob, sending 1 kilogram of anything (doesn't matter what) in the space will
cost more than 1 kilogram of gold. I'd recommend using "Thermite". It's much
affordable and it's fun ;-)

You can light it by an emergency red button on you computer. I watched that
clip somewhere, but I couldn't find it. Here is another one about destroying
a hard-disk with thermite.




| | > | >>I understand that formatting a hard drive does not necessarily erase all
| >>previous data. I have heard that there are utilities that "truly" erase
an
| >>entire hard drive... overwriting existing data with "X" and doing so
| >>multiple times.
| >>
| >> My question:
| >> Where can I get such a utility? What would I google? When I did a
search
| >> all I got was commercial expensive stuff that seems overkill. Are there
| >> any free such utilities?
| >>
| >> Thanks.
| >>
| >
| > How you erase a hard drive depends on who may attempt to gather data
from
| > it in the future. A quick format will simply reset the file table. A
| > full format will reset the file table and wipe the locations of any file
| > data. Generally this is good for most cases.
| >
| > Erasing a partition and creating a new one resets the mbr. Creating a
new
| > partition wipes any previous file table information of previous file
| > locations. The mbr is located in an area not accessible by a file table
| > as the mbr is not located in a partition, nor is it a file. This is
like
| > a step up from a full format.
| >
| > A no cost software comes from the hard drive manufacturer. Somewhere in
| > that stuff is the ability to writes zeroes to the hard drive including
the
| > entire area where the mbr resides. Along the way, it may map out any
bad
| > areas that aren't holding data properly. The new file table won't use
| > those mapped out areas for potential storage. Such software will also
| > notify you if the hard drive is becoming unusable or is unusable.
| > Obviously a bit more comprehensive and is free.
| >
| > If you choose to do so, use the pay for hard drive erasing software for
| > overwrites to meet your security requirements.
| >
| > A heavy magnet in the vicinity of the platters for a good amount of time
| > may remove any possbility of recovering any appreciable data. Anything
| > beyond that requires physically damaging the physical hard drive's
| > platters. Beyond that, a furnace capable of melting/burning the hard
drive
| > is required.
| > Dave
| >
|
|
 
Beyond that, a furnace capable of melting/burning the hard drive is
required.

Remove drive from computer, open hard drive case, take torch to
platters, wait till they are red hot, cool with water, repeat as many
times as needed to make you feel better.

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I understand that formatting a hard drive does not necessarily erase all
previous data. I have heard that there are utilities that "truly" erase an
entire hard drive... overwriting existing data with "X" and doing so
multiple times.

My question:
Where can I get such a utility? What would I google? When I did a search all
I got was commercial expensive stuff that seems overkill. Are there any free
such utilities?

Thanks.


I use BCWipe.On the web site it refers to 30-day trials of all their
software. But the version I have does everything I need and I haven't
been asked to pay for it.
 
I use BCWipe.On the web site it refers to 30-day trials of all their
software. But the version I have does everything I need and I haven't
been asked to pay for it.

If I were you I'd be afraid, very afraid. Who is to say that if you don't
pay, the software, instead of poping up a nice message stating that the
trial period has expired, instead just wipes out your hard drive? :-)
 
Thanks for the comprehensive presentation of the options. What if melting
the hard drive down is insufficient? Is there some service for launching it
directly into the Sun? :-)


Yes there is, but you can't afford it. ;-)
 
Lawyers wanting to make a buck.
Bob Johnson said:
If I were you I'd be afraid, very afraid. Who is to say that if you don't
pay, the software, instead of poping up a nice message stating that the
trial period has expired, instead just wipes out your hard drive? :-)
 
Unknown said:
Lawyers wanting to make a buck.


Well, isn't that it purpose?


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:
|
| > Thanks for the comprehensive presentation of the options. What if
melting
| > the hard drive down is insufficient? Is there some service for launching
it
| > directly into the Sun? :-)
|
|
| Yes there is, but you can't afford it. ;-)

What if he can and he does? If the data is that important, someone will
sabotage the flight, before it reaces the Sun and collect the hard disk ;-)

PS: this topic's became a good place to relax :-) I find it amusing!


|
| > | > > | > >>I understand that formatting a hard drive does not necessarily erase
all
| > >>previous data. I have heard that there are utilities that "truly"
erase an
| > >>entire hard drive... overwriting existing data with "X" and doing so
| > >>multiple times.
| > >>
| > >> My question:
| > >> Where can I get such a utility? What would I google? When I did a
search
| > >> all I got was commercial expensive stuff that seems overkill. Are
there
| > >> any free such utilities?
| > >>
| > >> Thanks.
| > >>
| > >
| > > How you erase a hard drive depends on who may attempt to gather data
from
| > > it in the future. A quick format will simply reset the file table. A
| > > full format will reset the file table and wipe the locations of any
file
| > > data. Generally this is good for most cases.
| > >
| > > Erasing a partition and creating a new one resets the mbr. Creating a
new
| > > partition wipes any previous file table information of previous file
| > > locations. The mbr is located in an area not accessible by a file
table
| > > as the mbr is not located in a partition, nor is it a file. This is
like
| > > a step up from a full format.
| > >
| > > A no cost software comes from the hard drive manufacturer. Somewhere
in
| > > that stuff is the ability to writes zeroes to the hard drive including
the
| > > entire area where the mbr resides. Along the way, it may map out any
bad
| > > areas that aren't holding data properly. The new file table won't use
| > > those mapped out areas for potential storage. Such software will also
| > > notify you if the hard drive is becoming unusable or is unusable.
| > > Obviously a bit more comprehensive and is free.
| > >
| > > If you choose to do so, use the pay for hard drive erasing software
for
| > > overwrites to meet your security requirements.
| > >
| > > A heavy magnet in the vicinity of the platters for a good amount of
time
| > > may remove any possbility of recovering any appreciable data.
Anything
| > > beyond that requires physically damaging the physical hard drive's
| > > platters. Beyond that, a furnace capable of melting/burning the hard
drive
| > > is required.
| > > Dave
| > >
| >
|
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Well, isn't that it purpose?

I only just realised it is asking me to register (very discreetly).
I'd assumed it was one of those apps where you can have a lite version
for free. So being an honest sort of chap I thought I'd check out the
price. I find that they expect me to pay in euro at 1EUR for 1 USD and
pay 22% VAT as well!

So I guess I'll remove it.
 
What if he can and he does? If the data is that important, someone will
sabotage the flight, before it reaces the Sun and collect the hard disk
;-)

I'm pretty sure I've seen movies with plots that aren't even that elaborate.
:-)
 
I understand that formatting a hard drive does not necessarily erase all
previous data. I have heard that there are utilities that "truly" erase an
entire hard drive... overwriting existing data with "X" and doing so
multiple times.

My question:
Where can I get such a utility? What would I google? When I did a search all
I got was commercial expensive stuff that seems overkill. Are there any free
such utilities?

Thanks.


Just curious: What makes you think anyone would go to the trouble to
steal your drive and go to considerable trouble to retrieve (maybe)
the information on it?
 

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