Emergency Recovery Question

[root]

I have a Toshiba 3500 Tablet that's died(keyboard is unresponsive). The HD
and its contents are intact; it boots fine until the keyboard is needed.
I've Ghosted(imaged) the laptop HD. The tablet goes to Toshiba for repair
on Monday.

The user needs to keep working in the interim.

First some general XP Pro(non-tablet specific) questions please. XP is a
plug & play OS in general. What would be the general desktop procedure for
taking an XP Pro boot HD and putting it in another and significantly
different desktop hardware environment? Isn't there some sequence of
keystrokes and procedures during boot to tell XP to redetect all new
hardware? That procedure along with an XP Pro install CD should be all
that's needed, right?

Now I'll vent AGAIN against mfgs who do not supply XP install CDs with their
systems. That should be banned by MS. Two new Gateway laptops that I just
configured for XP and Wireless CDMA DID come with XP install CDs. Some mfgs
DO get this one right. I hear that Dell usually does get this right.
Toshiba does NOT.

So now for my ultimate goal. So I restore(un-ghost) the Toshiba 3500 tablet
drive to a desktop HD and let it boot. What will happen EXACTLY? What if I
have a brand new XP Pro Upgrade(non-tablet) release CD in my hands. Where
could such a new XP CD come into the process of booting that desktop copy of
the Toshiba XP Tablet HD if any? OR can one take that unbooted tablet HD
copy and 'apply' the XP Pro Upgrade CD to that desktop HD BEFORE ever
attempting to boot from it; how would that process go? How do I get that
tablet user working temporarily on a desktop especially in the context of
how I'm contemplating the solution?

I'm not concerned about the transfer back to the tablet later as that will
be simply a restoration of the previously described Ghost image followed
shortly by a hand copy a few more recent app files.

 

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|I have a Toshiba 3500 Tablet that's died(keyboard is unresponsive). The HD
| and its contents are intact; it boots fine until the keyboard is needed.
| I've Ghosted(imaged) the laptop HD. The tablet goes to Toshiba for repair
| on Monday.
|
| The user needs to keep working in the interim.
|
| First some general XP Pro(non-tablet specific) questions please. XP is a
| plug & play OS in general. What would be the general desktop procedure for
| taking an XP Pro boot HD and putting it in another and significantly
| different desktop hardware environment? Isn't there some sequence of
| keystrokes and procedures during boot to tell XP to redetect all new
| hardware? That procedure along with an XP Pro install CD should be all
| that's needed, right?
|
| Now I'll vent AGAIN against mfgs who do not supply XP install CDs with their
| systems. That should be banned by MS. Two new Gateway laptops that I just
| configured for XP and Wireless CDMA DID come with XP install CDs. Some mfgs
| DO get this one right. I hear that Dell usually does get this right.
| Toshiba does NOT.
|
| So now for my ultimate goal. So I restore(un-ghost) the Toshiba 3500 tablet
| drive to a desktop HD and let it boot. What will happen EXACTLY? What if I
| have a brand new XP Pro Upgrade(non-tablet) release CD in my hands. Where
| could such a new XP CD come into the process of booting that desktop copy of
| the Toshiba XP Tablet HD if any? OR can one take that unbooted tablet HD
| copy and 'apply' the XP Pro Upgrade CD to that desktop HD BEFORE ever
| attempting to boot from it; how would that process go? How do I get that
| tablet user working temporarily on a desktop especially in the context of
| how I'm contemplating the solution?
|
| I'm not concerned about the transfer back to the tablet later as that will
| be simply a restoration of the previously described Ghost image followed
| shortly by a hand copy a few more recent app files.

 

[Bruce Chambers]

Greetings --

No, I'm afraid that there's no magic combination of keystrokes to
magically rebuild WinXP's HAL. In fact, because you have an OEM
instance of WinXP TabletPC, I seriously doubt that you'll be able to
successfully restore that image to any machine than an _identical_
model Toshiba device.

Normally, and assuming a retail license (many OEM licenses are not
transferable to a new motherboard), unless your motherboard is
virtually identical (same chipset, same IDE controllers, same BIOS
version, etc.) to the one on which the other WinXP installation was
originally performed, you'll need to perform a repair (a.k.a. in-place
upgrade) installation, at the very least:

How to Perform an In-Place Upgrade of Windows XP
http://support.microsoft.com/directory/article.asp?ID=KB;EN-US;Q315341

As always when undertaking such a significant change, back up any
important data before starting.

This will also require re-activation. If it's been more than 120
days since you last activated that specific Product Key, you'll most
likely be able to activate via the internet without problem. If it's
been less, you might have to make a 5 minute phone call.


Bruce Chambers
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[root]

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Please note the thread header and specifically which NGs this was posted to.
Then note the contents of my post. Then one can see that it's relevant to
more than one NG.

|I have a Toshiba 3500 Tablet that's died(keyboard is unresponsive). The HD
| and its contents are intact; it boots fine until the keyboard is needed.
| I've Ghosted(imaged) the laptop HD. The tablet goes to Toshiba for repair
| on Monday.
|
| The user needs to keep working in the interim.
|
| First some general XP Pro(non-tablet specific) questions please. XP is a
| plug & play OS in general. What would be the general desktop procedure for
| taking an XP Pro boot HD and putting it in another and significantly
| different desktop hardware environment? Isn't there some sequence of
| keystrokes and procedures during boot to tell XP to redetect all new
| hardware? That procedure along with an XP Pro install CD should be all
| that's needed, right?
|
| Now I'll vent AGAIN against mfgs who do not supply XP install CDs with their
| systems. That should be banned by MS. Two new Gateway laptops that I just
| configured for XP and Wireless CDMA DID come with XP install CDs. Some mfgs
| DO get this one right. I hear that Dell usually does get this right.
| Toshiba does NOT.
|
| So now for my ultimate goal. So I restore(un-ghost) the Toshiba 3500 tablet
| drive to a desktop HD and let it boot. What will happen EXACTLY? What if I
| have a brand new XP Pro Upgrade(non-tablet) release CD in my hands. Where
| could such a new XP CD come into the process of booting that desktop copy of
| the Toshiba XP Tablet HD if any? OR can one take that unbooted tablet HD
| copy and 'apply' the XP Pro Upgrade CD to that desktop HD BEFORE ever
| attempting to boot from it; how would that process go? How do I get that
| tablet user working temporarily on a desktop especially in the context of
| how I'm contemplating the solution?
|
| I'm not concerned about the transfer back to the tablet later as that will
| be simply a restoration of the previously described Ghost image followed
| shortly by a hand copy a few more recent app files.

 

[root]

Greetings --

No, I'm afraid that there's no magic combination of keystrokes to
magically rebuild WinXP's HAL.

Well, I beleive I seen it specified before for a generic desktop + retail
XP Pro release but I can't remember the details. Being able to do this was
one of the goals of P&P in the first place. I do it all the time with W98SE
over a wide variety of HW.

In fact, because you have an OEM
instance of WinXP TabletPC, I seriously doubt that you'll be able to
successfully restore that image to any machine than an _identical_
model Toshiba device.

Normally, and assuming a retail license (many OEM licenses are not
transferable to a new motherboard), unless your motherboard is
virtually identical (same chipset, same IDE controllers, same BIOS
version, etc.) to the one on which the other WinXP installation was
originally performed,

Actually I've never heard of an OEM version that has any such detailed HW
limitations. At most I've seen that an OEM version looks fo something like
'Gateway(mfg name)' in the BIOS as a go/nogo for install. Often it's only a
paper/license issue as is the case for a generic OEM XP release which is
essentially identical to the retail release.

you'll need to perform a repair (a.k.a. in-place
upgrade) installation, at the very least:

How to Perform an In-Place Upgrade of Windows XP
http://support.microsoft.com/directory/article.asp?ID=KB;EN-US;Q315341

Thankyou. I'll study that in detail.

 

[Bruce Chambers]

Greetings --

Well, I beleive I seen it specified before for a generic desktop +
retail
XP Pro release but I can't remember the details. Being able to do
this was
one of the goals of P&P in the first place. I do it all the time
with W98SE
over a wide variety of HW.

One simply cannot compare Win9x and WinXP in this manner.

WinXP, like Win2K before it, is not nearly as "promiscuous" as
Win9x when it comes to accepting any old hardware configuration you
throw at it. On installation it "tailors" itself to the specific
hardware found. This is one of the primary reasons WinXP, again like
Win2K before it, is so much more stable than is Win9x.

Actually I've never heard of an OEM version that has any such
detailed HW
limitations. At most I've seen that an OEM version looks fo
something like
'Gateway(mfg name)' in the BIOS as a go/nogo for install. Often
it's only a
paper/license issue as is the case for a generic OEM XP release
which is
essentially identical to the retail release.

If this is the case, I can only conclude that you've very limited
experience dealing with OEM installations.


Bruce Chambers
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[Chris H.]

Please trim the cross-posting. This is going to a lot of newsgroups
unrelated to the issue.
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[root]

The Tablet drive image restored to a desktop HD did not pass go during boot.
Prior to anything being displayed it: "STOP: 0x00000007b........". That was
as folks said.

So, I went through the whole upgrade/repair cycle using my new copy of XP
Pro Upgrade as described at some of the cited sites. It booted into XP
still saying Tablet PC Edition however. It got to the place where it wanted
the product code and NEITHER the product code included with the CD nor the
Toshiba XP product code works. Anyone got any ideas?

 

[Bruce Chambers]

Greetings --

It is well known that Product Keys are bound to the specific type
and language of CD/license (OEM, Volume, retail, full, or Upgrade)
with which they are purchased.
For example, a WinXP Home OEM Product Key won't work for any retail
version of WinXP Home, or for any version of WinXP Pro, and vice
versa. An upgrade's Product Key cannot be used with a full version
CD, and vice versa. An OEM Product Key will not work to install a
retail product. An Italian Product Key will not work with an English
CD. Bottom line: Product Keys and CD types cannot be mixed &
matched.

I can't imagine what kind of Product Key, if any, might be needed
for such kludged, cobbled-together, hybrid installation as you're
attempting.


Bruce Chambers
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[Bruce Chambers]

Greetings --

Instead of consuming many hours time trying to restore an image of
a TabletPC OS onto a desktop, why don't you simply selectively restore
_only_ the user's data files? This should take only minutes, and get
the user back to work much sooner.

Bruce Chambers
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Help us help you:



You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on
having both at once. -- RAH

 

[root]

Greetings --

Instead of consuming many hours time trying to restore an image of
a TabletPC OS onto a desktop, why don't you simply selectively restore
_only_ the user's data files? This should take only minutes, and get
the user back to work much sooner.

NO, you are forgetting the vast amount of time to do all the app installs
and fixes/updates/downloads. Clean install XP, clean install Office,
clean install Tablet Planner........... then Windows Update, then Office
update, then...............................
then hand copy some app files............faster........ I DON'T THINK SO!

The appropriate way a professional would attempt to do this is as I am. I
hope that such powerful and and previously functional paths have not been
all blocked by MS. Emergency recovery and alternate operating environments
is an essentail need for many businesses. There needs to be a way for
laptop and/or tablet user to operate/emergency recover when their portables
are down or being repaired! I'm seeking the right way to handle such
situations.