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Ken Blake said:
But the two teams must have talked with each other, at least a little.
There are lots of similarities in how the e-mail portions of both
work.
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Possible, but the Office team was totally separate and they didn't do
much communicating with other teams. The original MS Internet Mail and
News, from which OE came directly isn't any more like Outlook than any
other email client... Pegasus, Eudora, Thunderbird, Courier... and they
all have a lot of similarities because they all must do the same thing
in similar ways. Pegasus mail looks and acts a lot like OE yet it is
older and has no connection to Outlook or to MS. The *structure* of OE
shares similarities with Outlook, but they never shared any code at all,
so to say if is a stripped-down version of Outlook is false. As you
say, the name was probably chosen to associate it in user's minds with
Outlook, and the initial view of the program resembles some aspects of
Outlook architecture, but that's it.

OE took a lot of flack over the years for not being a "real" email
program, but it was quite long-lived and used, and was very
user-friendly.
 
Possible, but the Office team was totally separate and they didn't do
much communicating with other teams. The original MS Internet Mail and
News, from which OE came directly isn't any more like Outlook than any
other email client...
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Interesting, thanks. I never used IMN and didn't know that.

The *structure* of OE
shares similarities with Outlook, but they never shared any code at all,
so to say if is a stripped-down version of Outlook is false.
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Right. I wasn't the one who said that.


As you
say, the name was probably chosen to associate it in user's minds with
Outlook, and the initial view of the program resembles some aspects of
Outlook architecture, but that's it.
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That's all I was saying. Whether they talked to each other, or just
saw results and to some extent copied each other, there are some
similarities.

OE took a lot of flack over the years for not being a "real" email
program, but it was quite long-lived and used, and was very
user-friendly.
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Yes. Despite all the flak it took, I always thought it was a decent
e-mail program and even a decent newsreader. Not my favorite, but OK.

Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP
 
"Ken Blake said:
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OE took a lot of flack over the years for not being a "real" email
program, but it was quite long-lived and used, and was very
user-friendly.
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Yes. Despite all the flak it took, I always thought it was a decent
e-mail program and even a decent newsreader. Not my favorite, but OK.

Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP
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My thoughts too. It's quoting style (especially putting the signature
above the quoted material) is a pain, but can be sorted with
OE-Quotefix.
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I always used and liked OE-Quotefix too, and I always thought that
Microsoft should never have put the reply cursor where *it* wanted it,
but should have made it a user-configurable option. I feel the same
way about Outlook, which I use for e-mail.


But to tell the truth, as far as I'm concerned, there's no right place
to put the cursor. Sometime I want it at the bottom, sometime I want
it somewhere in the middle, and even occasionally, I want it at the
top.

Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP
 
Bill in Co said:
snip
Again, I can't recall if I said it was a stripped down version of
Outlook, but maybe I actually did state that. snip
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Yes, you actually did say that, Bill:
 
Ken Blake said:
Interesting, thanks. I never used IMN and didn't know that.




Right. I wasn't the one who said that.





That's all I was saying. Whether they talked to each other, or just
saw results and to some extent copied each other, there are some
similarities.




Yes. Despite all the flak it took, I always thought it was a decent
e-mail program and even a decent newsreader. Not my favorite, but OK.

Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP
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Yes, I understand you didn't say it was a stripped down version of
Outlook.... Bill said that. Sorry for not being clear, Ken. I was
replying to your post but actually addressing both you and Bill in
different parts of my reply.
 
Yes, I understand you didn't say it was a stripped down version of
Outlook.... Bill said that. Sorry for not being clear, Ken. I was
replying to your post but actually addressing both you and Bill in
different parts of my reply.
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OK, no problem.

Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP
 
Alan Holmes said:
I've suddenly found that I cannot delete messages from my inbox any more,
why can't I do that, I used to be able to?
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And much worse, I cannot recieve emails any more, I appear to be able to
send them but any emails sent to me do not appear in the inbox at all, what
the hell is going on?

And more importantly how do I get it fixed?

Please, please, HELP!
 
And much worse, I cannot recieve emails any more, I appear to be able to
send them but any emails sent to me do not appear in the inbox at all, what
the hell is going on?
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You first reported not being able to receive emails on July 4th,
shortly after reporting that you couldn't delete emails. What has
changed since then? Did you follow the advice given to you in this
thread?
 
Bill in Co said:
Same here. I much rather it start at the top, too. It's simple enough to
scroll to the bottom to start typing, when I bottom post. (I sometimes
top, bottom, or inline post, depending on the context)

UPDATE:
Oh! I just noticed that there IS a checkbox in OE-QuoteFix to position
the cursor at the top, which I have checked. (Sorry about the confusion
there). So yes, it looks like there is an option to have it positioned at
the bottom (if anyone wants that).
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What is OE-QuoteFix and how do you get at it?

Alan
 
Char Jackson said:
You first reported not being able to receive emails on July 4th,
shortly after reporting that you couldn't delete emails. What has
changed since then? Did you follow the advice given to you in this
thread?
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I tried, but it didn't get me anywhere!

I tried to contact microsoft.support for advice but they wanted £46 to log
on!

Alan
 
Alan said:
I tried, but it didn't get me anywhere!

I tried to contact microsoft.support for advice but they wanted £46 to log
on!

Alan
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The last message was from Bruce Hagen 7/4/2012 4:13 PM.

Did you reply to him ?

"You moved all your Inbox messages to user created folders
and then deleted the Inbox.dbx file with OE closed?

If you did that, you would have a new Inbox, empty and uncorrupt,
and the error message should no longer appear."

Note that, once you've finished moving the messages from Inbox
to other boxes, and do the shutdown of OE, you'll want to do
"control-alt-delete" and bring up Task Manager. You'd do that,
to make sure that OE has actually quit. A quick Google, claims the
executable for OE is msimn.exe in the folder
C:\Program Files\Outlook Express and so you'd expect
to see something like msimn in Task Manager while OE is
running. You'd look under the "Processes" tab in Task
Manager, for msimn. Once OE has exited, that program should also
disappear from Task Manager. Then, you could remove the Inbox.dbx
(or, move it somewhere that OE won't find it). The next time
you start OE, you should have a new clean Inbox.

Paul
 
Paul said:
The last message was from Bruce Hagen 7/4/2012 4:13 PM.

Did you reply to him ?

"You moved all your Inbox messages to user created folders
and then deleted the Inbox.dbx file with OE closed?
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No I did not move any Inbox messages, or delete the Inbox file, it just got
changed when I tried to delete some messages.
If you did that, you would have a new Inbox, empty and uncorrupt,
and the error message should no longer appear."
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The error message still appears every time I try to Send/Recv.
 
No I did not move any Inbox messages, or delete the Inbox file, it just got
changed when I tried to delete some messages.


The error message still appears every time I try to Send/Recv.
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You can't just ignore the directions you've received and expect things
to get better. Please do as Bruce and Paul have suggested and you
should be able to resolve this fairly quickly.
 
You can't just ignore the directions you've received and expect
things to get better. Please do as Bruce and Paul have suggested
and you should be able to resolve this fairly quickly.
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When my inbox becomes corrupted, I wish upon a star. That usually works
pretty well.
 
Char said:
You can't just ignore the directions you've received and expect things
to get better. Please do as Bruce and Paul have suggested and you
should be able to resolve this fairly quickly.
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Well, Bruce provided a suggestion, and Alan didn't follow up.

If the instructions weren't clear, Alan could say that.

An email tool, should allow you to move email messages, from one
box to another. You can create new boxes, for the purposes of sorting
messages. And by pulling all the messages out of a damaged inbox and
storing them somewhere, you're then in a position to delete the old
inbox, once you've quit from OE. The next time OE starts, after
the old inbox.dbx is deleted (or moved), then OE should create
a brand new, empty, uncorrupted inbox.dbx, and new email should be
able to be accessible as a result. There's now a clean box to put
the new mail.

If there are any error dialog boxes present, with hex numbers in
it like 0x800CC123, Alan should post the details. As they can give
a hint what is broken.

Paul
 
Paul said:
Well, Bruce provided a suggestion, and Alan didn't follow up.

If the instructions weren't clear, Alan could say that.

An email tool, should allow you to move email messages, from one
box to another. You can create new boxes, for the purposes of sorting
messages. And by pulling all the messages out of a damaged inbox and
storing them somewhere, you're then in a position to delete the old
inbox, once you've quit from OE. The next time OE starts, after
the old inbox.dbx is deleted (or moved), then OE should create
a brand new, empty, uncorrupted inbox.dbx, and new email should be
able to be accessible as a result. There's now a clean box to put
the new mail.

If there are any error dialog boxes present, with hex numbers in
it like 0x800CC123, Alan should post the details. As they can give
a hint what is broken.
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The error message is:-

An unknown error has occurred. Account: 'mail.virginmedia.com (ah)', Server:
'pop.virgin.net', Protocol: POP3, Port: 995, Secure(SSL): Yes, Error Number:
0x800C0133

Does this help as it is all foreign to me!

Alan
 
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