em dash and orphan quotes

M

MinervaReef

In dialogue the speaker is interrupted and so I end the sentence with an em
dash followed by smart quotes (correct according to Chicago Manual of Style).
I have this situation throughout my novel, but in one or two cases when the
em dash just happens to be at the very end of the line, it breaks the line
and orphans the quotes by themselves on the next line. This would appear to
be a bug in Word 2003.

Anyone have a solution, other than re-writing the dialogue?
 
G

Greg Maxey

You can create a reasonable non-breaking em dash using standard non-breaking
dashes (CTRL+SHIFT+-). Type four or five non-breaking dashes. Select them
and then use the Font Dialog>Characters Spacing to condense and raise the
charaters until it looks the same size as an em dash. You might need to
adjust the font size to lighten the line weight. Select this contraption
and create an autotext entry. When you need it, type the autotext entry
name and press F3.

You can replace all of your traditional em dashes with the non-breaking
imposters by entering one of the imposters into your document, selecting it,
and then copy it to the clipboard. Using repalce CTRL+h, type in ^+ in the
find field (finds em dashes) and ^c in the replace with field. Then click
replace all.

In dialogue the speaker is interrupted and so I end the sentence with
an em dash followed by smart quotes (correct according to Chicago
Manual of Style). I have this situation throughout my novel, but in
one or two cases when the em dash just happens to be at the very end
of the line, it breaks the line and orphans the quotes by themselves
on the next line. This would appear to be a bug in Word 2003.

Anyone have a solution, other than re-writing the dialogue?

--
Greg Maxey

See my web site http://gregmaxey.mvps.org
for an eclectic collection of Word Tips.

"It is not the critic who counts, not the man who points out how the
strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them
better. The credit belongs to the man in the arena, whose face is
marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly...who knows
the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a
worthy cause, who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high
achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while
daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and
timid souls who have never known neither victory nor defeat." - TR
 
S

Suzanne S. Barnhill

Another approach is to use two minus signs (U2212) with condensed spacing.
The minus sign is nonbreaking (it also makes a perfect nonbreaking en dash),
the same weight as the en dash, and very nearly the same height. If you do
use hyphens, four will be plenty, but they will definitely make a heavier
dash.

Looking at all the possibilities at 500% Zoom may influence your choice. To
my eye, in TNR 12, two minus signs condensed by 0.6 pt. are
indistinguishable in width and weight from an em dash. Lowered 1 pt.,
they're also the same height.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
http://word.mvps.org
 
G

Greg Maxey

Ms. Barnhill,

You would know better than I. I was just tinkering with what I was familiar
with (non-breaking hyphen). I don't think I have ever used an em dash in my
life (traditiona or a non-breaking imposter). Yes, the hyphen is heavier
and a font size adjustment was needed in my trial to make it look like the
em dash. Thanks.
Another approach is to use two minus signs (U2212) with condensed
spacing. The minus sign is nonbreaking (it also makes a perfect
nonbreaking en dash), the same weight as the en dash, and very nearly
the same height. If you do use hyphens, four will be plenty, but they
will definitely make a heavier dash.

Looking at all the possibilities at 500% Zoom may influence your
choice. To my eye, in TNR 12, two minus signs condensed by 0.6 pt. are
indistinguishable in width and weight from an em dash. Lowered 1 pt.,
they're also the same height.

--
Greg Maxey

See my web site http://gregmaxey.mvps.org
for an eclectic collection of Word Tips.

"It is not the critic who counts, not the man who points out how the
strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them
better. The credit belongs to the man in the arena, whose face is
marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly...who knows
the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a
worthy cause, who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high
achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while
daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and
timid souls who have never known neither victory nor defeat." - TR
 
S

Suzanne S. Barnhill

I'm not sure that would help. Em dashes are already nonbreaking *before*;
it's only after the em dash that you can get a break, and inserting the
nonbreak wouldn't help there, either, I suspect, though I haven't tested it.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
http://word.mvps.org
 
M

MinervaReef

I tried the double minus signs and they did look good in TNR 12, however my
novel is set in 11pt Georgia and they separated when I converted to that
font. The CTRL-Shift+- seemed to work well. I'm not sure I yet fully
understand how to implement Pam's suggestion. All three of you are testing
the limits of my experience with the finer points of Word. Pam if you could
give me just a tad more detail, I'd like to try your suggestion, too. Thanks
to all of you.
 
P

Pesach Shelnitz

Hi,

The horizontal bar (hexadecimal Unicode 2015), which is nearly identical to
an em dash, is a nonbreaking character and can serve as a nonbreaking em
dash.

The no-width non-break (zero width joiner) unfortunately does not work with
an em dash, and all the other suggestions of combining other characters
invariably run into problems when you use different fonts and different font
sizes.
 
P

Peter T. Daniels

"Horizontal bar" is somewhat longer than an em-dash, and in some fonts
is at a different height from the em-dash. According to the Unicode
manual, it's intended for introducing dialogue in the French fashion
(which accounts for its nonbreaking status). It is found in many,
though not all, typical text fonts.
 
S

Suzanne S. Barnhill

In Georgia you would need to condense the minus signs by more than 0.6 pt.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
http://word.mvps.org
 
M

MinervaReef

I condensed them 1.8pt and at 500% they looked great in Georgia 11pt. Many
thanks to you, Suzanne, and the rest of you for jumping on what I thought was
an esoteric problem that would get little response. I am in awe of all of
you. BTW, my soon to be released novel is titled "Sex, Lies & Spinnakers,"
by Steve Van Slyke.
 

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