Dual boot Windows XP and Vista deletes Vista's restore points

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I think you will find that you will prevent loss of restore points
if Windows XP cannot see the partition containing the Vista
operating system.

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Hope this helps.

Gerry
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What's the big deal. XP and Vista utilize two different restoreone result is that when you boot into XP the Vista restore points are
"removed" - if setups are running OK (no need for old restore pints) when
you boot into Vista just create a new restore point!

AJR:

I completely agree.
 
It's more than just a history of restore points you lose (or "loose" if I
were to use the proper Internet spelling). Notably, the extremely useful
Previous Versions (shadow copies) of files/folders also go flying out the
window. 15% of your partition is devoted to this stuff, so it's a shame that
it all goes away in a flash.

Milhouse:

Note that the two Home editions do not support shadow copies of files
 
CZ / AJR

That may be but if it fails to boot you're up a creek without a
paddle.


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Gerry
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Yes, but it's too bad MS never built such an ability into XP. Even system
policy isn't strong enough.

I wonder why they don't release a hotfix that adds the ability, either as a
new item in system policy or via some other control. It would basically be
an "Exclude this drive entirely from all access, even by the OS" type
setting.
 
Too few user dual boot to make it practical. Those few can use an alternate
method for not much expense or free .
 
"Too few" in the Windows world is still millions of people, considering the
installed base is in the several hundreds of millions. Plenty of people dual
boot, particularly in the beginning, and how many of them are even going to
know of this ultra-subtle problem let alone be able to track down a
solution--none of which are particularly easy or attractive (I'm not
counting otherwise useful VMs among them, since they rely on the host OS--I
sometimes want to be able to get into an alternate Windows on the same
machine independent of the host OS).

The only real solution is one pushed out by MS, and I still haven't seen a
good explanation why that can't be done. I'm not talking about
re-architecting XP to understand the new restore point system, but
introducing a Registry/policy option that shields a given volume--basically
exactly what XP already has, just stronger.
 
John

Did the problem arise before Vista? Even with larger numbers dual
booting Microsoft are not going to solve any more problems arising
out of Windows XP. Any more revisions to XP will only be to deal
with security.

Milhouse

BootIt NG is not that expensive and a good investment.

Using BootIt NG you can have data partitions seen by both operating
systems. You just prevent the operating systems from seeing the
others partition.
http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/examples.html


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Gerry
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Milhouse

It's not going to happen. In future Microsoft will only be issuing
security updates for Windows XP.

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Gerry
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MS still releases fixes for XP not related to security (they're even
promising SP3, which will have hundreds upon hundreds of things in it not
tied to security), and this could even be considered a security fix--the
security of your data. When someone wants a version of a document five
revisions back, and it was destroyed because that someone happened to boot
into XP, someone is going to be upset--if they ever figure out what
happened, which isn't a given considering how unbelievably subtle this
problem is.

I have little doubt BootIt NG works, but a boot manager should not be
necessary to toggle between MS's two latest OS's. And I hate introducing
3rd-party complications (and boot managers are complications, some much more
so than others) without sufficient reason.
 
Milhouse

You could wait for ever if you rely on Microsoft for a solution.

Microsoft introduced a major problem into Outlook Express when they
incorporated Compact messages in the Background into version 5. It
took 5 years and several bites of the cherry before they finally
delivered a significantly better solution. With Windows Mail they
have taken a retrograde step by removing an easy way to manually
compact. Compacting created far more grief for users than a problem
will for the small minority who dual boot.

Microsoft introduced System Restore with Windows ME and carried it
over into Windows XP. A major problem has always been it's tendency
to default to monitoring all drives / partitions. This has always
resulted in many users not finding a restore point when it was
needed. Six years later the problematic default has not been fixed
in Windows XP, although it has been changed in Vista.

These two examples illustrate why you cannot rely on Microsoft for a
solution.

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Gerry
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That may be but if it fails to boot you're up a creek without a paddle.

Gerry:

Not necessarily.

I still have Last Known Good Configuration and a full backup.
Also, I have seen an error message when attempting a system restore stating
that the restore point is not usable.

I have been dual booting XP and Vista for 6 or 7 months and the loss of
restore points, et al. is not an issue for me.

Also, having access to a crashed Vista install via XP has been very useful
at times.
 
CZ

There used to be mixed reports about Last Known Good in XP. Some
said it could put you more in the mire but I never had any personal
experience of problem. I think I have used System Restore once,
perhaps twice. It not working for this copy of Vista -will not allow
the creation of restore points. Works in the backup copy of Vista
and Windows XP so there you are.

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Gerry
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