Dual boot Windows XP and Vista deletes Vista's restore points

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Steve

I have read online several "fixes" for this extremely annoying issue but
none have worked. Any ideas how to stop this from happening?
 
Hi Steve,

There are only two real solutions:

1) Use a third party boot manager like BootIT NG that can hide each OS's
installation volume from the other when booted.

2) Run Vista Ultimate and install and use Bitlocker.

If XP can access the Vista volume in any way, it will destroy the restore
points regardless of whether or not System Restore is running.

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Best of Luck,

Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP

Windows help - www.rickrogers.org
 
I second Rick's post. Lots of posts claiming another solution, but there
are only the two ways to be sure. The others are doubtful at best.
 
that unfortunately is not optimal for me right now as I only have those
drives and I dual boot for functionality that I lost in Vista. Some of my
programs still do not have Vista versions. If XP can't see Vistas drive it
defeats my purpose. I do plan on wiping the XP system and reinstalling
Vista clean when I am satisfied with it (probably after SP1 comes out for
Vista and SP3 for XP (so I can install it and ghost the drive for future
use)) so for now I guess I SOL. Thanks for the info. it is appreciated.
 
Steve

BootIt NG is not that expensive and a good investment.

Using BootIt NG you can have data partitions seen by both operating
systems. You just prevent the operating systems from seeing the
others partition.
http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/examples.html


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Hope this helps.

Gerry
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FCA
Stourport, England
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/Steve/ said:
That unfortunately is not optimal for me right now as I only have
those drives and I dual boot for functionality that I lost in Vista.
Some of my programs still do not have Vista versions. If XP can't see
Vistas drive it defeats my purpose. I do plan on wiping the XP
system and reinstalling Vista clean when I am satisfied with it
(probably after SP1 comes out for Vista and SP3 for XP (so I can
install it and ghost the drive for future use)) so for now I guess I
SOL. Thanks for the info. it is appreciated.
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One approach is the use of an imaging utility, so you can be little
concerned with the loss of Vista's own shadow copies/back up.

Here, XP and Vista are are each on their own partitioned drives, and
each sees the other's drive. Image back ups are made to the second
partition on the XP drive, the drive on which the back up utility is
installed.
 
Because I do not what to have duplicate files for both Vista and XP. There
are things I do on XP that I cant do on Vista such as our digital pictures.
We use Vueprint 8.0 on XP to view our pictures. I have tried the Vista
utility and found it lacking. Other things are stiching my cameras video
files together. I use a program in XP that does not work in Vista. Another
thing was Nero did not work in Vista right away so I had to boot back to XP
to burn my disc's. Don't get me started about Vista's lame attempt at CD
burning.

So, in short, there are things that I need to do that can only work in XP
and the files might be in the Vista drive. If XP cant see the Vista drive,
then how do I access the files.
 
And seems always to be on the leading edge. They seem always to have the
first compatible version available when Microsoft makes changes.
 
Hi.
I've read nearly all the posts on this subject.
I recall seeing one that said that you could make Vista store, as the
default, it's System Restore files onto an external Hard Drive. Then, if you
switch off the external drive before XP is booted, you retain the Vista
restore points but can 'see' the Vista partitions.
Great..........
Can anyone guide me to where, in Vista, is the option to change the location
of System restore files ?
And.............will it work?...........I think it should do.
Thanks
Morrisg
 
I have never heard of an option to change the location of the
restore points. I doubt it is possible. Also you should not monitor
external removable drives!

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Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
 
morrisg said:
Hi.
I've read nearly all the posts on this subject.
I recall seeing one that said that you could make Vista store, as the
default, it's System Restore files onto an external Hard Drive. Then, if
you
switch off the external drive before XP is booted, you retain the Vista
restore points but can 'see' the Vista partitions.
Great..........
Can anyone guide me to where, in Vista, is the option to change the
location
of System restore files ?
And.............will it work?...........I think it should do.
Thanks
Morrisg
Click to expand...

I was hoping the following would do it, but I think it amounts to little
more than the TweakUI non-fix:

Start>Run>Gpedit.msc>User Configuration>Administrative Templates>Windows
Components >Windows Explorer

Once there, configure "Prevent access to drives from My Computer."

While that even goes as far as to prevent users from using the Run box or
even network mapping the exclusion, it doesn't prevent other programs from
accessing it nor Disk Management, so XP itself will have no problem doing
so.

I find it hard to believe that there's nothing that can be done in XP to
really deny access to a drive to one and all (not speaking of boot managers
here or encyryption, but a simple mod to XP), but so far that seems to be
the case.
 
What's the big deal. XP and Vista utilize two different restore utilities -
one result is that when you boot into XP the Vista restore points are
"removed" - if setups are running OK (no need for old restore pints) when
you boot into Vista just create a new restore point!
 
It's more than just a history of restore points you lose (or "loose" if I
were to use the proper Internet spelling). Notably, the extremely useful
Previous Versions (shadow copies) of files/folders also go flying out the
window. 15% of your partition is devoted to this stuff, so it's a shame that
it all goes away in a flash.
 
Still studying the responses but..............AJR.......I agree with you.
If Vista is running OK when you shutdown, ....then you boot into XP and
shutdown, re-boot Vista and you can immediately create a Restore point, which
would be the same system config as before you booted into XP.

Cheers
Morrisg
 
Unless you test all your functions to know that everything is working
properly, there are many times you have to go back several restore points to
solve a problem. Often problems do not show up for some period of time.
 
Below is taken from.......
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=926185&sd=RMVP

Information for advanced users
Consider the following scenario. A shadow copy is created on a volume in
Windows Vista or in Windows Server "Longhorn." Then, you access the volume
from an earlier Windows operating system. In this scenario, the shadow copy
is deleted. You experience this problem if one or more of the following
conditions are true:

• You use Windows Vista or Windows Server "Longhorn" in a dual-boot
configuration with Windows XP or with Windows Server 2003. In this scenario,
any restore points that have been created in Windows Vista are lost when the
computer is started in an earlier Windows operating system. Additionally,
shadow copies that were created in Windows Server 2003 are lost when the
computer is started in Windows Vista or in Windows Server "Longhorn."

• You create Windows Vista restore points on an internal hard disk or an
external hard disk. Then, you move the hard disk to a computer that is
running Windows Server 2003 or Windows XP.

ENDQUOTE

Above, next to last sentence clearly shows that a restore point CAN be
created on an external disc. Just disable the drive when booting XP.
I knew I'd seen it somewhere.

Morrisg
 
For those dependent upon restore points in XP or Vista losing a feature
should always be a concern. I've never been a big fan of using them,
preferring to turn off/disable them and use imaging software on stand-alone
of dual boot systems. I continue to use Ghost on XP systems, and Acronis on
Vista. Though after creating a Vista image with Acronis 10 and restoring to
ensure it functioned, I also booted back to XP then using Ghost 10 within
XP and Ghost 10 Emergency bootable cd(both part of NSW2006 Premier) and also
Ghost 2003(boot disk) successfully created and restored the Vista drive.
Note: Using 2003 boot disk ghost.exe can be tricky since the Vista drive
letter may change(knowing the size and location of the Vista partition
helps<g>.
 
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