Drive Image v7.01queries

[Rosie]

I've just upgraded to DI 7.01 and I'm having a few problems. I'm running
XPHome + SP1, I have C,D,E on Maxtor 1, F,G,H on Maxtor 2, and I on
Maxtor 3. C contains XPHome and D contains all (well, most of them) of
my programs as I don't like cluttering up Program Files on C.
I've put Drive Image on E in an effort to keep it away from partitions I
want to image, namely C & D. However, I don't seem to be able to restore
an image from XP. If I try to restore D from XP it will tell me that
something is preventing the partition from being locked. I ran EnditAll
(older version) but it may not have closed down parts of Panda Anti
Virus so I get messages saying that such & such cannot be locked (looks
like files have been encrypted?) and I then have to use the PQRE. I also
get error messages like EOBB0097, but these messages don't appear on the
Powerquest error list. I'm currently waiting on a response from PQ about
this.
Is it feasible to be able to shut down everything that is running on the
partitioned to be imaged? Perhaps I should try latest EnditAll?

 

[Rod Speed]

I've just upgraded to DI 7.01 and I'm having a few problems. I'm running
XPHome + SP1, I have C,D,E on Maxtor 1, F,G,H on Maxtor 2, and I on
Maxtor 3. C contains XPHome and D contains all (well, most of them) of
my programs as I don't like cluttering up Program Files on C.

You do however end up with a considerable mess
of partitions for no real useful advantage tho.

I've put Drive Image on E in an effort to keep it away
from partitions I want to image, namely C & D.

Where its installed is completely irrelevant to what it can
image or restore. What it can image or restore depends
on what partition is BOOTED, not where DI is stored.

However, I don't seem to be able to restore an image
from XP. If I try to restore D from XP it will tell me that
something is preventing the partition from being locked.

Thats because you have the program files stored there
and some of them are in use and preventing the restore.

You'll have to do that restore using the rescue
floppys or when booted from the distribution CD.

I ran EnditAll (older version) but it may not have closed
down parts of Panda Anti Virus so I get messages saying
that such & such cannot be locked (looks like files have
been encrypted?) and I then have to use the PQRE.
I also get error messages like EOBB0097, but these
messages don't appear on the Powerquest error list.
I'm currently waiting on a response from PQ about this.

Is it feasible to be able to shut down everything
that is running on the partitioned to be imaged?
Maybe.

Perhaps I should try latest EnditAll?

Dunno, dont use it myself.

Why not just image from the rescue floppys or the distribution CD ?

 

[Michael Kimmer]

I've just upgraded to DI 7.01 and I'm having a few problems. I'm
running XPHome + SP1, I have C,D,E on Maxtor 1, F,G,H on Maxtor 2,
and I on Maxtor 3. C contains XPHome and D contains all (well, most
of them) of my programs as I don't like cluttering up Program Files
on C.
I've put Drive Image on E in an effort to keep it away from
partitions I want to image, namely C & D. However, I don't seem to be
able to restore an image from XP. If I try to restore D from XP it
will tell me that something is preventing the partition from being
locked. I ran EnditAll (older version) but it may not have closed
down parts of Panda Anti Virus so I get messages saying that such &
such cannot be locked (looks like files have been encrypted?) and I
then have to use the PQRE. I also get error messages like EOBB0097,
but these messages don't appear on the Powerquest error list. I'm
currently waiting on a response from PQ about this.
Is it feasible to be able to shut down everything that is running on
the partitioned to be imaged? Perhaps I should try latest EnditAll?

You wrote

... I also get error messages like EOBB0097,
but these messages don't appear on the Powerquest error list. I'm
currently waiting on a response from PQ about this.

First, enter the hex value in their proper format. So, they are *not*
EOBB001B and EOBB0097, they should be error numbers E0BB001B and E0BB0097
and can be found in the error list online:
http://www.powerquest.com/support/primus/id5212.cfm

Drive Image's engine is also based on the v2i technology. so check out this
link.
-- Error "Cannot Lock Drive"; Errors EOBB001B and EOBB0097 (See PowerQuest
Solution pq1020.)

Possible issues that lead to either error E0BB001B and E0BB0097...
-If you are using Norton SystemWorks, deselect /CleanSweep/ in the
SystemWorks Startup.
-If you are using /Microsoft Front Page/, you may need to close it or remove
it from the Windows Startup menu.
-If you are using /Diskeeper/, you must deselect its *Smart Scheduling*
option.

--
M.f.G.
Michael Kimmer

"Ein Tag an dem Du nicht lächelst ist ein verlorener Tag"
"Eine Nacht in der Du nicht schläfst ist eine verschlafene Nacht"

 

[Lil' Dave]

Sounds like you've been following advice of some MS MVPs. Thing is, most of
these folks haven't got a clue with partition specific image backups when
divvying out advice.

There's no point in placing application software installations in a
partition you've specified for that. The registry and ini files on the C
partition contain data for these apps. The clutter is still there, its just
less obvious.

DI is loaded to memory. From that point, it makes no difference what
partition is backed up or restored ,as far as DI file partition location.

You may be on the right track with EndItAll, but you may find that it does
not end it all.
Dave

 

[Rosie]

You do however end up with a considerable mess
of partitions for no real useful advantage tho.

Maybe. The other partitions are used for video editing stuff, data etc.

Where its installed is completely irrelevant to what it can
image or restore. What it can image or restore depends
on what partition is BOOTED, not where DI is stored.

O.K. C is always my boot drive.

Thats because you have the program files stored there
and some of them are in use and preventing the restore.

You'll have to do that restore using the rescue
floppys or when booted from the distribution CD. No rescue floppies with DI 7.



Dunno, dont use it myself.

Why not just image from the rescue floppys or the distribution CD ?

Because DI 7 claims to restore under Windows, and because the PQRE CD
takes an age to load!

 

[Rosie]

You wrote
First, enter the hex value in their proper format. So, they are *not*
EOBB001B and EOBB0097, they should be error numbers E0BB001B and E0BB0097
and can be found in the error list online:
http://www.powerquest.com/support/primus/id5212.cfm

Drive Image's engine is also based on the v2i technology. so check out this
link.
-- Error "Cannot Lock Drive"; Errors EOBB001B and EOBB0097 (See PowerQuest
Solution pq1020.)

Possible issues that lead to either error E0BB001B and E0BB0097...
-If you are using Norton SystemWorks, deselect /CleanSweep/ in the
SystemWorks Startup.
-If you are using /Microsoft Front Page/, you may need to close it or remove
it from the Windows Startup menu.
-If you are using /Diskeeper/, you must deselect its *Smart Scheduling*
option.

Well Michael, that doesn't help me. I don't get E0BB001B and that link
doesn't explain E0BB0097 and the references to Norton, FrontPage and
Diskeeper are not applicable as I don't have them or use them!
Thanks anyway.

 

[Rosie]

Sounds like you've been following advice of some MS MVPs. Thing is, most of
these folks haven't got a clue with partition specific image backups when
divvying out advice.

There's no point in placing application software installations in a
partition you've specified for that. The registry and ini files on the C
partition contain data for these apps. The clutter is still there, its just
less obvious.

Yes, I understand that, but if my system fails to boot an image, restore
will bring it back to life. Keeping programs separately makes sense to
me (maybe not to others!) My C image with DI 7 I just under 2.5 gb. If a
program doesn't work afterwards I can just re-instal it.

DI is loaded to memory. From that point, it makes no difference what
partition is backed up or restored ,as far as DI file partition location.
OK.
You may be on the right track with EndItAll, but you may find that it does
not end it all.
Dave

I tried it, and it seems it doesn't!

 

[Rod Speed]

Maybe.

No maybe about it.

The other partitions are used for video editing stuff, data etc.

You can use a folder tree for that instead.

O.K. C is always my boot drive.

No rescue floppies with DI 7.

Its got the previous DI on the CD and you
can make the rescue floppys using that.

Or just boot the distribution CD.

Because DI 7 claims to restore under Windows,

Not with that particular config it doesnt.

and because the PQRE CD takes an age to load!

Thats life. It will work like that. Its a trivial
part of the time to restore the image anyway.

 

[Rosie]

No maybe about it.


You can use a folder tree for that instead.

Are you suggesting that I put everything into 1 partition then? I
understood it is better to have a 'dedicated' drive for video editing
stuff and a different drive/partition for data..

Its got the previous DI on the CD and you
can make the rescue floppys using that.

Actually not. DI 7 & DI 2002 are on separate CD's. Are you saying I can
use DI 2002 floppies to restore from DI 7.01?

Or just boot the distribution CD.

Which is what I do.

Not with that particular config it doesnt.

Surely there is nothing special about this config? The documentation
doesn't say you can only use DI 7 on a single disk with 1 partition, it
ought to be able to recognise any disk on the system, together with
partitions. If it can't, then the software isn't right.
What config _will_ restore from Windows (XPHome) then? There are always
going to be some programs running that would prevent DI & from restoring
even in a very basic config such as you may be suggesting.
Just trying to understand this stuff, its important, as get it wrong and
the system is crapped (which did happen to me with Acronis, where it
wrote the image to the wrong partition).

 

[Rod Speed]

Are you suggesting that I put everything into 1 partition then?

Not necessarily. Its possible to make a case for a separate
partition for the OS and apps. Basically because there is a
real advantage in doing a quick image of that partition before
installing anything or applying service packs etc, so you can
just restore the image if that all goes pear shaped. Having
a separate partition with just the OS and apps in it does
allow that image creation to be as quick as possible, and
that increases the likelyhood that you will bother to create
an image of it before installing or reconfiguring anything.

And if you only have one physical drive, you need
to have somewhere to write that image file as well.

I understood it is better to have a
'dedicated' drive for video editing stuff

Not anymore with decent modern hard drives. Thats really only
necessary if the drive is very marginal for raw video capture.

and a different drive/partition for data..

Thats not necessary at all on the separate physical drive.
In fact with many systems, 3 drives all jammed up against
each other in the 3.5" drive bay stack can see the drives
get stinking hot, much hotter than a single drive that has
plenty of airspace around it would get, or two drives with
a free slot between them would get.

And if you have two cdrom drives, say burner
and a DVD, you've got a problem with many
motherboards that only support 4 IDE drives too.

Actually not. DI 7 & DI 2002 are on separate CD's.

Hair splitting. Thats near enough.

Are you saying I can use DI 2002 floppies to restore from DI 7.01?
Yep.

Which is what I do.

So there was no reason for the original question.

Surely there is nothing special about this config?

Only in the sense that since you're restoring the partition where
the apps are stored, that needs to be done in the same way as
when restoring the boot partition if you have separate partitions
for the OS and the apps. That has to be done when booted from
the distribution CD just like it has to be when you are restoring
a single partition that has both the OS and apps in it.

The documentation doesn't say you can only use DI 7
on a single disk with 1 partition, it ought to be able to
recognise any disk on the system, together with partitions.

It can. You just have to do that when booted from the distribution CD.

If it can't, then the software isn't right.What config
_will_ restore from Windows (XPHome) then?

Basically all the other partitions which just have data etc in them.

There are always going to be some programs running
that would prevent DI & from restoring even in a very
basic config such as you may be suggesting.

Yes, thats why the restore using the booted distribution CD is provided.

XP itself has the same approach. Some stuff can only be
done after booting the distribution CD. For the same reason.

Just trying to understand this stuff, its important, as get it
wrong and the system is crapped (which did happen to me
with Acronis, where it wrote the image to the wrong partition).

Yeah, image restores can bite you on the bum
rather spectacularly. So can any backup restore.

 

[Lil' Dave]

A simple reality check with the separate application partition theorem shows
that it does nothing except save space on the boot partition. Is boot
partition space a problem? If not, deinstall and reinstall the apps to the
default location. If there is a space problem, reorient space on all
partitions to accomodate a bigger boot partition, or get a bigger hard
drive, then deinstall and reinstall apps to their default locations. Or, as
suggested by another, boot from the DI CD and do backups from there. Or,
network to another computer, give rights to the app partition access, and
backup from the other computer.
Dave

 

[Rosie]

OK Rod, thanks.

Not necessarily. Its possible to make a case for a separate
partition for the OS and apps. Basically because there is a
real advantage in doing a quick image of that partition before
installing anything or applying service packs etc, so you can
just restore the image if that all goes pear shaped. Having
a separate partition with just the OS and apps in it does
allow that image creation to be as quick as possible, and
that increases the likelyhood that you will bother to create
an image of it before installing or reconfiguring anything.

And if you only have one physical drive, you need
to have somewhere to write that image file as well.


Not anymore with decent modern hard drives. Thats really only
necessary if the drive is very marginal for raw video capture.


Thats not necessary at all on the separate physical drive.
In fact with many systems, 3 drives all jammed up against
each other in the 3.5" drive bay stack can see the drives
get stinking hot, much hotter than a single drive that has
plenty of airspace around it would get, or two drives with
a free slot between them would get.

And if you have two cdrom drives, say burner
and a DVD, you've got a problem with many
motherboards that only support 4 IDE drives too.



Hair splitting. Thats near enough.



So there was no reason for the original question.



Only in the sense that since you're restoring the partition where
the apps are stored, that needs to be done in the same way as
when restoring the boot partition if you have separate partitions
for the OS and the apps. That has to be done when booted from
the distribution CD just like it has to be when you are restoring
a single partition that has both the OS and apps in it.


It can. You just have to do that when booted from the distribution CD.


Basically all the other partitions which just have data etc in them.


Yes, thats why the restore using the booted distribution CD is provided.

XP itself has the same approach. Some stuff can only be
done after booting the distribution CD. For the same reason.


Yeah, image restores can bite you on the bum
rather spectacularly. So can any backup restore.

 

[Rosie]

A simple reality check with the separate application partition theorem shows
that it does nothing except save space on the boot partition.

Sorry Dave, I'm not convinced that I need OS & programs together. My
problem then.

Is boot
partition space a problem? No.
If not, deinstall and reinstall the apps to the
default location. If there is a space problem, reorient space on all
partitions to accomodate a bigger boot partition, or get a bigger hard
drive, then deinstall and reinstall apps to their default locations. Or, as
suggested by another, boot from the DI CD and do backups from there. Or,
network to another computer, give rights to the app partition access, and
backup from the other computer.
Dave

Looks like more work than I need!

Thanks for your input Dave, I guess I'll stick with my way, as I can't
really see any benefit in having OS & programs on one partition, I find
it is so much easier to image C: if I haven't added any programs, I
don't need to image D: as often. And, the bigger the C: image the more
space I need to store it, almost too much for 1 DVD.
Each to his own I guess!